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#### mogul397

##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #15 on: June 15, 2016, 09:48:35 PM »
Hello.... reply 3 has trng files and i do all my testing with True random generated numbers based upon noise. ..
1 and 2 stand for red and black...
Sorry for The short reply i write from my phone....
Cheers

OK, well beretta28 also doesn't get or see what you mean.......

What you need to do is take a list of ACTUAL results, one by one, and
go down the result list. One by one "red, red, black" or whatever it is.

I can provide you with results if you don't have any.

The, one by one, compile the results into the list or matrix that you have.
When you are doing it EXPLAIN the matrix and what it means. And why.

Then, when you come up with a pick for the next spin bet, mention what
your selection is. Make the bet and say how much you are betting. Log
the result. Win or loss.

Go through enough of the data list to compile a good example and
explanation of how your idea works.  If you are skipping spins, or whatever.

Then, at the end, show how many units you won or lost.

Pretend we are all actually at a roulette wheel, and you are explaining how
to play.

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#### mogul397

##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #16 on: June 15, 2016, 09:51:11 PM »
Hello.... reply 3 has trng files and i do all my testing with True random generated numbers based upon noise. ..
1 and 2 stand for red and black...
Sorry for The short reply i write from my phone....
Cheers

We care more about what bet decisions you are making based on
whatever you base it on, than if it is from chaos or whatever.
Show us that it can and does work with a "monkey simple" example
of plays based on the data. Describe the matrix you are creating.
Not the theory behind it.  We'll get to that once we understand
what you're talking about.

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#### mogul397

##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #17 on: June 16, 2016, 02:17:54 AM »
Feel strange i have to rewrite everything to answear you questions.

1) If you get three doubbels in a row in any comination, then is the same thing as getting one repeat with the principal of 1/3. With principal of 1/3 you Group patterns into Three RRB BRB BRR so a repeat would look like this RBB RBB.
Now if you list them then you get following results.
RBB
RBB
If you look at them vertical you see you have Three doubbles RR BB BB
So if you take the random flow or distribution and bet against the doubbles and they finaly end with one répeat you win between does gaps.
When each random flow end or when each random sequense end with repeat based upon this principal i call that "end play".

You can extand it to Three, four, five or six or how many you want.
Take example Three.
RBR
RBR
RBR
As you can see you bet against Three in a row and everything between is winnings.
Until the random flow or distribution end with Three repeats.
First option take two bets and the other option four bets.

2) When to bet, the entering Point i use with the win/loss schema above was as follow.
a - You wait for a random sequense to end with a repeat, then you attack once.
If you lose you have two repeats follow each other and you stop betting until a ficitve win and start over, should you lose again, then you have doubble repeats twice falling back to back which is very rare, this way you avoid long losing sequenses.
b - If you win you wait for the sequense to end with a repeat and attack once again once.
So for each win or break even you wait for the sequense to end Before a new attack.

If four loses in a row you can start a new session attack, it would be rare to lose one session and even more rare to lose two sessions attack twice.
But it would not be any time for two session attack during one full day in the casino.
You get around 10 to 15 trails after all triggers and skips to reduce variance and fluctation.

Here is a coupel of days play using this method where we did not lose any session.

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I may understand what you are saying a bit more than I though.
Maybe.

1) So for you to have a qualifying time to bet, do you have to reconstruct that
matrix over and over just to get one bet?

2) If you get a bet, is it just a single bet, or how many bets is it?

3) It is flat betting? If so, then what ends a "session"?  If it is a win,
then how do you know if you have a profit, or just an end of a session?

4) How does all this factor into your list of wins and losses? How/when did they
occur?  And what money were you betting?

#### Sputnik

##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #18 on: June 16, 2016, 08:23:43 AM »

I alredy explain and this made me Think that maybe is a bad idea sharing when you can not get understood. So you might forget about this method as i will from now not sharing so much.
This is not the first time this happens.

Cheers

#### Sheridan44

##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #19 on: June 16, 2016, 10:55:55 AM »
No Sput......Don't hold back.

I can understand you just fine......If I have a question - I ask, and I usually get an answer.

We need your talent, your a valuable forum member. I know that you've taught me several things in your posts, and they have helped me ( ...and I think many of us... ) a lot.

Keep those great ideas coming.......  Sher
« Last Edit: June 16, 2016, 06:43:01 PM by Sheridan44 »

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#### mogul397

##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #20 on: June 16, 2016, 12:47:56 PM »

I alredy explain and this made me Think that maybe is a bad idea sharing when you can not get understood. So you might forget about this method as i will from now not sharing so much.
This is not the first time this happens.

Cheers

That's not what I meant. I think you have a language barrier. Aside from that
from the practical side, I asked several specific questions in the earlier email.

Quite direct questions.

And the reason I came back today, other than to see your answer was that
I can quickly see that, apparently, you made 9 units betting 70 spins. That is
what I get from your WL list. The odd thing is that it took 2 days. That means,

1) It was a B&M wheel and slow or

2) What I asked about waiting for a specific group of 3 red, or other combinations
that you show in your explanation. I do not see that actually said, and

a) Wonder if that is the case or
b) If it isn't the case, can you show examples of random results and how
it plays.

Not sure why you can't demonstrate play examples of your method. Surely
you would have to create them, spin by spin, if you were sitting at some
wheel.

#### mogul397

##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #21 on: June 16, 2016, 12:49:33 PM »
Then, of course, there's "spins", who requires a \$2550
bank to chase a 4 step EC progression.

Might be using purple chips. But he also doesn't respond.

#### Sputnik

##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #22 on: June 16, 2016, 02:40:45 PM »
The original idea is to reduce loses and win within four attempts.
Try to achive that with 20 or 40 or 60 times in a row within four attempts.

Then if we succed we can win big Money.
Reason i search for this kind of bet, no matter how slow, is because then you have a game plan when travel aboard to pay for ticket, hotel, food.

Take this sample for example.

TRNG 2016 05 09

WLWLL you charting the Wheel and the sequense end with two loses, next attack once
LWLWWLWLWLWLWLWLWWLL we win and the sequense end with two loses, next attack once
WWLL we win and the sequense end with two loses, next attack once
WWLL we win and the sequense end with two loses, next attack once
LWWWWWLL we win and the sequense end with two loses, next attack once
WWLL we win and the sequense end with two loses, next attack once
WLWLWLWWLWLL we win and the sequense end with two loses, next attack once
LWWWWWLWLL we win and the sequense end with two loses, next attack once
LL we lose and we wait for a fictive win and start over
LWWWLL fictive win
WWLL we win and the sequense end with two loses, next attack once
LWWLW we win and the sequense end with two loses, next attack once

So the result of one day would be the following...
LWWWLWWWLWLLWLW
Now if you can get does LW-Registry Three or four Days in a row you can make 1 to 2K risking very Little Money from the beginning.

I show this method which i like very much and are one among does reason i look for tight LW-Registry.
Credits goes to the baccarat player John also member at different gambling forums with different names.

Same method but different selection.

Lets throw in the sales pitch.

How to turn £75 into £5250 or \$150 (for those across the ditch into over \$10,000) for approx 28 hours of table action. Sound interesting?
YES, you do need a certain element of luck.
Now we know you can't expect to be lucky all the time. You only need to be lucky for two hours. Yes TWO LOUSY HOURS from the on-set, you may not make it all the way, but it won't cost you anything either.

While people do not see eye to eye regarding bet selection, really it is a defensive mechanism, they need to convince themselves more than anybody else. In essence bet selection is a lottery. Each bet is a 50/50 bet, what happens after X is a lottery. No worries 'bout what you think, this can also suit your mindset.

Let's revisit a set of 4 column binary tables;

-BBBB
-PBBB
-BPBB
-PPBB
-BBPB
-PBPB
-BPPB
-PPPB
-BBBP
-PBBP
-BPBP
-PPBP
-BBPP
-PBPP
-BPPP
-PPPP

Note I have numbered all possible outcomes. Your aim using a 4 step martingale is to play 10 columns per day, less than ONE SHOE per day maximum and to avoid any 4 column loss.
For those that the progression Martingale leaves a bad taste, bear in mind, the total risk is the initial £75 or \$150, if you can't afford to risk that amount, then read no further, or remind yourself of the 5 g's or 10k plus potential..

Your aim is to make 10 units per day (maybe 11 if you want to cater for the tax, or maybe you might choose to wear that small cost), not a dime more. Your aim is to repeat this for 7 days straight, remember, your exposure is minimum as you will not play more than 40 or 44 hands any one day.

Any 4 column loss and you quit.
You need to avoid any 4 column loss for the first TWO DAYS ONLY, >> less than one shoe per day <<
Should you lose 4 hands on the bounce on the third day, you will still be in profit.
Should you manage to not lose for SEVEN days, on the second week, you double your unit size, should you lose when you double your unit size, you are still in profit. Again repeat the exercise for the next seven days.

NOTE* you can withstand two losses per week and still remain in profit, this excludes the first two days. Your odds of losing 4 bets in a row is less than 6%, which means your odds of winning a bet in any four bet sequence is just over 93%.

Should you manage to avoid any 4 column loss during the second week, again you double your unit value from £10 or \$20, should you lose on day 15, you are still in profit. You just lost £300 but made £700 the previous week, how you determine the stake level for tomorrow is up to you, either drop down or press on, you can withstand 2 losing days per week.
If you have made it this far and only played 10 or 11 (due to tax) columns of 4 for the last 21 days and avoided defeat you double your betting amount for the final time.

NOTE* thus far this whole exercise has been SELF FUNDING.
Should you manage to avoid losing 4 in a row for the final week, you have just turned your initial stake of £75 into £5250 for approx 28 hours of table play, or \$150 into over \$10000, that's about 4 days work.

Week 1 - goal target £50 daily, weekly goal £350 - risk £75
Week 2 - goal target £100 daily, weekly goal £700 - risk £150
Week 3 - goal target £200 daily, weekly goal £1400 - risk £300
Week 4 - goal target £400 daily, weekly goal £2800 - risk £600

Maximum Total profit should you avoid 4L within 28 hours is £5250 less tax or for US based players over ten thousand dollars for a \$150 stake. Other than the initial stake, IT IS SELF FUNDING.
Now take a deserved break and start again from the bottom. Does what you are currently playing carry a risk? Well so does this, so in this respect things are equal.

The risk is limited to £75 or \$150, the rewards are greater than what you would ordinarily hope for given the amount of bankroll. If 100 players tried this, not all would be lucky, some would be. All that matters is surviving the first two days.

OK - the bet selection;
It really doesn't matter, either mathematically or logically.
If you believe in trending, then wait for one column of four and use the bet selection SAME. If you don't believe in trending maybe use the bet selection OPPOSITE. Random is probably the best.
If you don't care either way, maybe choose any one of the above 16 options and stick with it. Mathematically each sequence is suppose to occur once every 60 hands, be aware it doesn't always work out like this.
Maybe put the numbers I have associated with the 4 column options into a hat to determine your bet selection, it really doesn't matter. Perhaps omit the numbers 6 and 11 as these are the most common options for any 4 hand sequence. Don't lose sight of the total risk £75 or \$150 and the potential reward.
Perhaps play each sequence in numerical order, that is bet option 1 followed by option 2 then option 3 etc. Logically it doesn't make any difference.
Should you lose for example on your fourth column, then that is it for that day, come back tomorrow and restart. You need SEVEN clear days of 10 units profit before doubling your playing stake.
The risk is carried for the first two days only, after that it is >> SELF FUNDING.

You could increase the risk and odds of not losing, by using a 5 column approach. You now have a 96% chance of scoring a win, however you would need to adjust you daily win target to 20 units, and would be playing that a particular 5 hand sequence from 32 possible sequences doesn't hit you for 20 columns..
\$150 into over 10 "large" for 4 days effort!!!!!

Should this approach fail inside of the first two day, you would need to win 15 times just to get back to even. Then win another 10 times to progress from first base.
If you had a bankroll greater than £75 or \$150 you might want to use the balance to construct recovery option for the first two days only.
Say you lost 15 units before you make 10 units. You then use the rest of your bankroll to recoup then continue where you left off. Few ways to do this, either use another martingale on top (lots of risk), or double your playing stake and use a Labby to win say 8 units, or possibly a Fibonacci, again to win either 15 units or 8 units if you doubled your initial stake size.

Nothing stopping somebody from playing two sessions per day, then you might achieve your goal in two weeks. Give yourself a decent break in between sessions. Yes I have explored this and I have found associating a numeric value to each of the possible outcomes of a Binary chart, as outlined above playing them simply in order 1,2,3,4 etc. faired best [random versus random]. You are either going to win or lose, the initial stake is not that great.

If you decided to play the options sequentially, option 1 is BBBB, you need to decide if you will bet the same as BBBB or the opposite of BBBB, which of course would be would be PPPP, It all works out the same, you're playing with of 15/1 odds no matter what.

Yes IT WILL lose eventually, will you be at the table when it does? Your nemesis has to catch you when you are playing, one of the reasons I state, play less than ONE SHOE per day.
Hence the reason make 10 units then bail. It can even lose when you are at the table, however it is the first 2 days which are crucial, after that, so long as you don't get back to back losing days you will be OK, again hence the reason to limit your exposure.

It really doesn't matter how you determine your bet selection. £5k or \$10k for 28 hours graft, minimal risk "\$150", cheaper than a few weeks worth of lottery tickets and better odds.
Don't try and fast track this, by betting every hand, I would suggest that if anybody used other modes of play, that involves betting every hand, it wouldn't work. Losing 4 bets in a row when betting every hand is a whole lot easier than losing 4 bets for any given predetermined column sequence of bets.

The aim is to TRY and turn 75 quid or 150 bucks into £5 bricks or \$10 large for 28 hours at the tables. As I stated above, it doesn't really matter if you lose the 3rd day, 2nd stage, 3rd or even the 4th stage, you are STILL IN PROFIT. You need to be lucky for the first two days only, otherwise it is SELF FUNDING. Lose 4 bets in a row and you are done for the day, better for your composure.
Survive for a month and restart. Want to decrease the odds of losing?, Increase the risk..

Disclaimer - Gambling can be a risky business, only gamble with what you can afford to lose.

Cheers
« Last Edit: June 16, 2016, 03:14:33 PM by Sputnik »

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#### Sputnik

##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #23 on: June 16, 2016, 03:13:48 PM »
The reason or conclusion is same as Holloway, when wins chops you play for them to conintue.
This within cycles or sequential betting.
Then if you lose you restart after a fictive win.
That way you avoid straight loses and go into territiorum where things has to fall back to back.
In this case you have to lose 4 times with the odds 1 in 8

Cheers

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#### mogul397

##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #24 on: June 17, 2016, 11:57:28 AM »
You're the 2nd best!!!!!

(I'm "the best")

But you ARE "the man". (And possibly "the big guy")

#### Bayes

##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #25 on: June 17, 2016, 03:52:44 PM »
@ Sputnik,

I know you've posted this method a few times on various forums but to be honest I've only just realized it's very similar to the way I play (kind of random against random on the EC's).

I still don't quite understand what you mean by "waves", but I get the main idea. Thanks.

I'll post up my method over the weekend sometime.

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##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #26 on: June 17, 2016, 05:35:35 PM »
Bet after 4 ec's = Gambler's fallacy nonsense.

#### Reyth

##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #27 on: June 17, 2016, 07:38:09 PM »

So sorry, the evidence is in! *\ /*

Put a range of 3 on it and its over 99%!

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##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #28 on: June 17, 2016, 07:58:53 PM »
No, sorry.  Here are more results that prove that it definitely won't work.

#### Reyth

##### Re: bet after 4 ec's
« Reply #29 on: June 18, 2016, 01:28:44 AM »
That's exactly our point!  The numbers DON'T EVER work out the way you have them displayed there; they ALWAYS work out like this:

Just ask ACTUAL HERO GAMBLERS like Harry J and Pales!

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