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DrTalos

Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #45 on: January 26, 2016, 12:11:47 AM »
Sorry Jefra I do not speak that language. I can say Hvala, dobre Jutro (I am not sure is even right this) and few more words.
  I do not play even chances.
 

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Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #46 on: January 31, 2016, 04:49:41 AM »
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However this time you are talking about Richard Farrow and if you knew Ric like I do you wouldn't make such comments...-Blue Angel

Your friend is bloviating and setting up a new scam on the bet selection forum.

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OK, anyone that has followed my usual gibberish for the past month knows that I discovered something suggested by Spike as much as 4 to 7 years ago. I mentioned it as a secret trigger here just a while ago. It sort is a trigger. It's not perfect. But it kicks butt a lot of times. Like anything in randomness, you have to adjust to the flow. No, I won't tell my secret. I'm sticking to Spike's mantra, "never wise up a sucker." I think of it this way, never wise up someone who not only has not paid their dues but that would wreck the game of Roulette if they acquired this information without earning it. We all know what Thorp did for 21. Spike's not talking. I'm not talking. Just let it be known, there are ways to take advantage of randomness. One day we will be RAP, Randomness Advantage players.

Ludicrous foolish nonsense.  I hope nobody is dumb enough to send him an offer via PM or email.
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Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #47 on: January 31, 2016, 06:40:03 AM »
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Your friend is bloviating and setting up a new scam on the bet selection forum.

Rich is not my friend, thanks for the information anyway.
 

Frequency

Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #48 on: April 08, 2018, 02:03:39 AM »
If we create a one number progression which gives us only 1 unit profit when hit, the debt will be very low:

1 unit = 1USD  0,01 = 1cent

Bet          Debt  Profit pivotal hit.
0,03        -0,03  +1,05         
0,03        -0,06  +1,02
0,03        -0,09  +0,99
0,03+DS0,01 -0,13  +1,01   (0,03 on pivotal number and 0,01 on double street which covers the pivotal number)
0,03+DS0,01 -0,17  +0,97 
0,03+ST0,01 -0,21  +0,99   
0,03+SP0,01 -0,25  +1,01   
0,03+SP0,01 -0,29  +0,97
0,04        -0,33  +1,11 
0,04        -0,37  +1,07     
0,04        -0,41  +1,03
0,04        -0,45  +0,99
0,04+DS0,01 -0,50  +1,00 
0,04+ST0,01 -0,55  +1,01
0,04+SP0,01 -0,6   +1,02   
0,04+SP0,01 -0,65  +0,97
0,05        -0,70  +1,10
0,05        -0,75  +1,05
0,05        -0,80  +1
0,05+DS0,01 -0,86  +1,0
0,05+ST0,01 -0,92  +1,0
0,05+SP0,01 -0,98  +1,0     Minimum 23 spins

If we for example hit on the split on spin 7 it remove some of the debt and gives 4 extra spins. The balance will turn to -0,07 so you go back to bet 3.

It will reach a 355 units debt already at spin 210 (minimum) so it is not as effective the progression that Talos had presented here, but it seems to be more efficient than the original one number progression which gives you a balance of -355  already at spin 104:

1x35  -35
2x18  -71
3x12  -107
4x9   -143
5x7   -178
6x6   -214
7x5   -249
8x5   -289
9x4   -325
10x3  -355  spin 104

Any ideas on how to improve this progression will be appreciated.

 

leowls

Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #49 on: April 19, 2018, 01:49:52 AM »
Better yet, how about betting the last spun number on a 10 level 35 elements progression? After every level add +1 to the progression. This way we can extend to 350 spins. The worst case scenario I encountered so far is by going into the 4th level of the progression, that is about 100 spins without the last number repeating itself.
 

leowls

Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #50 on: April 19, 2018, 04:08:13 PM »
Below results is based on the 4k live spins which i am halfway through.
This is based on betting on the last 2 spun numbers using a progression of 17 elements per level. Every new level the bet will increase by 1 (based on $1 per unit bet). The string of numbers below shows the number of times before any one of the last 2 spun numbers is hit. As you can see, if we are using a 10 level progression that can stretch to 170 spins, there is a very good chance we will always leave the casino with profits. If we cannot exploit the wheel, we must find a way to beat the variance.

30
17
24
12
1
2
18
13
3
1
1
5
6
32
10
18
54
11
9
23
22
7
23
8
2
16
14
24
3
20
23
33
29
14
11
4
11
35
2
6
22
4
24
30
1
37
10
9
21
4
42
1
6
2
11
39
26
16
41
48
21
16
27
6
23
35
15
36
4
27
8
13
20
5
24
23
72
59
30
30
11
2
3
10
2
3
8
15
4
4
9
1
7
6
37
16
8
3
5
29
25
 
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Frequency

Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #51 on: January 17, 2019, 10:19:22 PM »
I think i might have developed a one-number progression which is quite similar to the one Talos has developed.

It goes like this:

1u = 35x

1+12+12 1+1+1 -3  if -1; 18+1 1+1
1+18       1+3     -7
1+6+12   1+1+1 -10
1+6         1+2     -13
1+4+6     1+1+1 -16
1+3+6     1+1+1 -19
1+3+4     1+1+1 -22 
1+2+6     1+1+1 -25
1+2+4     1+1+1 -28
1+2+3     1+1+1 -31
1+2+3+6 1+1+1+1 -35 

x2 -105 -3u

1+12+12 2+2+2 -41
And so forth.

x4 -245 -7u

x8 -525 -15u

x16 -1085 -31u

x32 -2205 -63u

x64 -4445 -127u       

x128 -8925 -255u     

Total profit: 1426-510units (916u/32 060) The two failed sessions had a duration of 231 spins and 218 spins.

Im not quite sure if this system is profitable or not because it can go bust long before 218 spins, but it can also last 300+ spins before it reaches -255 units exposure. If its consistently has a duration of 210+ spins then it seems to be profitable. More testing is needed and ideas on improving this system will be appreciated.

 
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Third

Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #52 on: January 18, 2019, 04:15:30 AM »
Not sure I understand exactly how this system works but I like the low bankroll.
 
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Frequency

Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #53 on: January 18, 2019, 12:54:33 PM »

The bankroll is actually 8925 where the profit must be atleast +35 every time your hit your single number.
This is equivalent with 8925:35 35:35 = 255.

You start with betting 1 on two dozen and 1 on a single number that needs to be placed within these two dozens. After it misses your balance is -3 and you bet 3 on 19-36 for example and 1 on a single number within 19-36. Your balance will be either -1 when you hit 19-36, but not your chosen number or -10 if it misses the numbers 19-36. If your balance is -1 you now bet 1 on 19-36 and 1 on a single number. If its -10 you bet for example 1 on 3rd dozen, 1 on DS 31-36 and 1 on 35. So it continues until -35, then you start over with the core progression with doubled value; bet 2 on a single number and 2 on two dozen.

 
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Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #54 on: January 18, 2019, 09:51:40 PM »
Why must there be other bets along with the straight up bet?  Don't you just end up losing more money faster?  I recently encountered a session that went over 300 spins without a hit, what would that do with this system?  How do you recover when you hit the full -8925?
 
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Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #55 on: January 18, 2019, 11:18:51 PM »

The main reasons for playing other bets along with the straight up bet is that the progression will endure more spins and the
profit will constantly be atleast +35/1u. For example if were at -31 exposure and hit the split at this bet:
1+2+3+6 1+1+1+1 and our balance will be +1 and we are starting over betting 1+12+12 1+1+1.
This will give us a minimum of 11 extra spins before we reach the same amount of exposure. Had a game that endured 91 spins
before it reached -35 exposure.

Sooner or later you will encounter session that lasts 300+ spins, and then the game most likely has reached -8925 exposure.
If you consistently gain more than +8925/255u when that event occurs then it seems to be profitable. I have not developed a
recovery to this progression so you just start over when -8925 is reached, so you need some patience.

 
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Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #56 on: January 19, 2019, 04:35:53 AM »
For example if were at -31 exposure and hit the split at this bet:
1+2+3+6 1+1+1+1 and our balance will be +1 and we are starting over betting 1+12+12 1+1+1.

Sorry, I don't understand what the bolded means?
 
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Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #57 on: January 19, 2019, 01:50:55 PM »
1+2+3+6 1+1+1+1 means you bet 1 unit on a DS, street, split and a straight up number. For example 1 unit on 31-36, 1 on 31-33, 1 on 33-32 and 1 on 33. Numbers to the left display number played and to the right bet amount. A hit on a split here will turn our balance from -31 to +1, so you bet 1+12+12 (1 on 2nd and 3nd dozen and 1 on straight up number within 2nd and 3rd dozen).
 
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Rinad

Re: To all mathematician here
« Reply #58 on: January 20, 2019, 04:37:35 PM »


  I know that a whole new dimension of playing is what you are speaking of.  Frequency you will be challenge because many players will divide each propositions played on their own and said;  each one of those plays will lose over time so it cant work. but what is over looked is the timing that every proposition played have to lose at a particular time all together very close to eachother.   like as a example if you play a slot machine with 3 wheel that carry 7's on each one.  each wheel is like a individual play. so on their own when looked upon it makes no sens that they will appear enough time to make you win.  but collectively it is even harder to get those 3 -7's to line up and make you hit the "jackpot".  like in roulette one player can create multiple 7"s ,or plays that in order to bust you the timing has to be so precised that the only way to lose has to be that all of the plays are "failling at the exact or close to the same time".   like your original 2 dozens play with a medle single number play.  that is great but you can divise even more plays that demand more "anomalies" to happen in order to bust your bankroll. it is through imagination more doable then math because math only will look at each individual play as being a "losing proposition in the long run", which is true, but collectively they can create a perfect storm for the house to have to beat you with.  just think if one can come up with 5,6,7  diferent plays that would have to lose all at the same time in order to make a player to lose.  that to me is like playing a slot machine with 6 different lines that have to show all 6- jackpot sign at the same time for you to collect a million dollar bonus.  and the odds have to be so small that the house makes huge money before it can ever happen.  your thoughts are well designed on "system creation", and thanks for the post.
Rinad
 
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