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scepticus

Re: Let's talk about losing
« Reply #30 on: December 30, 2015, 07:17:01 PM »
Scep,
Sorry but I fail to see the difference.
It's not about greed,it's about if you have it or not,so simple.
If you play lot small sessions or fewer longer, whether you play for 1 unit by risking 10 or play for 10 gain by risking 100 doesn't make any difference for me.
Many before me have mentioned that playing for 1 unit profit is like fooling yourself...
You are English right?
And I thought that common sense is an English characteristic, I was wrong...!

There is no " difference" Blue Angel.As I said it is a matter of choice .I don't play for a 1 unit profit so that does not apply to me. Nor is it a matter of common sense simply a matter of choice . I choose to play this way and I profit so just how do you rate this as going against " common sense " ? I have said before that I don't care how others bet I am just  pleased that they win.
 

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Re: Let's talk about losing
« Reply #31 on: December 30, 2015, 07:24:25 PM »
Scep,
Sorry but I fail to see the difference.
It's not about greed,it's about if you have it or not,so simple.
If you play lot small sessions or fewer longer, whether you play for 1 unit by risking 10 or play for 10 gain by risking 100 doesn't make any difference for me.
Many before me have mentioned that playing for 1 unit profit is like fooling yourself...
You are English right?
And I thought that common sense is an English characteristic, I was wrong...!

There is no " difference" Blue Angel.As I said it is a matter of choice .I don't play for a 1 unit profit so that does not apply to me. Nor is it a matter of common sense simply a matter of choice . I choose to play this way and I profit so just how do you rate this as going against " common sense " ? I have said before that I don't care how others bet I am just  pleased that they win.

You are pleased with others profits??
Why? Do they pay you percentage from their profits?
Another nonsense came this way!

 

scepticus

Re: Let's talk about losing
« Reply #32 on: December 30, 2015, 07:36:23 PM »
Scep,
Sorry but I fail to see the difference.
It's not about greed,it's about if you have it or not,so simple.
If you play lot small sessions or fewer longer, whether you play for 1 unit by risking 10 or play for 10 gain by risking 100 doesn't make any difference for me.
Many before me have mentioned that playing for 1 unit profit is like fooling yourself...
You are English right?
And I thought that common sense is an English characteristic, I was wrong...!

There is no " difference" Blue Angel.As I said it is a matter of choice .I don't play for a 1 unit profit so that does not apply to me. Nor is it a matter of common sense simply a matter of choice . I choose to play this way and I profit so just how do you rate this as going against " common sense " ? I have said before that I don't care how others bet I am just  pleased that they win.

You are pleased with others profits??
Why? Do they pay you percentage from their profits?
Another nonsense came this way!

?????
No !
I am pleased that others win because it helps to PROVE that roulette is beatable .
 

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Re: Let's talk about losing
« Reply #33 on: December 30, 2015, 07:52:46 PM »
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No !I am pleased that others win because it helps to PROVE that roulette is beatable .

Another nonsense,absolute rubbish!
If and when some win it doesn't prove anything,it could be the plain ole lady luck!
Have you thought about it??
« Last Edit: December 30, 2015, 07:54:35 PM by BlueAngel »
 

Harryj

Re: Let's talk about losing
« Reply #34 on: January 01, 2016, 05:05:01 PM »
Harry,

Perhaps you can point to a system that I have criticized that actually works?

    Sorry about the delay.   My answer to your question is.   What do you mean by "actually Works"  ?

   Wins all the time
   Wins most of the time              Losing is the most important lesson. If you learn from it !!
   Wins more than it loses

 Or simply makes a profit ?        Spin by spin I lose far more often than I win. I can still make a profit.

    MOST OF US ACCEPT THAT THERE IS NO HOLY GRAIL. That losing is part of the game, but the casino advantage is not absolute. There are anomalies, flaws and little tricks we can use to twist the game our way.

    My criticism of your criticism, is that it is too dogmatic. You harp on one point with very little reasoning. To be fair your posts have been more to the point lately, but they are still unidimensionable.( I am not sure I like that word, but it does seem to express what I am trying to say ) You are like Cato , ending every speech with, " But Carthage must be destroyed !"

       As I see it ,the point of this forum is not to discourage, but to encourage !  Man never reached the 21st Century by always being right. Most important discoveries were made by people who, Thought Wrong, and ended outside the box.

 Harry
 
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scepticus

Re: Let's talk about losing
« Reply #35 on: January 04, 2016, 05:43:46 PM »
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No !I am pleased that others win because it helps to PROVE that roulette is beatable .

Another nonsense,absolute rubbish!
If and when some win it doesn't prove anything,it could be the plain ole lady luck!
Have you thought about it??

???
Winning IS proof that roulette is beatable.
Whether by accident or design may be debatable but how else can you show that roulette IS beatable except by showing a profit? So, when you win that is not down to your skill ( ? ) but Lady Luck ?
 

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Re: Let's talk about losing
« Reply #36 on: January 04, 2016, 06:35:36 PM »
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No !I am pleased that others win because it helps to PROVE that roulette is beatable .

Another nonsense,absolute rubbish!
If and when some win it doesn't prove anything,it could be the plain ole lady luck!
Have you thought about it??

 ???
Winning IS proof that roulette is beatable.
Whether by accident or design may be debatable but how else can you show that roulette IS beatable except by showing a profit? So, when you win that is not down to your skill ( ? ) but Lady Luck ?

Actually is the only objective criterion (profit-loss=balance) and probably you have heard that something which could be replicated plenty of times cannot be by accident...

However,in every rule there is an exception and in this case its name is Marti...
You see gamblers like Dobelsteen think that by betting with martingale progression requires some special skill in order to win,but this is far from truth,even a kid could bet a martingale progression if allowed inside the casino.
Many frequent wins for the martingalers but just one or two losses could be catastrophic and this is what happens in most of the cases.
Another absurd notion was that the zero (in French roulette) is advantage for the player, when you lose half instead of whole bet doesn't make it advantage, you are still losing.
My goal is to win, no to lose less, besides these rules (le partage & en prison) are not our invention to repeat over and over that the zero is advantage for the player!:-)hahaha
Like I said before, 'test of ruin' is the only objective criterion for any kind of system/strategy, because reflects the relationship between risk and reward.
I've seen so much crap around this forum and my eyes start hurting!
I need to take a break and clear my mind.

Happy new year Scep!:-)
 

scepticus

Re: Let's talk about losing
« Reply #37 on: January 04, 2016, 07:14:02 PM »
and a HAPPY NEW YEAR to you, too, Blue Angel.
I agree that Dobbelsteen is mistaken in saying that le Partage is an advantage. His command of English is imperfect , though, and I think what he meant to say was that it was a " benefit" .
 Where he is right , though, is when he says that bettors should employ HIGH/LOW when betting two adjacent dozens - such as 1 and 2 .
 I also think he overstates the case for progressions. These can be a help if coupled with a strategy but still contain the danger of a long losing run. 
That said, it is his money and entitled to bet as he wishes and I , for one, wish him luck. He is a braver man than I am !
 

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Re: Let's talk about losing
« Reply #38 on: January 04, 2016, 07:39:38 PM »
and a HAPPY NEW YEAR to you, too, Blue Angel.
I agree that Dobbelsteen is mistaken in saying that le Partage is an advantage. His command of English is imperfect , though, and I think what he meant to say was that it was a " benefit" .
 Where he is right , though, is when he says that bettors should employ HIGH/LOW when betting two adjacent dozens - such as 1 and 2 .
 I also think he overstates the case for progressions. These can be a help if coupled with a strategy but still contain the danger of a long losing run. 
That said, it is his money and entitled to bet as he wishes and I , for one, wish him luck. He is a braver man than I am !

There is a tiny line between the brave and the fool...

By the way, betting 2 dozens is not like betting high or low, I thought I would never have to define elementary facts.

Strategy like:wait for 5 consecutive...(place your EC here) and then start betting with martingale progression??
If this is what you call strategy some others call it gamblers' fallacy.

Of course, he could burn his beautyfull money if he like!:-)

« Last Edit: January 04, 2016, 07:41:42 PM by BlueAngel »
 

scepticus

Re: Let's talk about losing
« Reply #39 on: January 05, 2016, 06:23:10 AM »
I wasn't advocating copying Dobbel's method just saying that he - or anyone else is entitled to bet whatever he wants to bet.
I thought I had made it plain that I am unconvinced by progressions but if others prefer to do that then they have that right.
You miss the point about betting the High/Low .
If betting two adjacent dozens -1 and 2 then it is  definitely preferable to bet 3 units on the LOW and 1 unit on the DS 19-24
and if betting dozens  2 and 3 then it is  definitely preferable to bet 3 units on the  HIGH EC and 1 unit on the DS 13-18
Dobbelsteen is not quite the fool you seem to think he is - and I am not a fan of his.
 

Harryj

Re: Let's talk about losing
« Reply #40 on: January 05, 2016, 09:29:52 AM »
 
    Partage is definitely an advantage for Dobbel. His progression treats zero as a loss. Therefore any money returned to him by the Partage law is FREE profit, and goes straight to the bottom line.

    Harry
 
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Re: Let's talk about losing
« Reply #41 on: January 05, 2016, 10:01:12 AM »
I wasn't advocating copying Dobbel's method just saying that he - or anyone else is entitled to bet whatever he wants to bet.
I thought I had made it plain that I am unconvinced by progressions but if others prefer to do that then they have that right.
You miss the point about betting the High/Low .
If betting two adjacent dozens -1 and 2 then it is  definitely preferable to bet 3 units on the LOW and 1 unit on the DS 19-24
and if betting dozens  2 and 3 then it is  definitely preferable to bet 3 units on the  HIGH EC and 1 unit on the DS 13-18
Dobbelsteen is not quite the fool you seem to think he is - and I am not a fan of his.

Sorry but I fail to see the advantage of betting high and the line 13 to 18 instead of betting the dozens 2 & 3, it's EXACTLY the same thing because in both cases you are covering 24 numbers,in case of loss your bankroll is being depleted by 4 units (2+2 or 3+1),in case of win you gain 2 units.
Where is the advantage??
As for you Harry who continue to advocate the stupidity of ''le partage'' as great discovery, you may put in your bottom line as many half loses as you want,will not make you winner!
I don't know about you but I have not abandoned reason yet!
Get a lot of half loses and eventually you will become winner! Congratulation for discovering the casino rules!
You people are so clever!
 

Harryj

Re: Let's talk about losing
« Reply #42 on: January 05, 2016, 03:58:20 PM »
I wasn't advocating copying Dobbel's method just saying that he - or anyone else is entitled to bet whatever he wants to bet.
I thought I had made it plain that I am unconvinced by progressions but if others prefer to do that then they have that right.
You miss the point about betting the High/Low .
If betting two adjacent dozens -1 and 2 then it is  definitely preferable to bet 3 units on the LOW and 1 unit on the DS 19-24
and if betting dozens  2 and 3 then it is  definitely preferable to bet 3 units on the  HIGH EC and 1 unit on the DS 13-18
Dobbelsteen is not quite the fool you seem to think he is - and I am not a fan of his.

Sorry but I fail to see the advantage of betting high and the line 13 to 18 instead of betting the dozens 2 & 3, it's EXACTLY the same thing because in both cases you are covering 24 numbers,in case of loss your bankroll is being depleted by 4 units (2+2 or 3+1),in case of win you gain 2 units.
Where is the advantage??
As for you Harry who continue to advocate the stupidity of ''le partage'' as great discovery, you may put in your bottom line as many half loses as you want,will not make you winner!
I don't know about you but I have not abandoned reason yet!
Get a lot of half loses and eventually you will become winner! Congratulation for discovering the casino rules!
You people are so clever!

   I thought you were a roulette player. Sorry my mistake.

   Why don't you get Kav or Jim to explain it to you. Then it will be all Greek to you !

    Harry
 

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Re: Let's talk about losing
« Reply #43 on: January 05, 2016, 05:23:54 PM »

''I thought you were a roulette player. Sorry my mistake.

   Why don't you get Kav or Jim to explain it to you. Then it will be all Greek to you !

    Harry''

Harry,
I know very well who I'm and I don't expect you or anyone else to let me know who I'm.

Why everyone has to agree with you??
When someone like me has a different view,then he is wrong according to you.
Let's make some elementary calculations:

(-0.5)+(-0.5)+(-0.5)+(-0.5)+(-0.5)+(-0.5)= -3

Harry you are so right,I've never seen in roulette greater advantage than this one!:-D

By the way I can speak English almost fluently, but can YOU speak a second language other than your native??
I'm not expecting you to know Greek,but in general I doubt if you know anything else than your native language.

They say ignorance is bliss and in your case suits you fine!
« Last Edit: January 05, 2016, 05:26:56 PM by BlueAngel »
 

Reyth

Re: Let's talk about losing
« Reply #44 on: January 05, 2016, 06:16:59 PM »
Well be careful, Harry dwells in SA and multiple languages are likely...