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Everything or nothing??
« on: December 23, 2015, 02:32:27 AM »
I made this topic because I would really love to hear your opinions about the following:

If you had to bet one of the two following options, which would be your selection??

1) Flat bet the same number
a) Till it hits
b) For 111 spins

2) Flat bet different number on each and every spin
a) Till first win
b) For 111 spins

As you see each of the two main options has two alternatives, the important thing here is to listen the reasoning behind a selection.

If you believe (like I do) that the key to victory is a matter of selection and secondly matter of amounts, then you realize the importance of WHY this instead of the other.

Please justify your answer, your selection, because without reasoning has little to no value.

All numbers from 0 up to 36 add up to 666, the square root of 666 is approximately 25.81
Since there are no decimals in roulette, number 26 is closer to the square root.
The position of 26 is next to 0, if you consider 666 as "evil",then the root of all evil is 26.
Root could be interpret as the beginning,the originator,also 0 confirms this because it's the begin of all negative and positive numbers.

Now what do all these mean in practical terms, if for example someone would bet number 26 only,he/she would realize (sooner or later) that it doesn't have better probability from the rest of the numbers.
But of course this doesn't say everything because you have to consider it in a metaphorical sense...

scepticus

Re: Everything or nothing??
« Reply #1 on: December 23, 2015, 03:01:10 AM »
TWO options are TOO few for me to give a reasoned answer BA.

Reyth

Re: Everything or nothing??
« Reply #2 on: December 23, 2015, 03:07:19 AM »
1) Cutting your losses makes sense here as it can go yet still over 300 additional spins and a more recent number is more likely to occur (in my opinion).

2) Keep betting till it hits.  At least the numbers won't be continuously stale.

I refuse to flat bet so I don't endorse this as a viable system or anything.

dobbelsteen

Re: Everything or nothing??
« Reply #3 on: December 23, 2015, 10:21:51 AM »
Any wager start on a number has the risk to wager a cold number There are nearly Always 4 numbers that has not fallen for more than 100 spins.Flat betting on a single chance is very dull.
lll do you mean 3 samples of 37 spins??

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Re: Everything or nothing??
« Reply #4 on: December 23, 2015, 01:23:28 PM »
Any wager start on a number has the risk to wager a cold number There are nearly Always 4 numbers that has not fallen for more than 100 spins.Flat betting on a single chance is very dull.
lll do you mean 3 samples of 37 spins??

Yes,I agree.

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Re: Everything or nothing??
« Reply #5 on: December 29, 2015, 01:31:34 PM »

What was the original purpose of Blaise Pascal when he invented roulette?

Was just an experiment in an effort to create a mechanism with perpetual motion?

If that was the case then why he placed numbers on the circumference of the wheel?
He could just make the same wheel without numbers and still being moved, right?

Why the roulette numbers are from 0 to 36 and not a round number like 50?
Why those numbers have randomly placed around the wheel and not with their arithmetic sequence (0,1,2,3...)?

If you really want to master the game then you must think like Blaise Pascal.
I strongly believe that if Blaise was here with us today, he would be the greatest roulette player of all time.
Who knows better this game than its inventor!

Does a method must be appealing to your reasoning?
How important is something to apply to your logic?

Do results follow a certain logic?
What's more important, results or reason which makes sense?
If you cannot have both in one pack, what would you select?

If you want to follow sensible options, then perhaps you should reconsider because regarding the science of mathematics we are all losers before we even step in the front door!

What all these mean in practical terms? Everything or nothing?
The answer and choice is yours.

Reyth

Re: Everything or nothing??
« Reply #6 on: December 29, 2015, 05:19:06 PM »
I think like you say, everything comes down to the law of the third & sd.

rotaman

Re: Everything or nothing??
« Reply #7 on: December 30, 2015, 01:52:55 PM »
2) Flat bet different number on each and every spin

Do you mean bet each number 0-36 on successive spins and then start over when you get to 36?

Whether you choose 1) or 2) there is no difference logically speaking and should be no difference in final statistics.

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Re: Everything or nothing??
« Reply #8 on: December 30, 2015, 02:11:49 PM »
If the wheel is spinning the same direction at each spin, bet on the last number to have hit.  Simulated over zillions of live spins this ever so slightly does appear to reduce to the house edge. The reason has to do with wheel bias and dealing procedures.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2015, 02:14:32 PM by Real »

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Re: Everything or nothing??
« Reply #9 on: December 30, 2015, 02:34:00 PM »
If the wheel is spinning the same direction at each spin, bet on the last number to have hit.  Simulated over zillions of live spins this ever so slightly does appear to reduce to the house edge. The reason has to do with wheel bias and dealing procedures.

Have you ever thought that what you consider bias could happen even on leveled wheels...??
Some sectors and/or numbers are hitting more anyway, it doesn't have to exist a physical flaw to make this happen.
But you prefer to perceive it this way in order to consider yourself superior to the rest.
Perhaps it's time to open your eyes and face the truth.

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Re: Everything or nothing??
« Reply #10 on: December 30, 2015, 02:37:27 PM »
Blue Angel,

What makes you think that I'm not fully aware of wheel bias?  When it comes to that subject I can certainly take you to school. I have one of the largest archives of biased wheel data in the world, if not the largest.  I've made one hell of a living off of it for many years.   By the way, a wheel doesn't have to be off level to have a number biased.
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Re: Everything or nothing??
« Reply #11 on: December 30, 2015, 02:49:35 PM »
Blue Angel,

What makes you think that I'm not fully aware of wheel bias?  When it comes to that subject I can certainly take you to school. I have one of the largest archives of biased wheel data in the world, if not the largest.  I've made one hell of a living off of it for many years.   By the way, a wheel doesn't have to be off level to have a number biased.

So what's the point for looking into the technical part when this has be proven time and time again statistically?!
What matters is that it HAPPENS not why happens.
What I want to know is HOW I can expose this FACT, not to explain why.
It seems to me that you took the loooong way around instead of the shortcut...!

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Re: Everything or nothing??
« Reply #12 on: December 30, 2015, 02:51:11 PM »
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It seems to me that you took the loooong way around instead of the shortcut...!

I did?  How do you figure?

Simply betting the last number to have hit isn't enough to consistently win.  True, on some wheels it actually is, but it's pretty if'y.

When a wheel is biased there are far better ways to play it than just betting the last number to have hit.
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Re: Everything or nothing??
« Reply #13 on: December 30, 2015, 03:00:37 PM »
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It seems to me that you took the loooong way around instead of the shortcut...!

I did?  How do you figure?

Simply betting the last number to have hit isn't enough to consistently win.  True, on some wheels it actually is, but it's pretty if'y.

When a wheel is biased there are far better ways to play it than just betting the last number to have hit.

For example the last five numbers?
Skepticus was right about you...

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Re: Everything or nothing??
« Reply #14 on: December 30, 2015, 03:07:32 PM »
No, not the last five numbers.  That will reduce the house edge, but it's not usually enough to overcome it.

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Skepticus was right about you..

Good.
« Last Edit: December 30, 2015, 03:09:12 PM by Real »