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#### Maes

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##### How much time between roulette spins?
« on: June 11, 2015, 09:58:29 PM »
How long does it take to spin 100 times in to a BM casino (average) ?

« Last Edit: June 16, 2015, 03:30:23 PM by kav »

#### kav

##### How much time between roulette spins?
« Reply #1 on: June 11, 2015, 10:43:35 PM »
Great question,

We must first determine the time between spins.
The time needed for each spin, depends heavily on roulette table activity and dealer style. If the table has many active players, it takes more time for them to bet and then it takes more time for the dealer to pay them off. Some dealers wait a long time for players to lay their bets, while others wait less.
I would say that in a very low activity table each spin can take less than 3 minutes, while in a high activity, very busy roulette table it can take more than 6 minutes between two spins.

Let's say that  in a "medium" table a spin takes (very roughly) around 4 minutes. This means that it takes around 400 minutes, or more than 6,5 hours to see 100 spins.
« Last Edit: June 16, 2015, 03:31:27 PM by kav »

#### scepticus

##### How much time between roulette spins?
« Reply #2 on: June 11, 2015, 11:42:45 PM »
When I used to sit at a table for 100 / 111 spins the time spent was between 3 and 3 1/2 hours.
I used to keep the cards and marked  both the starting time and finishing time .
« Last Edit: June 16, 2015, 03:30:37 PM by kav »

#### Reyth

##### Re: Question
« Reply #3 on: June 12, 2015, 01:42:26 AM »
Btw, I might be slightly off topic but I want to be sure I remember this:  Since B&M casinos spin relatively slowly compared to online casinos where the spins are non-stop and instant (non-live dealer), couldn't this factor in to the opinion that some people have that they lose more online than at B&M casinos?

#### scepticus

##### Re: Question
« Reply #4 on: June 12, 2015, 02:39:15 AM »
I think that the answer to that, Reyth ,  is Yes so we could be talking about two different scenarios.

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##### How much time between roulette spins?
« Reply #5 on: June 15, 2015, 08:30:07 PM »
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How long does it take to spin 100 times in to a BM casino (average) ?

In the US some casinos will average 45 spins per hour.  Others will be as slow as 25 on a busy night.
If the casino has the auto chip mucking machines then the speeds tend to be closer to 40 to 45 spins per hour.
Casinos owned by Harrah's tend to run the games slower, at about 20 to 35 spins per hour.

In short, it will take about three hours to see 100 spins.

-Real
« Last Edit: June 16, 2015, 03:30:48 PM by kav »

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#### kav

##### Re: Question
« Reply #6 on: June 15, 2015, 10:35:37 PM »
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How long does it take to spin 100 times in to a BM casino (average) ?

In the US some casinos will average 45 spins per hour.  Others will be as slow as 25 on a busy night.
If the casino has the auto chip mucking machines then the speeds tend to be closer to 40 to 45 spins per hour.
Casinos owned by Harrah's tend to run the games slower, at about 20 to 35 spins per hour.

In short, it will take about three hours to see 100 spins.
45 spins per hour!  This is around 80 seconds between spins! Too fast according to my experience. How much time is there for betting and how much time for paying and how much for spinning the ball?

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##### How much time between roulette spins?
« Reply #7 on: June 16, 2015, 12:09:32 AM »
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45 spins per hour!  This is around 80 seconds between spins! Too fast according to my experience. How much time is there for betting and how much time for paying and how much for spinning the ball?

Then you should stick to the slower casinos.  Airball machines are even faster at typically 50 to 70 spins per hour. (Most are set at 60 plus spins per hour.)

On the live game, I like the game to be as fast as possible.  Typically you can bet up until the last five or so revs of the ball...depends on the dealer/casino though.

-Real
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#### Jesper

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« Reply #8 on: June 16, 2015, 07:36:14 AM »
BM use to be slower in Europe than America. If the dealer has to do all manual (No machine to sort the chips) it can take a lot of time between spins.

It is not often I play BM. It do not suit my play. I need many spins and low value chips.
My closest casino has 5 Euro minibet on live Wheel, and 0.5 Euro on automated roulette, which
is like play on line.

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#### kav

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« Reply #9 on: June 16, 2015, 08:01:47 AM »
BM use to be slower in Europe than America.
Absolutely.

#### Harryj

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« Reply #10 on: June 16, 2015, 02:01:36 PM »
Traditional French Roulette was quite slow, about 25 spins per hour or even less. With the introduction of so called American Roulette, with fixed value table chips, the speed picked up dramatically. A busy table might average 80-90 spins per hour, and late at night when there were few players it could go up to well over 100.

It must be remembered that almost all play was on what are now called the "outside Numbers". Payouts were made by simply matching piles of chips and was very fast. When the casinos declared war on the system players and dramatically raised the minimums on EC's and Dozens, most play moved inside. It not only took longer for the players to place their bets but payouts had to be calculated and counted. The whole process slowed down. Today few tables spin much more than 30 sph, so the 3 hour calculation is correct. However if there is a lot of action Kav's estimate of around 4 mins per spin is quite likely.

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##### How much time between roulette spins?
« Reply #11 on: June 16, 2015, 02:12:41 PM »
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American Roulette, with fixed value table chips, the speed picked up dramatically. A busy table might average 80-90 spins per hour, and late at night when there were few players it could go up to well over 100.-Harry

In the US, the colored chips can be of different values as well.
Also, nobody is spinning 80 to 90 spins per hour on a busy table.  One player, head up on the outside, could get maybe 60 or 70 spins per hour if he wanted a very fast game, but dealers are too lazy to keep that kind of speed up.

100 spins per hour was a misprint/calculation on the part of Russell Barnhart in his book, "Beating the Wheel".  The book is actually quite good, but several people have mistakenly used his 100 spin per hour reference.
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#### Harryj

##### Re: How much time between roulette spins?
« Reply #12 on: June 17, 2015, 04:42:52 PM »
I have to contradict you Real. With color chips the player can specify what value is placed on his color. That fact is recorded on the rim of the wheel. I have actually had to refer to the "eye in the sky" when the dealer tried to pay  me the table minimum for my color chips. The reason for the greater speed was the fact that using the outside numbers players would place only 1 or 2 bets. thesse were paid by matching the stack which was very quick. With the new rules players made many more bets, which takes very much longer, and the winning chips had to be calculated and counted.

In his book "How To Win At Roulette" Neville Sqire states, "Playing for 3 hours at an American-type table using no value chips The player will have to deal with some 300 spins,  The number varies between 260 and 320.
The wizard of odds stated that with only a few players at the table there could be 120 spins in an hour. I agree that the modern game is much slower. You are always telling people to read the history of the game. Perhaps you should try it yourself.

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##### Re: How much time between roulette spins?
« Reply #13 on: June 17, 2015, 05:04:36 PM »

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I have to contradict you Real. With color chips the player can specify what value is placed on his color. That fact is recorded on the rim of the wheel. I have actually had to refer to the "eye in the sky" when the dealer tried to pay  me the table minimum for my color chips. The reason for the greater speed was the fact that using the outside numbers players would place only 1 or 2 bets. thesse were paid by matching the stack which was very quick. With the new rules players made many more bets, which takes very much longer, and the winning chips had to be calculated and counted.

Harry,

We have the colored chips as well.   Each color can be set to whatever the player chooses.  1,5,25,100...I've even seen them set to a \$300 value before.  I'm baffled as to how you think people are able to bet on the inside without colored chips. Where did you get the idea that we don't have them??? Some of our games even have pole dancers and women dressed in lingerie dealing. LOL

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In his book "How To Win At Roulette" Neville Sqire states, "Playing for 3 hours at an American-type table using no value chips The player will have to deal with some 300 spins,  The number varies between 260 and 320.
Neville is delusional. There's no way they're spinning 260 to 320 spins per hour.

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The wizard of odds stated that with only a few players at the table there could be 120 spins in an hour.

No.  He's wrong as well.
« Last Edit: June 17, 2015, 05:18:11 PM by Real »

#### Jesper

##### Re: How much time between roulette spins?
« Reply #14 on: June 17, 2015, 05:26:59 PM »
How is the experience from BM livecasinos here? It is a thread even discuss how fast they spin at BM
I have not visit a BM more than about 100 times in my Life.
I know the speed can be different, but seldom over 100/h. It can be as low as 30 on a FR Wheel
with all manual service, and sometimes hard to agree which bets belong to who,
Color chips are something rather new in Europe. It has been for a while, but not mandatory.

Checking a few tables, and bet on a trigger, means there  is no time to get color chips, which is valid on a specific table. We seldom "sit down" we rush at the table bet standing!

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