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Re: Talos BOOM!!!
« Reply #30 on: August 14, 2019, 02:02:57 PM »
What do you mean by you bet SU?
Straight Up numbers
Numbers bet "en plein"
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Re: Talos BOOM!!!
« Reply #31 on: August 14, 2019, 02:35:20 PM »
I recommend Aladdin's Gold.  I have found them to be trustworthy regarding number output and withdrawal of winnings.  I have successfully withdrawn multiple times and as much as $5000, with no delays or questions, even though I have withdrawn much more than I have deposited.

LOL.  I guess I should call it EP. XD
« Last Edit: August 14, 2019, 02:42:15 PM by Third »
 
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Re: Talos BOOM!!!
« Reply #32 on: August 15, 2019, 10:09:26 AM »
I can't get my head around you bet 60 numbers, what's the progression on SU?
 

Third

Re: Talos BOOM!!!
« Reply #33 on: August 15, 2019, 12:15:46 PM »
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Third

Re: Talos BOOM!!!
« Reply #34 on: August 15, 2019, 08:23:16 PM »
The numbers bet is a running count of how many numbers we have bet every spin.  The following selections have the following counts:

EC=18
DZ=12
DS=6
QD=4
ST=3
SP=2
SU=1

So every spin you take the total and add the numbers bet shown above to that total.  If we are betting a street we will add +3 for 20 times to reach 60 numbers bet.  If we are betting a split we will add +2 for 30 times to reach 60 numbers bet, etc.
« Last Edit: August 15, 2019, 08:25:11 PM by Third »
 

valvo

Re: Talos BOOM!!!
« Reply #35 on: August 17, 2019, 01:39:42 AM »
Hi Third, I sent you PM?
 
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Re: Talos BOOM!!!
« Reply #36 on: August 17, 2019, 03:32:38 AM »
I have started BOOM-ing splits for real money.  Its nice having the interaction of 2 numbers to work with and at least I have the lowest cost to numbers covered with the maximum profit to numbers spun.

This as opposed to betting 2 numbers SU/EP, which also drives up the cost.

Its an interesting balance that I must research further.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2019, 04:01:23 AM by Third »
 
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Re: Talos BOOM!!!
« Reply #37 on: August 17, 2019, 06:58:05 AM »

I just had an interesting real money game where I started the BOOM on a Split but when 3 of 4 numbers came up hot, switched into a Quad.  I later switched back to a Split when 2 of the 4 numbers were sleeping and then briefly back to a Quad when all of them woke up.  I went up +280 units and got my unit size up to 5 but decided to end the session when all 4 numbers went to sleep at the same time, at +128 units.

At a certain point I also lowered the BOOM when 2 numbers on a split were asleep and raised it back up once they woke up.

I adjusted the unit size calculations for the bet selection I was using.  This idea of flexibility seems really powerful. 
« Last Edit: August 17, 2019, 07:18:46 AM by Third »
 
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Re: Talos BOOM!!!
« Reply #38 on: August 17, 2019, 08:09:09 AM »

I just had an interesting real money game where I started the BOOM on a Split but when 3 of 4 numbers came up hot, switched into a Quad.  I later switched back to a Split when 2 of the 4 numbers were sleeping and then briefly back to a Quad when all of them woke up.  I went up +280 units and got my unit size up to 5 but decided to end the session when all 4 numbers went to sleep at the same time, at +128 units.

At a certain point I also lowered the BOOM when 2 numbers on a split were asleep and raised it back up once they woke up.

I adjusted the unit size calculations for the bet selection I was using.  This idea of flexibility seems really powerful.
Nice work Third.

Whats your parameters to label a number "hot" and later "gone to sleep"?
 

Third

Re: Talos BOOM!!!
« Reply #39 on: August 17, 2019, 08:54:46 AM »
Hot means that it is at least in the top 6 of all numbers for total hits.  Sleeping means 35 spins with no hit (technically its supposed to be 37 spins but I don't get paid that way so :shrug:).

In this last game I started out with a Split, moved into a Quad, back down to a Split and then to SU/EP.  Since I had a large portion of the debt run through the "less expensive" but larger (more numbers bet) selections, it kept the overall debt down because the SU/EP selection required less chips; so I bet more numbers but paid less for them.

One thing I don't do is switch UPWARDS with existing debt on the books; that drives the debt sky high very quickly.  Switching DOWNWARDS can be a good cost saving measure, especially in response to sleeping selections; why bet a full Quad when 3 numbers are asleep?
« Last Edit: August 17, 2019, 08:56:22 AM by Third »
 
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Re: Talos BOOM!!!
« Reply #40 on: August 17, 2019, 09:21:59 AM »
I like to BOOM!  The main negative progression looks as it goes very deep, sometimes, and ends with a low profit. Had a corner sleeping 71 spins, and then hit three times, I was 71 down, as I did flat  1 unit bets. At 71 losses if use the progression, we are quite deep. I did a double parlay first 9 time,and second   6 (* 9) times. Did not try next possible parlay.
 
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Re: Talos BOOM!!!
« Reply #41 on: August 17, 2019, 10:01:12 AM »
With 71 consecutive misses, the progression is:

11111111
2222
333                      <=== base progression, if this misses we go back down to our base unit amount
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2222
33333
4444
55
444444
55555
6666
555
66666
77777
88
777777
88888

followed by a single hit. 

At this point the divisor is 4, which means we are 4 hits away from profit but we are not BOOM-ing, we are simply recovering profit. 

The debt is at 253 units.  I can't simulate the next 2 hits because I don't know where in the sequence they occurred but if they occurred early enough, we could be 2 hits away from recovering.

One thing I am starting to do is switch selections DOWNWARD to conserve debt and cease betting on sleeping numbers; like a parachute.

I can simulate a Quad consecutively missing for 124 spins and the chances of 71 consecutive misses is .9996872711181641 which is 1 in 3197 coup attempts.

I finally played my first Street today.  I also missed a betting opportunity with another Street; I need to remember to look for those! >.<
« Last Edit: August 17, 2019, 10:14:57 AM by Third »
 

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Re: Talos BOOM!!!
« Reply #42 on: August 17, 2019, 01:44:55 PM »
I just BOOM-ed a DS for real money when 4 out of 6 numbers were in the top 12 of all performers.  It went 24 times in a row and I made 400 units; my max unit size was 11.  At that point I just chickened out.  I backed down to the base unit size and watched it hit 3 more times before it broke; all 4 numbers went to sleep.

Check this out!


32

HIT! Player wins 5

35

HIT! Player wins 5

6 1 33

HIT! Player wins 5

17 26 17 34

HIT! Player wins 5

16 2 19 20 32

HIT! Player wins 5

5 11 8 35

HIT! Player wins 5

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HIT! Player wins 5

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HIT! Player wins 5

16 11 36

HIT! Player wins 5

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HIT! Player wins 5

10 34

HIT! Player wins 5

3 33

HIT! Player wins 5

18 31

HIT! Player wins 5

26 35

HIT! Player wins 5

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HIT! Player wins 5


Dang, it was like I was betting an EC!!!

The amazing thing is that if I had BOOM-ed the top performer (SU/EP), it went a total of 23 times without breaking and my profit would have been very substantial. 

I have to say, it fills me with a kind of terror to bet so large and risk existing profit.  I am so used to betting minimum amounts and watching my profit so carefully that it really is going to take some work to get over this feeling; its quite overwhelming. 

One thing that helps, is to calculate how much profit I have banked and how much profit the proposed bet will bring in, so that even if I lose, I know that I still have profit, along with how much and I have the incentive to place the bet in the hopes of gaining the larger profit.  It is very much a psychological and emotional thing.
« Last Edit: August 17, 2019, 02:09:04 PM by Third »
 

MickyP

Re: Talos BOOM!!!
« Reply #43 on: August 17, 2019, 03:44:49 PM »
Take the numbers you displayed above and plot them on a wheel. See how the spins hang in a zone for a few spins then move to the opposite side and back again A nice sequence of numbers to play.
 
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Re: Talos BOOM!!!
« Reply #44 on: August 17, 2019, 04:50:32 PM »
I use a variant, betting 12 numbers, Using a negative progression, 1  every 8th spin. And a positive, adding 1 on the hitted number. When on 2-figure plus, I end the game, by moving all or some to the last hitted, if win try again adding some more, doing so until a loss. Did 6687 units. In money only € 66.87. It is a 12 number using corners.
 
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