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Jesper

Re: Successful RNG players?
« Reply #15 on: August 01, 2019, 03:30:51 PM »
I do not agree, most casinos using rng are not rigged. If licensed here, whey are controlled to every aspect.  On RNG you see a lot of more spins. On BM your method works for many visits, but count the spins. I do sometimes 2000 spins in a row, just a visit. I can use small stakes, which means I can ride over some bad. Still the odds are against, you can not in the longer run beat it. The long run can on the other hand be long. On BM it is longer due to speed, but shorter due to small bankrolls, as the stakes is in the range of 100 folds or more. On RNG a bank of 1000 Euro can be 100000 units, which defend the bad. Still the total winnings can be OK, or even lose.

There might be rouge casinos, but I do not suspect a casino without much paperworks pay out 6000 Euro.
 
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Joe

Re: Successful RNG players?
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2019, 03:49:16 PM »
I agree with Jesper. As long as you play RNG at a reputable casino you can be confident that they're not cheating you; some of them even give you hashes which guarantee the numbers aren't changed after your bet. As Jesper has pointed out, the speed of the spins being delivered means you can afford to take your time and don't become so stressed with the pressure to make a profit within a couple of 100 spins like you might at a B&M casino, and the large spreads mean you don't become stressed by having to bet large stakes. In addition, you don't have to put up with the stinky guy standing next to you or the waitresses trying to get you drunk. IMO, the benefits of playing online easily outweigh the disadvantages.
 
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MickyP

Re: Successful RNG players?
« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2019, 06:16:29 PM »
I want to try and avoid the nastiness about speculations on RNG being fools gold.

Here however, is a question that may make things a little clearer. Can RNG players bank on a win (profit) within 20 spins?

I ask this question because on a B/M table I only require about 20 spins or less to reach my session goal (max is 5% of daily bank). Why then do RNG players look to playing hundreds or even thousands of spins in a day?
 

Third

Re: Successful RNG players?
« Reply #18 on: August 01, 2019, 06:52:00 PM »
Like ThomasLeor points out, a reputable casino will pay out and not care about measly amounts like $5000.  I personally play until I am banned.  So far this simply hasn't happened and I am continuing.  Granted, there is no "under the radar" possible and I know that my wagering history is reviewed.  Some time ago, they actually increased my max wager on the inside!

When you have a trusted online casino, you get the feeling like you are dealing with an actual B & M casino.  There is a certain peaceful acceptance that kicks in.  I don't worry about being banned.  I just worry about earning my next withdrawal, while keeping in the back of my mind that, if necessary, there are other trustworthy casinos out there.
 

Joe

Re: Successful RNG players?
« Reply #19 on: August 01, 2019, 07:06:11 PM »
Here however, is a question that may make things a little clearer. Can RNG players bank on a win (profit) within 20 spins?
Micky, that's a meaningless question until we know how many numbers you're betting. How many numbers are you betting?  :)

And, correct me if I'm wrong, but I'm assuming that your objection to RNG is only due to the assumption that it's too easy to be cheated by the casino? You don't have any problem with a fair RNG? Or do you think that there is something  about RNG results which make it inherently more difficult to win because outcomes are more random?

 
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GIAJJENNO

Re: Successful RNG players?
« Reply #20 on: August 01, 2019, 07:24:43 PM »
No fair RNG exists. They are all slot machines. It is a software, made by people. I not say, you cant win on RNG. You can, but normal roulette numbers and RNG numbers are different, so if you have winning method on RNG, it will probably lose on real roulette wheel. And vicaversa, if someone have winning method on real wheel, it will probably lose on RNG.

Fact.

 
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MickyP

Re: Successful RNG players?
« Reply #21 on: August 01, 2019, 08:46:18 PM »
Joe, my methods vary from 3 to 8 numbers and all my methods have a limited spin play. Some methods will be 3 spins while others will go up to about 7/8 spins. My session target is between 10 and 20 units depending on the method being played. Some methods have a higher profit margin than others.

I have mentioned on several occasions that I don't trust RNG for the very reason that Giajjenno mentioned above.Thanks for the clarification Gia.

My question should be very easy to answer irrespective of my game parameters.
 

Jesper

Re: Successful RNG players?
« Reply #22 on: August 02, 2019, 05:43:07 AM »
A wheel is as well made by humans.  The casinos are not using random generators of the kind excel or common software. They relay on physics as well.It can be noise in the air, radio waves interference or electron spins and many other which is impossible to know beforehand.   It is not only software it is hardware.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hardware_random_number_generator
 
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MickyP

Re: Successful RNG players?
« Reply #23 on: August 02, 2019, 06:06:00 AM »
I don't follow your point Jesper. Is RNG not supposed to replicate numbers generated off a roulette wheel, giving similar output? If yes, then why is there such a difference in number output relative to the system being played?

My original question still goes unanswered.
 

Jesper

Re: Successful RNG players?
« Reply #24 on: August 02, 2019, 06:20:11 AM »
I am mot sure which is your question. But nobody can see any difference from a computer stream of random numbers or a wheel, if both are in proper order.  It has been tested many times, the guess right just by random. It have been in some way tested on many fora there somebody claim they can see it, all has failed.
 
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Joe

Re: Successful RNG players?
« Reply #25 on: August 02, 2019, 08:29:31 AM »
Fact.
Opinion!   ;D

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No fair RNG exists. They are all slot machines. It is a software, made by people. I not say, you cant win on RNG. You can, but normal roulette numbers and RNG numbers are different, so if you have winning method on RNG, it will probably lose on real roulette wheel. And vicaversa, if someone have winning method on real wheel, it will probably lose on RNG.
GIAJ, in the first place, RNG's are used for a lot more than just gambling purposes. Simulations, security and cryptography, statistical sampling are some practical applications which depend on RNG's being fair and random. In fact it's hardly an exaggeration to say that that modern technological society depends on them.

Secondly, your statements are contradictory. If you concede that we can win on RNG, but that they are not fair, then in what way are they not fair? They must either generate biased outcomes or non-independent outcomes, but assuming the casino isn't cheating by giving you dependent outcomes (based on the numbers you just picked), it doesn't make sense for casinos to offer dependent outcomes because the pattern could be figured out by the players, and similarly for biased outcomes. It's in the casino's interest to keep the numbers as random as possible.

And again I agree with Jesper. Where is the data and proof which tells you that RNG and real wheel outcomes are in any way different and can be distinguished from each other? I'll wager 100-1 that if I posted some outcomes from each on this forum, nobody would be able to tell the difference.  :D
 

Joe

Re: Successful RNG players?
« Reply #26 on: August 02, 2019, 08:52:11 AM »
Joe, my methods vary from 3 to 8 numbers and all my methods have a limited spin play. Some methods will be 3 spins while others will go up to about 7/8 spins. My session target is between 10 and 20 units depending on the method being played. Some methods have a higher profit margin than others.

I have mentioned on several occasions that I don't trust RNG for the very reason that Giajjenno mentioned above.Thanks for the clarification Gia.

My question should be very easy to answer irrespective of my game parameters.
Micky, you said that you will get a win within 20 spins. I don't see how your question relates to RNG vs Real Wheel, but from a statistical point of view my question was relevant, because if you are only betting 1 number, it would mean you have a massive edge because the average number of spins before a hit (assuming no edge) is 37 spins, but you're never having to wait more than 20 spins!

So if you're betting 3 to 8 numbers and assuming the number of times you're betting on each of 3,4,... 8 is roughly equal, then the average probability of a win is (3 + 4 + 5 + 6 + 7 + 8 ) / 37 * 6 = 11/74, so on average you get a hit every 74/11 = 6.73 spins. But even if you were always betting 8 numbers, a guaranteed hit within 20 spins would mean you could use a martingale style progression (easily within house limits) and never lose. So if you don't mind me saying, your claim seems a little suspect.  :-\
 

MickyP

Re: Successful RNG players?
« Reply #27 on: August 02, 2019, 09:06:36 AM »
I do it Joe. I do it by using strategic play, using triggers, progressions but not Martingale; I play off the wheel. You will be surprised on how much positive information a player can derive from wheel watching. Croupier is the key link to the wheel and there lies the answer.

The fact is that in most cases I reach my win goal in less than 5 bets because I play straight up numbers and splits that will reach my session target very easily.

I keep my exposure and time on the tables very short so I qualify my entry point and exit on a small session win goal. Not rocket science at all.
 

MickyP

Re: Successful RNG players?
« Reply #28 on: August 02, 2019, 11:14:17 AM »
Joe, just thinking about this I can see that RNG players can not secure a 10/20 chip profit within 20 spins. The mere fact that you doubt it is possible leads me to assume that you play RNG. It also leads me to believe that you have no faith in your efforts as you probably start play with the minimum value chip and only bet a single chip on each placement. On the other hand I may start with 3 chips per placement giving me a much higher return and strengthening my excess account so I can deal with losses when they occur. It's all about balance and management. I don't chase anything, not a win nor a loss; each is dealt with as it occurs within my allotted number of spins.
 

Joe

Re: Successful RNG players?
« Reply #29 on: August 02, 2019, 12:19:32 PM »
Micky, I don't doubt that it's possible for an AP to get a 50% or even higher edge, at times. But I thought you were a system player? maybe I was wrong. Of course an RNG and traditional AP aren't compatible, but if you're using systems (no physical variables) then someone playing a real wheel has no advantage over someone playing an RNG. If you can get an advantage using triggers, stop losses, etc then as long as the RNG is not crooked there's no reason why you shouldn't enjoy the same success.