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GIAJJENNO

The answer in my opinion :  YES.

A professional, well-experienced croupier can spin the exact number, what he wants! If you bet before spin, and he see, ehich numbers are you bet on, he can easily make it lose. And why not? He work for thecasinos, and not for you.

But what happens, when you pay some chips for his spins. Before every third spin, you give him example 1 unit. After 10 spin he will have 3 units, and hope he will spin on our numbers, so we can continue the -> I win -> I pay him system. Of course under the radar[size=78%].[/size]
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In this way, he can earn an hour example an hour 10 units. I think this is not bad salary for them.
 

scepticus

Re: Can croupiers f*ck up with you, and make you rich, if they want?
« Reply #1 on: July 30, 2019, 03:39:33 AM »
The answer Gia  is NO !   
 In the UK all tips are pooled so the dealer only gets a small share .
Dealers cannot  spin the exact number and it is EXTREMELY unlikely that he can even  spin a small  section. These ideas are part of the reason that casinos  win more than they should .  Bettors f*ck up their own minds with nonsense   which is why there is a lot of drivel in forums . 

 
 
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UnlikelySam

Re: Can croupiers f*ck up with you, and make you rich, if they want?
« Reply #2 on: July 30, 2019, 03:49:54 AM »
Yep some of the places they are pooled and even some tipping is not permitted. Well if you look at the way some of the dealers spin the wheel without even a care in the world not even looking at the wheel ???  Now if you had a dealer with Jafco's accuracy then errrrrr ...  ;D

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Joe

Re: Can croupiers f*ck up with you, and make you rich, if they want?
« Reply #3 on: July 30, 2019, 09:42:10 AM »
I have to agree with scep. It's one thing to say that "Dealer's Signature" is a real phenomenon but quite another to claim that a dealer can somehow target a number or even a sector with any degree of success.
 
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MickyP

Re: Can croupiers f*ck up with you, and make you rich, if they want?
« Reply #4 on: July 30, 2019, 10:38:19 AM »
The style that a croupier uses to spin the ball is in most cases very uniformed. It is for this reason that dealer signature can be used to gain advantage in the game. However, small deviations in spin style will create different results. This plus the wheel type that allows for more ball movement before settling in a pocket and the bounce from diamonds adds to random results. I have not met a croupier who can target a specific number and hit it every time.

All my play is on B/M casino tables and generally the croupiers do not even look at the wheel when they spin the ball. They spin the ball with the same style and consistency throughout their allotted time on the table. Dealer signature, if read correctly can give the player a slight advantage but it is not consistent for reasons mentioned above. Because players are able to capitalize on the uniformity of a croupiers spin style casinos keep a close watch on the table and change croupiers after a specific time or if they note that a player is winning off that croupier's spin style. Hit and run with dealer signature is a recommended approach. Aim for two or three big hits then withdraw and move to another table.

New table designs have made it very difficult for both players and croupiers to target numbers on the wheel. It is never-the-less still very possible to profit from dealer signature.
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MickyP

Re: Can croupiers f*ck up with you, and make you rich, if they want?
« Reply #5 on: July 30, 2019, 10:43:26 AM »
Just a thought... If players are concerned about croupiers targeting specific numbers then this can be stretched to the limits were croupiers can alter maths as well. The law of thirds can thus be manipulated and any system or method that relies on the on it will tank with a good croupier. Hahaha... sounds like an RNG trick....Hahaha
 

Jesper

Re: Can croupiers f*ck up with you, and make you rich, if they want?
« Reply #6 on: July 30, 2019, 12:19:51 PM »
If the dealer can aim the ball, a good strategy would be to bet opposite the high roller. 8)    If he does not then do it, they would replace him.  I have seen dealer try to target the ball, and  I can say they cant, if the ball is not just travel one or a few times around the wheel.  He must hit a half of the wheel 70 times in 100, to be confident it is not by chance.

They have monitoring with cameras, in old days it were 4 staff watching each table.  We can be sure the dealer is well monitored as well.
 

Re: Can croupiers f*ck up with you, and make you rich, if they want?
« Reply #7 on: July 30, 2019, 01:16:52 PM »
The answer in my opinion :  YES.

A professional, well-experienced croupier can spin the exact number, what he wants! If you bet before spin, and he see, ehich numbers are you bet on, he can easily make it lose. And why not? He work for thecasinos, and not for you.

But what happens, when you pay some chips for his spins. Before every third spin, you give him example 1 unit. After 10 spin he will have 3 units, and hope he will spin on our numbers, so we can continue the -> I win -> I pay him system. Of course under the radar[size=78%].[/size]

In this way, he can earn an hour example an hour 10 units. I think this is not bad salary for them.

There is no doubt the croupier has a high degree of accuracy, maybe not 100%, but it's quite like a professional darts player throwing at bullseye, he'll usually hit it.
At least that's the situation in the casino I play in, maybe at other casinos the croupiers aren't supposed to target specific numbers, but at the casino I frequent it's commonplace.
 

GIAJJENNO

Re: Can croupiers f*ck up with you, and make you rich, if they want?
« Reply #8 on: July 30, 2019, 01:48:41 PM »
Even jafco I saw have videos about hitting the exact numbers what he wants.

https://youtu.be/BG8PDRe4IOA
 

scepticus

Re: Can croupiers f*ck up with you, and make you rich, if they want?
« Reply #9 on: July 30, 2019, 02:55:49 PM »
Sigh  !
 

MickyP

Re: Can croupiers f*ck up with you, and make you rich, if they want?
« Reply #10 on: July 31, 2019, 08:17:47 AM »
Even jafco I saw have videos about hitting the exact numbers what he wants.

https://youtu.be/BG8PDRe4IOA

AP is about reading an already spinning ball and predicting where it will land. This is different to a croupier who has yet to spin the ball. In order for a croupier to select a number that the ball will land in, that croupier must be extremely sensitive to the velocity and amount of spin placed om the ball itself. The starting point for the spin is not always the same. For success, the croupier must release the ball at exactly the right position with correct velocity and spin on the ball (like playing pool or snooker). On top of this there are deflectors on the wheel that must be taken into account as well. The frets between the numbers also act as deflectors and can alter the course of the ball.

Really, think about this logically. I don't say its impossible but it is very highly unlikely that a croupier will be able to accurately place the ball in a predetermined number. Even Jafco using a roulette computer can not get his predictions 100% right all the time. He determines the number off an already spinning ball.