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thomasleor

Re: The Crystal Roulette
« Reply #15 on: July 18, 2019, 04:13:01 PM »

The Dutch layout is not a ripoff, its a helpful innovation. 

Innovation? LOL

When Francois and Louis Blanc  moved to Hamburg, Germany, around 1843, and introduced their new roulette game to the gambling community there (Casino Bad Homburg) they offered the felt as you see it today in any given B&M Casino, and of course your own beloved Online CGI animated RNGs, with a roulette wheel image slapped on,  so you can continue to fool yourself that you are using a real roulette wheel when testing your countless system ideas.

Trust me when I say that any child with an above average IQ and a healthy curiousity on numbers, could have skecthed a  "Dutch Table" a la Dobbelsteen,  once it saw the number sequence on Blancs wheel (not Pascals which had fewer numbers btw).

Don´t you really believe that Francois didn´t have that felt structure in his mind when he designed and decided to use the final version of the wheel number sequence on a felt as u see it today? Are you that naive?

There was a very good reason the latter was used as the final choice in Bad Homburg and not the former. Every time you lose large on Monsieur Francois Blanc´s elegant, and childishly simple layout, you see that particular reason in its ingenious structure, giving birth to endless patterns trying to beat the House Edge and wheel number producing variance, you being the last man that is missing a chair to sit on,  when the music has stopped.
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Third

Re: The Crystal Roulette
« Reply #16 on: July 18, 2019, 05:45:23 PM »
Was it designed for a casino?

Don't try and tell me there wasn't a deliberate effort to make the wheel and felt asynchronous.  Its quite clear to anyone who studies it.
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scepticus

Re: The Crystal Roulette
« Reply #17 on: July 18, 2019, 05:58:26 PM »
The numbers on the felt read from 1-to 36 so are easy for even a novice to quickly understand . Not so the Dutch Wheel . It is designed fora minority who bet voisons etc.. 
 

Third

Re: The Crystal Roulette
« Reply #18 on: July 18, 2019, 06:02:13 PM »
What difference do the values (their sum & identity) of the numbers make?

The felt is the same, it has the properties of a rectangle.  The bets are the same regardless of the value of the numbers, but now the felt mirrors the wheel harmoniously.

In reality, unless we are addressing VB/wheel bias, both the numbers on the wheel and on the felt are just artificial constructs anyway.
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thomasleor

Re: The Crystal Roulette
« Reply #19 on: July 18, 2019, 06:29:15 PM »

Was it designed for a casino?

Don't try and tell me there wasn't a deliberate effort to make the wheel and felt asynchronous.  Its quite clear to anyone who studies it.

That was what I just said.  8)  The asynchronicity was deliberate and ingenious because it instantly attracted bets on number patterns according to its alluring design, and on this beautiful and seemingly well tasting cake a poisonous cherry was placed. One of 2.7% in a payout deficit/casino edge against the gambler.
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One cannot but love the insidious and very brilliant business idea behind the concept. The millions, upon millions of gamblers that have lost money on this idea, design and gambling concept,  to this date,  counting the opening day of the first Casino Bad Homburg and all others following that concept until today, validates this very fact.

Ultimately, this game induces a great desire in all gamblers attracted  to its alluring concept, where dreams, ambition and great luck converge.

 But for most this convergence seldom happens ,and when it rarely does, it falls apart because of the inability in the gambler to understand and read the most important factor in the game - the ongoing variance curve of any given bet selection against the perpetual wheel.
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dobbelsteen

Re: The Crystal Roulette
« Reply #20 on: July 18, 2019, 08:13:40 PM »

The most simple explanation of the roulette game is to wager in which pocket the ball will land. Mathematical the numbers of the pockets  are not important  for a fair random game. The Blaise Pascal distribution is the classic one and used all over the world.
The table layout does not fit with the wheel. Without the help of the croupier the player can not place his jetons.
For handling a busy table 4 croupiers were needed.The bets on the table have nothing in common with the wheel.

The bets on the Voisins du zero, the Tier du cilindre or the Orphelins have a hash distribution on the felt.The neighbour bet are always plein numbers. It is very frustrated when the player plays a corner and the ball lands between the betted number on the wheel. With the Dutch table you can play18 neighbours with one jeton.

I think the player will have much more pleasure  playing Dutch roulette.

I wander why in 300 years nobody gets my innovation of the table, even you with an above average IQ.
 

thomasleor

Re: The Crystal Roulette
« Reply #21 on: July 18, 2019, 08:43:27 PM »

I wander why in 300 years nobody gets my innovation of the table, even you with an above average IQ.

I will make this very clear and simple.

It is NOT your innovation. You have simply marketed it as YOURS because no one in the Casino industry is interested to market something they consider cumbersome and impractical towards their clients, the gamblers, that prefer things simple and straightfoward with a set of simple rules. I also know that you have had no success trying to sell water melt from snow to the eskimoes, which basically this thing you think you came up with, before anyone else, IS.

What you try to convince all on this forum, has been thought of and discussed throughout the years in the industry many times, especially between professional gamblers and even Casino owners but dismissed for the above reasons. And to claim this layout as YOUR INVENTION is a clear insult to the original inventors of the modern roulette concept, the Blanc brothers.

I have designed roulette platforms for two decades now and drew some design-concepts on this layout a couple of decades ago when I tried to sell it to various Gambling vendors. They all rejected it and explained in very good terms why it wasn´t viable. Today I understand them better and agree with them.
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dobbelsteen

Re: The Crystal Roulette
« Reply #22 on: July 18, 2019, 09:58:54 PM »
Novomatic as a world leader has put in de market the Chinese roulette. There are some ideas in common with  Dutch roulette .Perhaps I brought they on my idea. In some casinos these Chinese roulette is installed as a multi player machine. The most beautiful innovations are designed by very simple persons.

I have the idea you and your team are still looking  for the Holy Grail .Good luck. 
 

scepticus

Re: The Crystal Roulette
« Reply #23 on: July 19, 2019, 04:02:05 AM »
Discussion about the layout  is " Much Ado About  Nothing "  . We cannot place chips on the wheel so need somewhere  to place them  . The simple 1 to 36   layout serves  the purpose  well and  is easy for us simpletons to understand . ;D   If and when it doesn't suit the casinos then they wil change it - without giving us a vote on it !
 

dobbelsteen

Re: The Crystal Roulette
« Reply #24 on: July 19, 2019, 08:37:51 AM »
A simpleton, betting the Voisins du zero, can not place his chips on the table without the help of a croupier.

Ther are wheel players ( AP and DS players) and table players. Both kind of players can play Dutch roulette.

The Dutch game market for online gambling is open. The Dutch Authority ( Kas) expect that about 90 licences will be given. We look for pitchers for the dutch roulette.
 

thomasleor

Re: The Crystal Roulette
« Reply #25 on: July 19, 2019, 10:12:44 AM »


The Dutch game market for online gambling is open. The Dutch Authority ( Kas) expect that about 90 licences will be given. We look for pitchers for the dutch roulette.


Really?

So pray tell, which of these Dutch Online Casinos are using your ripoff scheme?

Spinia
Betchan
Bob Casino
Mr.Play
or the Luckland Groups  N1 Casino

or even some of the landbased B&Ms like

H C (Holland Casino) Leeuwarden  - not a chance

H C Zandvoort - in your dreams

H C Utrecht  - yeah, right... ;D

H C Amsterdam -  I doubt the PPE group owning a large part of the hotel, and their Chairman Boris Ernest Ivesha ever heard of you  ;D

Flash Casino Amsterdam - If you have permission from Jaques Dumas, director for the Casino Group Guichard-Perrachon Co, who owns this Casino, or even anyone else in the board to use your ripoff in their premises I will personally declare you a marketing genious.

HC Rotterdam  Government owned, but I doubt they even know about you, or you even managed to pass through the chief secretary´s door in the General Office HQ.

Flamingo Casino Beverwijk - The Flamingo group with its cheap interiors and many small town Casinos, might be the only ones stupid enough to allow your table as a mere curiosa to attract visiting tourists. Yet if I were to make a probability assessement of you being allowed to use any of these Casinos for your ripoff "invention",  (almost comical) I would say none of them is, or will ever be, ready to use it.


And btw, good pitchers (live dealers) are not found here, on this forum,  and especially do not take work for a private individual who claims he re-invented the wheel. Every good dealer with good experience needs good references in order to get the next job in this very dynamic market. None of them would be stupid enough to become a laughing stock in the business by saying, "Oh I worked for this old guy who re-invented the wheel and tried to make me sell snow to the eskimoes under the guise he had invented it" ;D
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Third

Re: The Crystal Roulette
« Reply #26 on: July 19, 2019, 01:19:36 PM »
Pardon me for commenting, no disrespect intended but being a genius (your talents are obvious) doesn't dispense one from common courtesy and polite discourse.

Have you ever considered that you go over the line with your criticisms?
 
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dobbelsteen

Re: The Crystal Roulette
« Reply #27 on: July 19, 2019, 08:01:37 PM »
This is the real Thomasleor. A very disappointed roulette player.
 

thomasleor

Re: The Crystal Roulette
« Reply #28 on: July 20, 2019, 07:16:28 AM »
A very disappointed roulette player.

Talking about yourself, again, are you?

Well I can understand that position in your case.

You have "loser" printed all over your forehead and with good reason.  Pulling off cheap rip off design scams and calling the finished product your "own",  when you actually have stood on the shoulders of past geniuses, is the way of the loser, not to mention that whenever I invest some precious time reading some of your hair brained posts on what you believe to be proper roulette math, and its correct implementation on the game in any given Casino, I always have a nice laughter.  ;D
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Re: The Crystal Roulette
« Reply #29 on: July 20, 2019, 01:41:29 PM »
Not a single chance in hell that I am ever giving away my fingerprint to spin a bloody roulette wheel!

Sweden.... why does it not surprise me that it is Sweden.

Whats next? No microchip implant... no play?
 
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