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Reyth

Re: My First Games With The Kavouras Betting System
« Reply #15 on: May 05, 2015, 02:19:33 AM »

1) +10   +10
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-raise1-
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-raise1-
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-endattack-(4)
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-attack-
-raise1-
51) -14 +55
-raise1-
52) +5   +60
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54) -19   +22
-stopped out-

I wanted to document an interesting betting strategy called a "stop loss".  I am currently trying out 25% as the figure and I apply it each time an all time high profit is attained.  Bet #45 shows where I did this.  Before stopping out, this session recorded 7 virtual losses in a row. 

The potential advantage is that I bank my profits instead of risking them, with the goal being to accrue more profit than the cost of the rare 12 virtually-consecutive loss spins.


The Kav allows great flexibility with how its played and so trying to find the optimal technique just makes sense.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2015, 02:41:26 AM by Reyth »
 

Reyth

Re: My First Games With The Kavouras Betting System
« Reply #16 on: May 05, 2015, 02:27:38 AM »

1) +10   +10
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-attack-
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-end attack-(2)
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-attack-
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-attack-
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-end attack-(4)
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84) -8   +113
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-stopped out-

Ok!  Implemented a second strategy: the target goal.  The way it works is you have a set goal you want to earn for the session.  What I am doing is "synch-ing up" my stop loss to 75% once that target goal is hit; in this case its 100 units.  You can see this implemented in bet #45.  Because the target goal was achieved this session only showed 4 consecutive losses before stopping out.  The stop loss and target goal are tools used by professional investors to protect themselves while working in volatile markets.

This session also elucidated another sort of betting strategy (or even philosophy) which I am calling the "laissez-faire" technique.  Because the stop loss creates guaranteed short-term profits, you realize that you aren't REQUIRED to bet just because the wheel takes a downward turn.  Similarly, we're not REQUIRED to constantly raise the betting amount to new highs just because losses have occurred.

This creates a certain mindset that is quite liberating.  I am calling it the "surfing mindset".  With a mild, non-pressing Kav attack we are simply seeking to "stay alive" by only reducing or just equaling the losses that have occurred so that we can "live to fight another day" and let the normal Kav bet flow create our profits for us in a risk-free manner.  You can see where I did this in spins:

#19,#36 my raise amount only restored losses instead of generating new profits which would of required a 2 unit raise.

#35,#41 rather than attack with over a 20 unit loss on the books (from profit only) I just let the wheel take its course with a "wait and see" attitude.

#58 et. al. here the 75% stop loss was implemented and so there was no room to attack and I was "forced" to just let Kav do its thing.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2015, 04:16:04 AM by Reyth »
 

Reyth

Re: My First Games With The Kavouras Betting System
« Reply #17 on: May 05, 2015, 05:03:08 AM »

1) +4   +4
2) -8   -4
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-attack-
-raise1-
6) -13   -29
-raise1-
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-raise1-
8] -25   -73
-raise2-
9) -37   -110 <===

-raise3-
10) -55   -165
-raise6-
11)+179   +14(3)
-end attack-[8] <===

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-attack-
-raise1-
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-end attack-(4)
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-attack-
-raise1-
79) -13   +50
80) -13   +37
90) -13   +24
-stopped out-

Quote from: Dr. Kav
The betting amount is...varied and chaotic...we bet many numbers and we get hits often... [which] allows us to adjust our bets often and in multiple ways.

This makes the attack extremely flexible.  Extremely flexible indeed.

Its the most flexible and adaptable strategy that I have ever (seen).  Its not a "if you win do this, if you lose do that" roulette system.  Its much more flexible...

...it may seem...complicated until you...come to appreciate its flexibility...[by]... understand[ing] how to use it in real play.

Not to put words in Mr. Kav's mouth or anything but I think I am beginning to understand more about this "flexibility" he speaks of.  Its kind of like artistic; like soft martial arts where you use the opponent's force against them.  I dunno, I think I might like the surfing analogy.  It feels like you are almost negotiating with the wheel; "here, I'll give you an extra 10 units profit and we agree to end this fight for now".  I mean just trying to stay afloat so you can be there to catch the next wave.  There might even be a brand name there:The Kavouras Wave

You can see it in spins #13-22 (51 point move), #71-74 (30 point move) & even though less influential, in spins #62-66 (25 point move).  The key is that no DIRECT effort from bet raising was required to create these large profit moves BUT bet raises WERE required; i.e. bet raising was needed to stave off large losses from the wheel's negative waves.  So in this way, its kind of like surfing, feeling more like art than science.

Despite surfing strategies, eventually a wave comes along that's too big to handle and this session saw 7 consecutive losses (seen only 1 in 100 Kav attacks) before it stopped out.

Opening Assault

Seeing the spins in red, a massive assault (8 spins only seen 1 in 200 Kav attacks) was launched against the Kav in the opening sequences before it was able to create a profit cushion to work with.  At the red arrow, losses dipped to 100+ and the thought occurred to me that when this happens, a rule could be created where play is just immediately terminated.  This is definitely a "the glass is half empty" approach and the actual odds of hitting the 12 loss limit are only 1 in 2,000 attacks (which would mean only 1 in 10 of these attacks would be fatal).  More thought will have to be given to this idea and it has some viability because it is only followed when no stop loss has been yet established.

« Last Edit: May 05, 2015, 06:54:23 AM by Reyth »
 

kav

Re: My First Games With The Kavouras Betting System
« Reply #18 on: May 05, 2015, 05:32:09 AM »
Not to put words in Mr. Kav's mouth or anything but I think I am beginning to understand more about this "flexibility" he speaks of.  Its kind of like artistic; like soft martial arts where you use the opponent's force against them.  I dunno, I think I might like the surfing analogy.  But it feels like you are almost negotiating with the wheel; "here, I'll give you an extra 10 units profit and we agree to end this fight for now".  I mean just trying to stay afloat so you can be there to catch the next wave.  There might even be a brand name there: The Kavouras Wave.  You can see it in spins # 

Reyth you are a poet and a philosopher :-)
 

Reyth

Re: My First Games With The Kavouras Betting System
« Reply #19 on: May 05, 2015, 05:38:42 AM »
Not to put words in Mr. Kav's mouth or anything but I think I am beginning to understand more about this "flexibility" he speaks of.  Its kind of like artistic; like soft martial arts where you use the opponent's force against them.  I dunno, I think I might like the surfing analogy.  But it feels like you are almost negotiating with the wheel; "here, I'll give you an extra 10 units profit and we agree to end this fight for now".  I mean just trying to stay afloat so you can be there to catch the next wave.  There might even be a brand name there: The Kavouras Wave.  You can see it in spins # 

Reyth you are a poet and a philosopher :-)

And might I say, "you are an inspirational teacher"?  Its almost like hiding the secret does more good than putting it out in the open. XD
 

dobbelsteen

Re: My First Games With The Kavouras Betting System
« Reply #20 on: May 05, 2015, 08:32:55 AM »
Reyth there is a special topic about the Kavouras bet.
I understand you did not read that topic.

I have analysed the kav bet with excel.

The results of my samples are not similar with yours. It is possible, you use also a negative progresion.

Your report is not completed and I can not judge your results.

 

Reyth

Re: My First Games With The Kavouras Betting System
« Reply #21 on: May 05, 2015, 08:43:55 AM »
Reyth there is a special topic about the Kavouras bet.
I understand you did not read that topic.

I have analysed the kav bet with excel.

The results of my samples are not similar with yours. It is possible, you use also a negative progresion.

Your report is not completed and I can not judge your results.

Thank you good sir!  Please carry on!

PS An excel spreadsheet is simply not capable of making decisions which are required to make the Kav profitable.  A computer CAN be programmed to approximate this quite well and at some point I will need to get around to doing so.  Thank you for reminding me because a simple spreadsheet is just not up to the task.
 

Reyth

Re: My First Games With The Kavouras Betting System
« Reply #22 on: May 05, 2015, 09:29:18 AM »

1) -8   -8
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3) +1   +3
4) -8   -5
5) +1   -4
6) +4   +0
7) +10   +10
8] -8   +2
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10) -8   -14
-attack-
-raise1-
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12) +5   -22
13) -13   -35
-raise1-
14) -19   -54
-raise1-
15) +5   -49
16) -25   -74
-raise2-
17) -37   -111
-raise4-
18) -61   -172
-raise6-
19)+191   +19(5)
-end attack-(9)

20) +10   +29(7)
21) +1   +30
22) -8   +22
23) -8   +14
24) -8   +6
-stopped out-

Very interesting session!  First of all, once again Kav was hit hard at its only vulnerable point, the opening.  The opening assault was 9 virtual loss spins long and I was able to discover something new!  Because I was "addicted to raising" in the face of losses, I had the assumption that a larger than 400 bankroll was required to weather 9 virtual loss spins without a 10 payout.  This session proves it is not true.  Using the laissez-faire philosophy, I was able to weather 9 virtual losses with a bankroll of only 363 units.  Unfortunately the session was terminated after 3 consecutive hard losses but on a positive note, profit was guaranteed and risk was eliminated.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2015, 09:43:26 AM by Reyth »
 

Reyth

Re: My First Games With The Kavouras Betting System
« Reply #23 on: May 05, 2015, 10:23:09 AM »
First of all, a piece of virtual cheesecake for my fans out there!  Yes!  I AM using a real online roulette wheel!  And here you go:



Now with that out of the way, lets get on to more pressing matters:

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2) +4   -4
3) -8   -12
4) +4   -8
5) +10   +2
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-attack-
-raise1-
9) -13   -35
10) -13   -48
-raise1-
11) +5   -43
12) +35   -8
-end attack-(5)
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-attack-
-raise1-
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-end attack-(2)
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18) -8   -16
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21) -8   -4
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23) +4   +10
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25) -8   -6
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28) +10   +24(6)
29) +10   +34(9)
30) +10   +44(11)
31) +10   +54(14)
32) -8   +46
33) +10   +56
34) +4   +60(15)
35) +4   +64(16)
36) +10   +74(19)
37) +10   +84(21)
38) +10   +94(24)
39) +10   +104(78) <===
40) +4   +108(81)
41) -8   +100
42) +10   +110(83)
43) -8   +102
44) +10   +112(84)
45) +10   +122(92)
46) +10   +132(99)
47) -8   +124
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50) -8   +119
51) +10   +129
52) -8   +121
53) +10   +131
54) -8   +123
55) -8   +115
56) +1   +116
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59) +1   +113
60) +10   +123
61) +4   +127
62) +4   +131
63) -8   +123
64) -8   +115
65) +10   +125
66) -8   +117
67) +10   +127
68) -8   +119
69) +4   +123
70) -8   +115
71) -8   +107
72) +10   +117
73) -8   +109
74) +1   +110
75) -8   +102
-voluntary stopout-

Stop Loss

I just want to be clear on how powerful the stop loss system is.  Notice that starting on spin 27 numbers are listed in green; those are GUARANTEED PROFITS.  The reason why that is significant is because not only are they guaranteed but they don't stifle the ability for the profits to grow as well (a 25% trailing stop loss). 

As a special bonus you can see the 75% target profit stop loss kick in on spin #39; that one DOES stifle growth potential but not completely (it 100% allows natural growth).  Its there to allow a specific monetary goal to be met with only a 25% loss below that goal possible.

Kavouras Wave

This is the biggest KW I have EVER witnessed.  I wouldn't believe it if I hadn't of spun it myself.  You can see its immense size in the numbers colored in blue;  it runs from spin #26 to #48 and generates 131 units of profit!!!



Laissez Faire

Now some of you out there may be saying, "but wait a minute, my spreadsheet doesn't match these kinds of results!".  That's because your spreadsheet doesn't understand what Laissez Faire (referred to as LZF from now on, I just can't do French XD ) means and because of that, probably went bust shortly after spin #8.  You can see LZF in action in spin #12 & spin #16; the key is, there is no absolute need to try and force the wheel to give you dominating profits because the Kav can do that naturally all by itself once its given the chance.  It can be sufficient to simply reduce the majority of losses or even break even so that the Kav can be allowed to generate the profitable spins with the statistical edge that it naturally possesses.

Of course using the Kav attack (bet raising) to hardwire some profits is a recommended thing to do, its just that we need to strike a balance between that and game longevity/bankroll maintenance & raising like a maniac isn't always the best way to do that.  I am leaning towards being more aggressive with the Kav attack once existing profits are well in place.  Its a learning process and I am still feeling my way about which is why I'm glad you're here, loyal reader!
« Last Edit: May 05, 2015, 06:27:40 PM by kav »
 

Reyth

Re: My First Games With The Kavouras Betting System
« Reply #24 on: May 05, 2015, 11:45:43 AM »



1) +4   +4
2) -8   -4
3) -8   -12
4) +10   -2
5) +4   +2
6) -8   -6
7) -8   -14
8]+1   -13
9) -8   -21
-attack-
-raise1-
10) +23   +2
-end attack-(3)
11) -8   -6
12) +1   -5
13) +1   -4
14) +10   +6
15) -8   -2
16) -8   -10
17) +10   +0
18) +10   +10
19) -8   +2
20) +10   +12
21) +4   +16(4)
22) +4   +20(5)
23) +1   +21
24) -8   +13
25) -8   +5
-stopped out-

Small Ball

I am not sure of the long-term merits of the "small ball" approach here but it does eliminate risk of profit loss and limit risk overall.  The only reason why it wouldn't be good would revolve around the 12 Virtually Successive Loss spins that can eventually hit in the opening before a profit buffer is in place and the need to be able to weather multiple occurrences long term while maintaining a profitable bankroll; i.e. the average session profits need to add up to more than the 12 VSL loss when applied against its frequency.

The results here were simply the stop loss system protecting profit on auto-pilot.
« Last Edit: May 05, 2015, 11:57:32 AM by Reyth »
 

dobbelsteen

Re: My First Games With The Kavouras Betting System
« Reply #25 on: May 05, 2015, 01:40:58 PM »
After a negative balance you indrease the betting amout, What do you bet attack 1 or two or three. I can not find the raised bets. I do not see the relation between the loss and the profits with the bets.

 The increase of the betting amount is difficult to program in excel.

Most roulette wheels on internet are illusions. The outcome is created by a ( manipulated) RNG
 

thelaw

Re: My First Games With The Kavouras Betting System
« Reply #26 on: May 05, 2015, 03:30:06 PM »
Please be aware that Reyth's posts are showing signs of Falkor or John Legend from other Roulette forums.

Red flags to look for :

- Providing vague or non-related answers to direct questions about betting/system presented

- Providing an overabundance of info, yet missing vital pieces of betting info (like actual bet)

- Using terms that imply a betting strategy based on "feeling" as opposed to concrete rules

- More graphics and hyperbolic language as post increases used to illicit responses from members

- Proclaiming over and over to be "this close"  to the "Grail", yet just out of reach

- Claiming that the "grail" can only be shared with members via PM

Having said that, if Reyth is not trolling, please accept my apologies.

Thanks for the great forum-much appreciated! :)

***Please note that although my "Posts" say 1, I have actually posted many times in the past-specifically regarding Labby results. Not sure why the Post # is back to 1???***
« Last Edit: May 05, 2015, 03:32:41 PM by thelaw »
 

kav

Re: My First Games With The Kavouras Betting System
« Reply #27 on: May 05, 2015, 06:37:55 PM »
Please be aware that Reyth's posts are showing signs of Falkor or John Legend from other Roulette forums.

Red flags to look for :

- Providing vague or non-related answers to direct questions about betting/system presented

- Providing an overabundance of info, yet missing vital pieces of betting info (like actual bet)

- Using terms that imply a betting strategy based on "feeling" as opposed to concrete rules

- More graphics and hyperbolic language as post increases used to illicit responses from members

- Proclaiming over and over to be "this close"  to the "Grail", yet just out of reach

- Claiming that the "grail" can only be shared with members via PM

Having said that, if Reyth is not trolling, please accept my apologies.

Thanks for the great forum-much appreciated! :)

***Please note that although my "Posts" say 1, I have actually posted many times in the past-specifically regarding Labby results. Not sure why the Post # is back to 1???***

Hi thelaw.

I remember you. I don't know why your post count is 1. Don't worry about it is no big deal. The value of a person's contribution is not measured in quantity but in quality.

You have the right to be cautious. Our eyes have seen many incidents over the years in the forums. And indeed I remember Falkor have made a tremendous number of posts in a short period in another forum, before we all realized his intentions.

I just want to point out that Reyth has a Google+ and youtube account that appears genuine and where he has videos with himself talking about polyphasic sleeping etc. You can see his account if you connect to Roulette30 G+ as he is in my circles.

Add me here:
https://plus.google.com/+Roulette30com/

Now, of course having a G+ account doesn't prove something.

Also I would be glad if the members informed me of any activity behind the scenes (pms) of this forum, like system selling etc.
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Reyth

Re: My First Games With The Kavouras Betting System
« Reply #28 on: May 05, 2015, 09:27:38 PM »
After a negative balance you indrease the betting amout, What do you bet attack 1 or two or three. I can not find the raised bets. I do not see the relation between the loss and the profits with the bets.

 The increase of the betting amount is difficult to program in excel.

Most roulette wheels on internet are illusions. The outcome is created by a ( manipulated) RNG

Every time I raise, it is indicated with "raise#" where # is the number of units raised.  I thought it was clear, my apologies.
 

Reyth

Re: My First Games With The Kavouras Betting System
« Reply #29 on: May 05, 2015, 09:48:17 PM »
Please be aware that Reyth's posts

Thanks for posting!  Please be aware that I am in the room and can be addressed directly.  Thank you kindly.

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Falkor or John Legend from other Roulette forums.

Sorry never heard of these people nor have I ever posted in any Roulette forum online.  I found this system on Google and have used the 7 betting stations system found online for years on non gambling gaming sites.  When I realized that's how the Kav was designed, and that it is a truly winning system, I jumped into action as you see here.

Red flags to look for :

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- Providing vague or non-related answers to direct questions about betting/system presented

Guilty as charged.  However, in my own defense, I think a guy that runs around posting "See!  My spreadsheet says you can't beat the house edge!" is something of a troll.  But you are right, I am new to this forum and so if I have disrespected an important member, my sincere apologies.

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- Providing an overabundance of info, yet missing vital pieces of betting info (like actual bet)

As posted above, this was simply a misunderstanding.  You can actually see the progression as I was testing the system when I realized that tracking my bet was important as a simple blanket formula would not work long term, and I started posting the betting amounts.  Again, my apologies, I thought it was obvious.

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Using terms that imply a betting strategy based on "feeling" as opposed to concrete rules

Wow.  I thought this was part of the spirit that drove this system.  In fact, I may simply be misinterpreting things but I am pretty sure that's what Kav means when he says "This is not a 'when you win do this' and 'when you lose do this' betting system" and his many references to "flexibility"?

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More graphics and hyperbolic language as post increases used to illicit responses from members

Sorry just enjoying myself in a thread that I created.  I try to make my posts entertaining and have a good time while grinding data.  Truly sorry if it bothers you in some way.

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Proclaiming over and over to be "this close"  to the "Grail", yet just out of reach

You can't quote any of my posts that say that but what I have said and am saying to you now, is that I am sincerely and honestly working this system and truly learning how to use it.  This is required because, as I have said above, the heart of this system is non-linear.  I would also like to point out that I provide actual spin data from each session and soon, I will be providing real money data from an online site instead of a roulette simulator with play money.

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Claiming that the "grail" can only be shared with members via PM

This is pure air.  Nowhere will you find anything like this from me.  I have not sent a single PM (nor received one) since joining.

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please accept my apologies.

Thank you good sir.  I respect the fact you are attempting to protect a forum space and members that you like.

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