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#### Third

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« Reply #45 on: July 04, 2019, 12:41:29 AM »
Hey Dr. Talos, have you ever thought of making the ratio 1:74 instead of 1:60?

#### Frequency

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« Reply #46 on: July 04, 2019, 12:49:16 AM »
He changed the ratio to 0:66 recently, he will probably 5 years ahead change the ratio to 0:90 while using a 50 unit bankroll.

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#### DrTalos

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« Reply #47 on: July 04, 2019, 01:29:29 AM »
Love the humor.
When I switched to 1:66 I noticed that profit was lower without making sessions shorter or safer. So, I worked in the other direction. I tried to get more money out of my efforts, without changing the core of the system. But yes, I still work on it, in a way or another. Does not matter how profitable is your endeavor you will try to improve it.
My basic system was asking for hypotetical 1200+ units. How could I bring 30000 \$ with me at the casino? 12000 is a big enough sum, I tell you (So you know, I don't carry all that cash in my pocket when I play).
In five years will be different, I know. But all those differences will come with efforts, sweat, calculations and hard work.

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#### Jesper

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« Reply #48 on: July 05, 2019, 01:53:35 PM »
There are winning sessions and winning players, just  that. Even WOODO can win.  A good "system" can make it a fraction better. Take care. We can win a lot, and we can lose.   I am up a 500000 units (0.1) and due to my "system" suite the permanents. Easy as that, if you bet a place you win if you did bet at the number show.

#### Bebediktus

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« Reply #49 on: July 09, 2019, 06:07:31 AM »
Wins this who know and who can something more. You all imagine, that you play against some roulette soul, really you play against some other player , which stands in oposite side.

You can imagine, that you play against dealer say 100 spins, then you change role and you become dealer , but he - player.

After such combined 200 spins some of you will be - winner. Now imagine , if you this way play against many players as in turnament - somebody will be winner. If in such turnament will participate 100 peoples that means that the winner play better, than 99 others - that is big number.

So if you talk about wins - must think, if you can be that, which is better than 99 others ? And if you think so - you must understand that you cant be winner in such tournament, without better skils, than have thesse 99.

And if you still think that you can be winner - then you must easy know answer to questtion what you know better in what your skills are better ?

Can you ?
« Last Edit: July 09, 2019, 06:09:58 AM by Bebediktus »

#### Third

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« Reply #50 on: July 09, 2019, 06:33:02 AM »
I simply have to choose the better numbers and bet them in way that still allows me to win.

However, the paradigm of a contest only goes so far.  Roulette reality is that I am trying to consistently win a profit, while protecting my bankroll; that's a more realistic paradigm.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2019, 07:20:12 AM by Third »

#### Bebediktus

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« Reply #51 on: July 09, 2019, 07:42:13 AM »
Sure we must choose numbers which win
But if that for you is simply, then natural questtion - what you do here? With such simply choosing  you must be  multi-millionair  and can spent time in some better way...

#### Jesper

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« Reply #52 on: July 09, 2019, 08:05:01 AM »
It is near impossible to win  hundreds of 1000 spins, every test can prove it.  Specially if we use system with high turnover and may be two zeros with normal payout.  But as any can hit a jackpot, there are times when it works very long.  A winning system in the case it can not lose, we have better stop looking for.  We must take risks, and use a bankroll which can stand some bad runs, which will come. A stop loss would not help, it is just a warning.

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#### Third

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« Reply #53 on: July 09, 2019, 08:23:19 AM »
Some numbers are better than others, no matter how long the sequence.  Even AP experience variance, so when I say "simply", I mean that it is the only solution (with money management) for winning the contest.

#### Bebediktus

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« Reply #54 on: July 09, 2019, 09:11:21 AM »
It is near impossible to win  hundreds of 1000 spins, every test can prove it.
I think that if i will have oportunity to play 1000 spins how i want  - so bet say till 7-8 sec till end no matter which is wheel - I must be winner. Very simply calculations  done on simulator - for example I taked hit rate as 1/33 i think that i have usually even better.
So results 1000 in one group and 100 trials
Losses: 2   Amount: -272    Wins: 98      Amount: 92548    Spins: 100000

Total Profit: 92276

Once more :
Losses: 8   Amount: -1052    Wins: 192      Amount: 187368    Spins: 200000

Total Profit: 186316

I think all setings are super realistic.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2019, 09:13:38 AM by Bebediktus »

#### Jesper

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« Reply #55 on: July 09, 2019, 09:44:39 AM »
This can happen, and if i does, you should check the fairness of the random generator. I have had using javascript random got such a results. When checking it was just about passing the fairness test. Anyhow what is the gain if no money were put at stake.

A such long test can be fair, luck can last.   Simple do a million spins, and count the odd numbers to the even, on a NOZ.  There is a good chance you will be 1000:s of units more ahead. Flat betting one of them.
« Last Edit: July 09, 2019, 09:46:25 AM by Jesper »

#### Bebediktus

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« Reply #56 on: July 09, 2019, 10:31:36 AM »
No that is mathematic - you have hit rate 1/37, but I have 1/33 and that do all....

#### Jesper

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« Reply #57 on: July 09, 2019, 11:00:55 AM »
There is just 36 numbers in my casino.  If you can prove  by math, you have such a hit rate on a fair wheel, I may soon see you in Stockholm the 10 of December any  year from now.

In your sample it may be true, but it will never hold a test. A test must have some conditions to be valid. If you take your hypothesis from the same sample you test it with, it is not the proper way.  It should be possible to repeated by others, who probably  know math to some more extent.

The winning in a game of roulette is based on luck, or in some cases cheat or an observation on a technical issue on the wheel.

#### Bebediktus

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« Reply #58 on: July 09, 2019, 01:35:51 PM »
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The winning in a game of roulette is based on luck
There are no any luck - all are only calcualations where ball will land.
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There is just 36 numbers in my casino.
then it is online casino I not play in such
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If you can prove  by math, you have such a hit rate on a fair wheel, I may soon see you in Stockholm the 10 of December any  year from now.
Proving is not so hard , but i doubt that you can still will understand.
Simpliest proving is such say if you look to very end of spin and ball just stopped in some pocket. You must understand that for example opposite side of wheel had lowest  chance to be hitted and this which where hit - largest , if you that not understand then hard something prove to you.
But if you understand - then  I can say that me can  calculate  this part of wheel some time before that happened  and i never cover that bad part  and try as more acurate cover part which will be near to  optimal center..

Because this i got hits, more often than others.Of course i not know exact which hit rate i will have in next play, all is based previous results say i cover 15 pockets and play 100  spins, normally must hit 100*15/37=40.54, but say i had 46 hits - do simple calculations and got that mine hit rate is about 1/32.6
After playing roulette 25 years i know that usually mine hit rate is more than 1/35 and less than say 1/28 somewhere in this range . Of course every wheel is different and many depends how big and how good data i have...

#### Jesper

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« Reply #59 on: July 10, 2019, 09:48:49 AM »
If you play straight ups with a hitrate of 1 to 33, in some years it should end up in billions.