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DrTalos

Re: Calling RouletteMan
« Reply #30 on: June 25, 2019, 05:09:20 PM »
Juice, your post is very interesting, and should start a discussion about what to look for playing this game.
  For me, I tried to reach a profit of one unit with the smallest possible balance. My reasoning was if I can win 1 unit, even if takes me 2 hours of playing, but the max exposure end up to be 20 units (just putting numbers there, to show my idea), then nothing will stop me to have a 100$ unit value. Or 500$. So let's gain 4 units a day. I think will be enough for an indestructible system that ask for 20 units, don't you think?
 

fiben7

Re: Calling RouletteMan
« Reply #31 on: June 25, 2019, 05:23:11 PM »
Hi Dr Talos,

I see you are discussing about return/risk ratio here. I believe for an investment with such high realised volatilty like roulette, a plausible and prudent return/risk ratio would be around 1/4. That means aiming at gaining 1 unit per session/day/etc. while risking losing 4 units. In money terms, aiming to profit net 100 euros per session/day/etc. while your maximum historical drawdown in your bankroll out of this strategy would be being down 400 euros on your worst session/day/etc.

Your next useful statistics would be how often you reach or are close to that 4 units max drawdown as well as what is your second and third worst max dradowns? i.e. the distribution of your drawdowns timeseries. This analysis would equip you with a comfortable bankroll/cash cushion when playing your system/strategy.

Also, your average net profit on won sessions (say 200 euros) and your average net loss on lost sessions (say 400 euros) together with your win hit ratio on total sessions (say 70% won sessions). In this example, the net average profit of your system/strategy is 200*70%+400*30%=140-120=20 euros won on average across all sessions.
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MrPerfect.

Re: Calling RouletteMan
« Reply #32 on: June 25, 2019, 05:23:45 PM »
Guys, things are easy. To prove something need just to do it. Let's take me into the account. I play vb, bias, ds..  anything l can in situations l face. Forum used to be full in such proves. I deleted most, but..  who wanted to see, they have been presented with them. Screenshots from withdrawals and deposits, reference to videos on youtube,  examples of studies with pictures.. ets. It's from wheels that up till today are in the game offered by major online casinos.
   Besides that l offered really valid way of thinking how to make valid triggers ( that make difference) , create systems that matter...ets.
  Of cause it's up to reader make sense of it, but there is ( still present) topic with genuine feedback of people who learned from me or worked with me... if it's not enough proves,  then l can not be bothered to do more.
   Now... can anyone please prove that black / red or any other outside bet has any advantage to offer in game of roulette?
  @Scepticus,  l am not interested to see you gessing between black and red. I already did my homework.
   BTW. . It's not " fishing" , it's a rescue operation.
 

MrPerfect.

Re: Calling RouletteMan
« Reply #33 on: June 25, 2019, 05:31:43 PM »
Scepticus. .. just for your information. ..
  Solaris proved to himself that your or any other " method" is a waste of time. He will be the last one from this forum whom l will bother to teach anything. It didn't work for him, l gess,  if not he wouldn't be searching me .
  It's not " fishing" Bro,  it's a rescue operation.
 
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juice

Re: Calling RouletteMan
« Reply #34 on: June 25, 2019, 06:12:20 PM »
Hello Joe,

Progressions are unfortunately unavoidable. 
BUT, that does not mean an out of control event.
There are so many ways to play with your money.
I will only play long con.
My bet selection allows me to use divisors, and more importantly the PRESS.
Flat betting is the goal, but after a loss or two in a row, you have got to go up with your bet, but there are many other moving parts that dictate when and how much.  ( seperate debate and definition of flat betting )

I play out of what I call an annuity bank.
The sole purpose of your play, ( your job ) , is to protect the bank.
By drawing an hourly wage, losses and wins become less important in the immediate future.
Any money management needs ONE thing more than any other.....
TIME TO DO WHAT IT WAS DESIGNED TO DO.
You have got to afford your given process the TIME needed to complete the mission.
This boils down to slaying the personal dragons that have killed your game in the past.
Playing full time is not about the bet you use, that should have been worked out before taking the leap.
It is about refining all the psychological kinks in your game that you have identified with but never fixed because you just didn't afford yourself enough time as a part time player.
How many times have you done horribly as soon as you sit down to play?
And what did you do?
I know what I did....
I said screw it, I'll just step off the path of my plan just this once, just to get back to the zero axis and then I'll go back on script.
Well, my butt hole is still stinging from the amount of times I got rammed hard.
It was my fault, I spit in the face of the very and only thing that could kill my bankroll, and I knew it while I was doing it.
Any player that says they have never done it is not being truthful.
So, yeah, lots of moving parts.
I could go on all day, because if you truly have good intentions for other players, you will emphasize the human element in relation to failure, not blame the game.

I only believe in playing full time if you properly funded.
We all know about the clichés , do not play with important money, scared money never wins, don't put yourself in jeopardy when it comes to gambling, blah blah blah.....

50,000$ bucks is enough to draw a 50-75$ hr wage.  Safely  ( I play larger 125/250$ hr minimum)
Play for 15/20 hrs a week.
Pay yourself NO MATTER WHAT!!!
An hour can be shorter or longer than a standard 60 minutes, don't be rigid in this respect.
Taking a decent salary and being patient will allow you to put the money back where it belongs, back in the annuity and with proper portion control, the annuity will grow.

As for how long have I been playing full time better than half a decade and in that time I have become a better player, so you are never too smart to improve.

@ Dr. Talos, yes a seperate discussion should be started. As usual I'm not even sure that we are on topic.
Micky P started this and then it just took off, off topic. Lol.
IMO, your success has been phenomenal and if it performs the way you describe there is nothing stopping you from huge chip values, even if you needed to play on live tables. I would not care how long it took to be in profit, if I were you.
Only because as you have stated, most of your games close within the first few moves.

Perhaps you can start a new thread, players seem to want your advice and enjoy your demeanor .

 
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DrTalos

Re: Calling RouletteMan
« Reply #35 on: June 25, 2019, 07:15:21 PM »
My way of find solutions is starting with questions. I don't know a better method.
  I think we do not have many ideas here, just a bunch of rocks thrown in a pond. Or in someone else faces for the fun of it.
  My point was that what you really need is to find a way to win 1 unit. If you have that you have everything you need.

Another point about MrP. I do not want to sound offensive, it is not my purpose. I always thought that if you have a winning system, or a way to win, you keep to yourself. If you try to sell it, you are not a winner. Now you are promoting your "teaching" asking people to endorse and promotes you. Nothing sounds more loser to me than that. If you get money from a casino you spend your time grabbing cash there. At least, that is what I do.
  I have conversation with people, mail, and so on and so forth. They ask directions. I will give them general indications to help them moving, find their own way. If they succeed they owns me nothing. If they fail, no one to blame. I ask no money, I give nothing but nice and polite talking.

 
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scepticus

Re: Calling RouletteMan
« Reply #36 on: June 25, 2019, 07:34:28 PM »
Mr.  Perfect .

Your view of the Nine Blocks is simplistic. The most important lesson to draw from Solaris' s tests is that they  showed that the House Edge can be beaten .  All roulette players  should welcome his conclusions .

 
« Last Edit: June 25, 2019, 07:36:10 PM by scepticus »
 
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bulow

Re: Calling RouletteMan
« Reply #37 on: June 25, 2019, 07:52:32 PM »
Hi guys!

For those saying biased wheel does not exist? come on you really believe that?. The game of roulette is all about physics i have tried both AP and system play and i can say from my own experience that AP is way better, its not like i am a millionaire from playing roulette or anything, i can just say after what Mr.p taught me i started not to loose any more and actually make a small profit every session almost. And yet i haven't sent him 1 cent or any kind of money or goods. He just told me that since i am dedicated he is happy to help me. Yes of course what you quote from these earlier roulette prof. and scientist that biased wheel does not exist today may be true since casinos are aware of that, and of course they would change certain things on the wheel so the numbers that was good in the first 2000 spin are bad in the next. But that doesn't mean that you can find a short bias in one session. It just takes more time and patience from the player to explore and more hard work, since u have to analyse everything over and over again in every session. You can't just start the new session playing same numbers or section from last session, because things might have changed. There is a wheel, and a ball the wheel is spinning and the ball is spinning, sometimes slow sometimes fast, dealer throws the ball, everything in roulette is physics, when you start seeing things this way you are one step closer to not loose anymore.

Cheers.
 
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MrPerfect.

Re: Calling RouletteMan
« Reply #38 on: June 25, 2019, 10:59:19 PM »
Bulow, no need. They just will end up hating you because you make money where they lose. Or because you say truth... None of them need knowledge how to beat the game, they prefer lie to each other and pat each other on the back for it.
  Just let them be who they are. Our existence is a pain for their beliefs system.
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MrPerfect.

Re: Calling RouletteMan
« Reply #39 on: June 25, 2019, 11:12:28 PM »
Thalos,  why lie? If you win and need no one, what you do here? You play your secret squirrel game and criticise me who is consistent. Or your advice do not apply to yourself because it's worthless?  I see no value in your advice,  in your words, your empty tolk.  Do as l did. Post screenshots from your online casino account, deposits , withdrawalls,  or go back to the hole where you came from, loser. 
 

Joe

Re: Calling RouletteMan
« Reply #40 on: June 26, 2019, 07:56:38 AM »
50,000$ bucks is enough to draw a 50-75$ hr wage.  Safely  ( I play larger 125/250$ hr minimum)
That's a sobering thought. It means to make McDonalds wages (say $10 per hour) you would need a $10,000 bankroll. What has been your largest drawdown in your years of playing?
 

juice

Re: Calling RouletteMan
« Reply #41 on: June 26, 2019, 01:16:40 PM »

@joe,

Drawdown is only one concern.
When playing for primary income, you are 100% responsible for yourself and family.
This bankroll is your lifes blood.  BUSINESS CAPITAL.
It is not just working capital, it is the way you pay yourself during times that you DO NOT work.
If you take time off, JUST LIKE NORMAL WORKERS. ( vacation, weddings, funerals, graduations,...)
If you get sick and can't work, JUST LIKE NORMAL WORKERS.
It is there to contribute to taxes and withholdings, JUST LIKE ANY LEGIT BUSINESS.
It is there to GROW YOUR CHIP SIZE, without fear and paranoia.
Make NO MISTAKE about it, it's a BUSINESS, and by approaching it any other way will result in certain doom.
IGNORE YOUR CAPITAL AND IT WILL GO AWAY, FAR FAR AWAY.

Now, in reality, if you have no more savings, i.e. Personal wealth and slush money, then you are also under funded.
Should you find yourself incapable of pulling off the transition to full time player and need to reverse coarse, that will require money as well.
TRUTH IS, I'm not telling you something that you don't already know.
I'm just reminding you ( validation ) of SOME of the things that need to be considered on a rolling daily basis.
Like I said earlier, the game will take care of itself, it's the bad habits that humans posses that need to be kept under control. You are constantly slaying that dragon.

As far as my own personal draw down, it has varied level to level, but I would put about a 10/12% float during long recovery, but most of the time my debt is cleared by day's end.
That all stems back to flat betting as much as possible and not digging a hole so deep that you need to risk too much to gain too little. ( this is the trick everybody tries to master, and few are consistant at).

If I could only give , just a small amount of advice to a potential player, it would be....FORECAST.

If you have not worked out every worse case scenario in your game in your head and on paper and given yourself the confidence to see you through the turbulence you are going to encounter, be it personal, or conditional, then DO NOT QUIT your day job.
My circumstances allowed me certain luxuries that some employed folks don't have.
Freedoms that the average persons life style doesn't afford them.
Like room to breath and TIME TO THINK. ( a very overlooked exercise )
" Thought" is free, it costs you nothing but TIME, and that is TIME well spent.
If I were you or anyone wanting to make a change, I would first schedule a long vacation and see if you can pull it off from a concentration stand point.
It might not be enough time to feel that decompression point, that I mentioned earlier, but it will allow you to have a sobering conversation with yourself to see if that type of responsibility works for you.
NOW, if the answer is YES.......
Then it becomes your OBLIGATION to live the life that other players only dream about.

Never let another person tell you that it can't be done, just because they are not capable of doing it themselves.
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Joe

Re: Calling RouletteMan
« Reply #42 on: June 26, 2019, 02:25:33 PM »
Awesome post and great advice, thanks juice.

If I could only give , just a small amount of advice to a potential player, it would be....FORECAST.

If you have not worked out every worse case scenario in your game in your head and on paper and given yourself the confidence to see you through the turbulence you are going to encounter, be it personal, or conditional, then DO NOT QUIT your day job.
Sometimes I think that being able to code my systems is a disadvantage (lol), because it always reveals more worst case scenarios. I've never coded a system which hasn't eventually tanked and never recovered. This is what stops me taking the plunge into full-time play. Maybe I'm putting too much emphasis on overcoming the house edge but I can't reconcile the basic contradiction of systems, so I guess there will always be a doubt. And while that doubt exists I'll never progress to "pro" status.

The only way to clear the doubt is to find a system which makes a consistent profit in the long run. Fortunately I enjoy the challenge and in the meantime I can still make modest profits playing recreationally.

I get the impression from some players and members of forums that they think the main obstacle is the player himself. ie it's all about discipline. I agree discipline is essential but it can't stand in for a crap system. A losing system played with iron discipline is still a losing system. Maybe, being a programmer, I have different perspective on this, because a computer "plays" with perfect discipline. It always follows the rules to the letter and never gets tired. So if the results are still poor, it must be the system itself which is at fault, not the player.
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scepticus

Re: Calling RouletteMan
« Reply #43 on: June 26, 2019, 03:51:22 PM »
I agree Juice.
FORECAST  =  Bet selection. If you don't have the winning  number in your bet you will lose .Any progression should be as small as possible.
BANKROLL - Paramount  > If you lose it you are out of the game .

 

scepticus

Re: Calling RouletteMan
« Reply #44 on: June 26, 2019, 04:40:41 PM »
Scepticus. .. just for your information. ..
  Solaris proved to himself that your or any other " method" is a waste of time. He will be the last one from this forum whom l will bother to teach anything. It didn't work for him, l gess,  if not he wouldn't be searching me .
  It's not " fishing" Bro,  it's a rescue operation.
Mr Perfect

You and Micky P consider the Nine Block as a waste  of time.
Suppose Mr Js and Kevin's 25£ stakes were used .  How long would it take them to bet  the number solaris used  . And what would the " meagre" profits be ? 

(  sorry roulette man !  ;D   )