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MickyP

4 Wheel Segments - An Idea.
« on: June 01, 2019, 10:19:18 AM »
4 WHEEL SEGMENTS.
This is nothing new but it will help players to pay attention to the wheel.
I have taken the four wheel segments and transferred them onto the felt, each allocated a different colour as you will see in the attached file. I then worked on a sequence of 182 spins which is about what can be played in one day at a B/M casino table. The number sequence is divided up in 13 different games with 14 spins per game. The reason I selected 14 spins is for tracking purposes and to force a short betting game.
I must stress that nothing is set in stone at this time. I did this small exercise using the 4 existing segments to get a feel for a possible method using them as a standard bet selection with chip outlay and returns in mind. I have also looked at combining two different segments as a possible bet selection. The combinations and the amount of numbers they cover are noted below.
 
A - BLUE
 
JEU 0
 
7 NUMBERS
 
4 CHIPS
B - GREEN
 
VOISINS DU ZERO
 
10 NUMBERS
 
6 CHIPS
C - YELLOW
 
ORPHELINS
 
8 NUMBERS
 
5 CHIPS
D - CREAM
 
TIERS DU CYLINDRE
 
12 NUMBERS
 
6 CHIPS
A + B
 
NAVY BLUE
 
17 NUMBERS
 
9 CHIPS
A + C
 
BROWN
 
15 NUMBERS
 
8 CHIPS
A + D
 
BRIGHT BLUE
 
19 NUMBERS
 
10 CHIPS
B + C
 
PURPLE
 
18 NUMBERS
 
9 CHIPS
B + D
 
RED
 
22 NUMBERS
 
11 CHIPS
C + D
 
GOLD
 
20 NUMBERS
 
11 CHIPS

The combination colours were used to see the spread on the felt.
What I did in the 13 mini games is see on what spin each segment appears and have noted this accordingly. I do know that this will vary and will be revealed in further testing if any. It’s up to you guys to see if this worth looking at and possibly developing a method out of it. My research continues.
As you see in the file, I simply played the games (no prediction or tracking used) using the segments starting from segment A, then B, C, D, and moving back to A to continue the sequence. By limiting the betting spins this alone could be played with some success.
Was a rewarding exercise to say the least. The biggest obstacle to many will be to develop an accurate method of prediction that sees a win in a minimum number of spins.
 
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Third

Re: 4 Wheel Segments - An Idea.
« Reply #1 on: June 01, 2019, 10:49:29 AM »
I cannot fathom any statistical reason why one segment will follow upon a particular other segment more often than any other segments but I know that stats can be kept for the "hottest switch" for each segment and betting could commence based on that.

I suspect that a pattern will form in all the segments, where the hottest sector will be the hottest switch for them all.
 
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thomasleor

Re: 4 Wheel Segments - An Idea.
« Reply #2 on: June 01, 2019, 03:05:20 PM »


Ideas are not reality, and much less so, a mathematical reality.

What you seem to endlessly wish throughout your many threads is a system consistent in terms of positive outcome (profitability), stability in terms of low drawdown versus periods of a balancing positive monetary gain that keeps you ahead of the variance curve, and the ability to apply it online on various roulettes offered by the casino via its rules (all against you).

Ideas here, or to be more precise, pattern-variation and its endless application, will not shake the foundation built by said entity and much less the laws of probability guiding its yearly profit curve.

A static system with the most minute rules, can never beat a dynamic system built on infinitely changing conditions. If you cannot realize this, roulette will forever remain a losing game for you - long term wise, that is.

What you need is a countermeasure that goes down deeply beneath not only the prevalent physics which you (hopefully) know, but also the ability to use this weakness, dismissed by the Casino, as a force and reality in your favor, once you manage to realize its nature.

Is this possible? Sure it is. Is it hard, demanding even harder effort to develop into a viable and applicable concept? You bet it is.

Is it worth your time? Absolutely.

Over at VRTech we solved this four years ago, and till this year it was a lot of hard work, but what I mentioned above has all been realized and proved many times over.

If we can, you can too. You just need, what the great Archimedes once said: "Give me a lever long enough, and a fulcrum to place it on, and I shall move the world".

All the best on your endeavours.
« Last Edit: June 01, 2019, 03:11:06 PM by thomasleor »
 
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MrPerfect.

Re: 4 Wheel Segments - An Idea.
« Reply #3 on: June 01, 2019, 03:14:34 PM »
Just make a simple excel to show sectors of 2, 3, 4...ets numbers moved by 1 number. Use average function or just sum up and devide by how many numbers in the sector. No need to limit yourself, see broad picture.
 
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MickyP

Re: 4 Wheel Segments - An Idea.
« Reply #4 on: June 02, 2019, 06:24:25 AM »
Thanks for the feedback. I did state in the opening post that it was an exercise to determine the feasibility of using what we have at our disposal, the already created segments that can be viewed on most scorecards.
Like the number sequence of the wheel is important to know, so to are these segments. I basically presented common knowledge in pictures to stimulate thought among players.
Thomasleor, you are right, I do look at roulette from a profit point of view and because I am all too familiar with the nature of variance I try and limit my exposure at the table. My research is based on creating my own segments to play that vary in size and position on the wheel.
This exercise can be looked at as playing segments 101.
 
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MrPerfect.

Re: 4 Wheel Segments - An Idea.
« Reply #5 on: June 02, 2019, 07:33:22 AM »
Casino is very happy with 1 number only at their favor. It's enough to pay bills, salaries,  deliveries, taxes and show profit of multi billion industry. 
   How many numbers you can permit yourself to be not presise in your calculations? They are fighting with all they got to realise that one number advantage.  Probably you are better then them in the game, so you go not give f*** about your sectors being not centered. .. few numbers to the side... who cares , right?
   
 

dobbelsteen

Re: 4 Wheel Segments - An Idea.
« Reply #6 on: June 02, 2019, 08:04:34 AM »
From mathematical point of view there is no difference between the numbers on the wheel and the numbers on the table. A historical mistake is that the wheel and the table layout does not fit. The solution is the Dutch tables .
 
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MickyP

Re: 4 Wheel Segments - An Idea.
« Reply #7 on: June 02, 2019, 08:05:49 AM »
You seem grumpy MrPerfect...lol. Without having mastered the fine art of AP techniques, I am compelled to use other forms of prediction that are not as accurate and must thus be played over a few spins and not one spin. I look to capitalize on my investment and if it means I must cover 7 numbers instead of 3 then so be it. As much as the casino has a consistent edge over the player there are several steering mechanisms that a player can use to counter the negative he constantly faces at the table.

Yesterday at the casino I walked up to a table with only one guy playing and I noticed he bet heavily on the left upper portion of the wheel but he excluded the 3 in his bets. Yup, on that spin the 3 landed and he was down two stacks. Roulette can be a bitch at the best of times.

If players get to grips with the wheel and prediction then it becomes interesting and the battle against the casino is somewhat evened out. Unfortunately, the majority of forum members and visitors do not consider the wheel as they play computer based roulette. Playing against the wheel and playing against a computer program are two different battles. The wheel (B/M tables) offers a fighting chance because prediction is still a valid way to establish what the outcome may be. Each fight should limited in spins.
 
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Re: 4 Wheel Segments - An Idea.
« Reply #8 on: June 02, 2019, 08:38:28 AM »
Yesterday at the casino I walked up to a table with only one guy playing and I noticed he bet heavily on the left upper portion of the wheel but he excluded the 3 in his bets. Yup, on that spin the 3 landed and he was down two stacks. Roulette can be extremely aggravating at the best of times.
I did something very similar to this, in an effort to save money and it happened with that "1-spin precision" too; cost me alot more instead of saving.
 
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fiben7

Re: 4 Wheel Segments - An Idea.
« Reply #9 on: June 02, 2019, 10:28:46 AM »
Dear MickyP,

Excellent work, one point from me, I believe that if you play in real automatic mechanic roulettes in a casino (and not one with a groupier) you will find much success with your methods, better than the online RNG ones.

Maybe you have already done so, just saying, for some strange reason, I believe so!

Best
 
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MickyP

Re: 4 Wheel Segments - An Idea.
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2019, 05:11:59 AM »
fiben7, I only play B/M tables.
 
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fiben7

Re: 4 Wheel Segments - An Idea.
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2019, 06:07:44 AM »
I see, apologies MickyP, my misunderstanding. Thomasleor confused me by his post.

All the best!
 

MickyP

Re: 4 Wheel Segments - An Idea.
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2019, 07:53:54 AM »
All good fiben7.

I put this in Casino Lounge as it is simply a point of discussion. The relationship between the wheel and felt is far too often ignored and so with the help of a few pictures and an example of how to play the wheel on the felt (Dobbelsteen has a good post showing this) we can explore different avenues.

I do play Hot Zones from time to time but these zones are not fixed as in the pictures in my first post.

There is much we can take from croupier spin habits and relate that info to hot zones. I see this so often when at the tables.
 
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fiben7

Re: 4 Wheel Segments - An Idea.
« Reply #13 on: June 03, 2019, 08:03:57 AM »
Well noted MickyP!

Thanks for all this sharing of your ideas and approaches in the forum, much appreciated.
 
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MrPerfect.

Re: 4 Wheel Segments - An Idea.
« Reply #14 on: June 03, 2019, 09:40:08 AM »
From mathematical point of view there is no difference between the numbers on the wheel and the numbers on the table. A historical mistake is that the wheel and the table layout does not fit. The solution is the Dutch tables .
Looks nice!!! Is there any online casino with real wheels and tables like that to try it out? 
 
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