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Third

« on: May 07, 2019, 05:41:42 PM »

1) Bet the first 4 in a row until a hit and start over; miss the first 4 bets and proceed to #2
2) Move down 1 on a loss, up 1 on a win.  Reduce bet amount to profit plus one, if possible.

DISCLAIMER: Dr. Talos in no way endorses the use of this betting tool.

FAQ

Why is this called the Talos Progression Ladder?

Because after the first 4 bets, every bet that follows is based on the 1:60 hit ratio divisor.

Can this be a foundation for an EC betting system?  I have no idea.

Initial tests are holding pretty strong...

Let's make one for the Dozens!

[INCOMING]
« Last Edit: May 07, 2019, 06:16:31 PM by Third »

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Third

Re: The Talos EC Progression Ladder
« Reply #1 on: May 07, 2019, 06:35:34 PM »

Here we move down 1 on a loss and up 2 on a win.

So I think this will be kind of a Talos Parachute, where we bet the EC's until a certain point and then switch to the Dozens to keep the bets lower...

[DS INCOMING]

The last line got cut off it is:

18...504...784

I think this is down 1 on a loss and up 5.

What's kewl about these is how we can look at our debt outstanding and then find the progression in the chart that matches our debt, for each selection on the felt.
« Last Edit: May 07, 2019, 07:17:16 PM by Third »

Third

Re: The Talos EC Progression Ladder
« Reply #2 on: May 07, 2019, 07:23:49 PM »
I am not sure a full 2/5 steps up is correct.  I think maybe we need to move up to the next progression "level", like where the bet amount lowers and then repeats.

UnlikelySam

Re: The Talos EC Progression Ladder
« Reply #3 on: May 07, 2019, 07:34:29 PM »
Third you put in alot of effort here buddy... Great job to say the least...

Third

Re: The Talos EC Progression Ladder
« Reply #4 on: May 07, 2019, 08:11:24 PM »
It seems really solid.  We just need to come up with a methodology to minimize the growth of the bets; like when to switch downward and upward on the selections.

If we use the Delayed Parachute methodology, we would move upward on a hit and downward on a miss.  We COULD play it for 60 numbers bet and count that as a miss.

So:

1) Bet EC 4 times
2) Bet DZ 5 times (starting at line 7; i.e. 15 units of debt covered by a bet of 4 units)
3) Bet DS 10 times (starting at line 17; i.e. 41 units of debt covered by a bet of 4 units)

We base all of our bets on the existing debt with each selection.

This way the Talos Divisor is now built into the parachute.  I think Sputnik will like this, if he is into divisors.

« Last Edit: May 07, 2019, 08:14:39 PM by Third »

Third

Re: The Talos EC Progression Ladder
« Reply #5 on: May 07, 2019, 08:54:20 PM »
1) Bet EC 4 times

1 2 4 8

2) Bet DZ 5 times (starting at line 7; i.e. 15 units of debt covered by a bet of 4 units)

4 5 6 8 7

3) Bet DS 10 times (starting at line 17; i.e. 41 units of debt covered by a bet of 4 units)

4 5 5 6 4 5 5 5 6 6

4) Bet Quad 15 times (starting at line 36; i.e. 88 units of debt covered by a bet of 4 units)

4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 6 5 5 5 5 5

5) Bet Street 20 times etc.

[STREETS INCOMING]
« Last Edit: May 07, 2019, 09:12:42 PM by Third »

Third

Re: The Talos EC Progression Ladder
« Reply #6 on: May 07, 2019, 09:34:10 PM »
Sorry the last one got cut off of #4:

 10 483 949

1) Bet EC 4 times

1 2 4 8

2) Bet DZ 5 times (starting at line 7; i.e. 15 units of debt covered by a bet of 4 units)

4 5 6 8 7

3) Bet DS 10 times (starting at line 17; i.e. 41 units of debt covered by a bet of 4 units)

4 5 5 6 4 5 5 5 6 6

4) Bet Quad 15 times (starting at line 36; i.e. 88 units of debt covered by a bet of 4 units)

4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 6 5 5 5 5 5

5) Bet Street 20 times (starting at line 55; i.e. 160 units of debt covered by a bet of 5 units)

5 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 6 6

6) Bet Split 30 times etc.

[SPLITS INCOMING]
« Last Edit: May 07, 2019, 09:40:24 PM by Third »

Third

Re: The Talos EC Progression Ladder
« Reply #7 on: May 07, 2019, 10:58:52 PM »
Pretty kewl.  I just played it in a fun mode RNG and never went past the DZ's and won 70 units (a full Week in the EC MM system).  This may be a way to reduce bankroll requirements for the EC MM system.

The question is, can we keep a handle on the debt without it spinning out of control?

I just ran this through a simulator and it gains a hit 99.9998% of the time, which means it only misses 1:430,749 coup attempts.

Just had a session that went to the DS' and recovered smoothly.
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Mako

Re: The Talos EC Progression Ladder
« Reply #8 on: May 08, 2019, 12:46:58 AM »
Nice Third, well thought out.  Good work. Can you post the excel file when possible so I donâ€™t have to retype it all?  Cheers

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Third

Re: The Talos EC Progression Ladder
« Reply #9 on: May 08, 2019, 01:51:13 AM »
LOL.  Yes good show.  Pip-pip cheerio!

Third

Re: The Talos EC Progression Ladder
« Reply #10 on: May 08, 2019, 06:44:29 PM »
A) Bet EC 4 times

1 2 4 8

B) Bet DZ 5 times (starting at line 7; i.e. 15 units of debt covered by a bet of 4 units)

4 5 6 8 7

C) Bet DS 10 times (starting at line 17; i.e. 41 units of debt covered by a bet of 4 units)

4 5 5 6 4 5 5 5 6 6

D) Bet Quad 15 times (starting at line 36; i.e. 88 units of debt covered by a bet of 4 units)

4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 6 5 5 5 5 5

E) Bet Street 20 times (starting at line 55; i.e. 160 units of debt covered by a bet of 5 units)

5 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 6 6

F) Bet Split 30 times (starting at line 100; i.e. 261 units of debt covered by a bet of 4 units)

4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 6 6 6 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5

G) Bet SU 60 times (starting at line 166; i.e. 410 units of debt covered by a bet of 4 units)

4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 4 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5 5

Method
1) Bet each progression A-G listed above until a hit is gained
2) Identify your debt balance, and move up one letter in the list, continuing to bet on that selection for the specified number of times (but from the new starting point)
3) Move down the A-G list on every loss and up the list on every win
4) Reduce the bet size to total debt+1 if possible
« Last Edit: May 08, 2019, 07:22:35 PM by Third »

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leowls

Re: The Talos EC Progression Ladder
« Reply #11 on: May 08, 2019, 07:58:20 PM »
Wonderful job third! I can only express my gratitude for your generosity to share your knowledge!

Would it be too troublesome for you to convert that file to .xls format as it's not compatible with my current version of office?
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UnlikelySam

Re: The Talos EC Progression Ladder
« Reply #12 on: May 08, 2019, 08:11:01 PM »
Leowls have you tried open office ; freeware or kingsoft another freebie... Try Kingsoft first as maybe open office has a different file extension although I have used it before on xlsx files

leowls

Re: The Talos EC Progression Ladder
« Reply #13 on: May 08, 2019, 08:33:59 PM »
Hi Sam thanks for the suggestions, I'll try them out when I have the time.

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Third

Re: The Talos EC Progression Ladder
« Reply #14 on: May 08, 2019, 08:56:20 PM »
No problem fellas, attached.  You must change it back to .xls on your HD.

At the moment there is an issue with the "1 win, move up selections" method of the Delayed Parachute.  It is an insufficient amount of recovery to justify the move upward.  So the rule must be changed to:

3) Move down the A-G list on every loss and up the list on every 2 wins in a row; i.e.
2 wins without losing the indicated number of bets

Furthermore, some clarification is required for when to move down the selection list:

1) Anytime the X number of losses occur in a row, move downward
2) Anytime the X number of slots have been lost, move downard

So, #2 means that if you start at line 25 on the DZ's for example and the following happens:

25 L
26 L
27 L
28 W
27 L
28 L
29 L <=== MOVE DOWNWARD

This is because slots 25, 26, 27, 28 & 29 have been lost; i.e. a total of 5 slots.
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