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MickyP

Wheel 'Hot Zone' Identification.
« on: May 02, 2019, 05:23:07 PM »
This, I think, is a very important subject that requires some attention. There is not a standard procedure to determine a hot zone on the wheel. The variables that cause these hot zone are sometimes considered as a random act and therefore can not be factored into strategic play. However hot zones appear to be more of a constant phenomenon that shifts randomly around the wheel and prediction of the shift is not an easy task.

How do you identify hot zones on the wheel?

Here is a string of numbers and as an exercise please identify possible hot zones and explain your selection. There are no wrong answers, we are looking at the power of observation only so even if an identified hot zone does not produce a win we can learn from your insight.

The 37 numbers are from left to right:

36, 24, 14, 34, 10, 1, 31, 21, 9, 7, 16, 30, 28, 23, 18, 12, 26, 25, 9, 15, 9, 12, 6, 16, 12, 22, 9, 23, 8, 36, 27, 12, 2, 6, 31, 21, 10,

Keep the numbers in this format to save space. Copy paste them into your reply and use bold or a different colours to identify your hot zone selection.

I look forward to seeing how this exercise pans out.
 
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Re: Wheel 'Hot Zone' Identification.
« Reply #1 on: May 02, 2019, 06:15:21 PM »
36, 24, 14, 34, 10, 1, 31, 21, 9A, 7, 16, 30, 28, 23B, 18, 12C, 26, 25, 9AA, 15, 9, 12CC, 6, 16, 12, 22, 9, 23BB, 8BBB, 36, 27, 12, 2, 6D, 31, 21, 10

A- 14,31,9 - potential hot zone, the subsequent 9 indicated at AA confirms to play it.
B- 10,30,23 - potential hot zone, after the 2nd 23 (BB) you might play it.
C- 7,28,12 - potential hot zone, after the 2nd 12 (CC) confirms to play it.
D- 6, 27, 6 - getting hot.

 
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Third

Re: Wheel 'Hot Zone' Identification.
« Reply #2 on: May 02, 2019, 06:19:17 PM »
36, 24, 14, 34, 10, 1, 31, 21, 9, 7, 16, 30, 28, 23, 18, 12, 26, 25, 9, 15, 9, 12, 6, 16, 12, 22, 9, 23, 8, 36, 27, 12, 2, 6, 31, 21, 10

These are the hot zones according to the wheel, according to the instructions in the OP.  They are all contiguous in sets of 3, such as:

14-31-9 <=== BET HERE FOR THE MONEY HONEY!
7-28-12
8-23-10


However, I wish to go further because I do not necessarily believe in wheel zones; in my profitable world, felt zones are just as useful/reliable, where random only cares about individual number performance and humans make zones and so:

If I am betting one number, it will be 9.  Most likely here however, I will be betting the 9-12 split in order to protect against dispersion. 

The number 16 gets an honorable mention but it has no special significance to note, other than it is the most watch worthy.


NAO, give us the spins that follow!!!
« Last Edit: May 02, 2019, 06:42:18 PM by Third »
 
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UnlikelySam

Re: Wheel 'Hot Zone' Identification.
« Reply #3 on: May 02, 2019, 06:28:26 PM »
Sometimes a picture is worth a thousand words... Lol I don't know really if this is one of those times... :-[
 
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Jake007

Re: Wheel 'Hot Zone' Identification.
« Reply #4 on: May 02, 2019, 07:13:30 PM »
Micky this is a great and unique topic. This really gets people to think. Unfortunately Im traveling right now so I cant really look into these numbers but UnlikelySams graphic sure makes things visible. So many ways to look at these numbers. Awesome. Hope to share my input next week. I think we will all have different angles of view on these numbers, so it will be quite interesting!
 
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UnlikelySam

Re: Wheel 'Hot Zone' Identification.
« Reply #5 on: May 02, 2019, 08:28:10 PM »
Ok I'm gonna give it a whack ;D

What if we divide the wheel into 6 sectors namely:

A:  2,4,15,19,21,32

B:  6,13,17,25,27,34

C : 8,10,11,23,30,36

D:  1,5,16,20,24,33

E:   9,14,18,22,29,31

F:   3,7,12,26,28,35

We will call it the 6x6 ( 6 Blocks) :D

Now from MickyP's numbers i'l denote how many times each sector hit...

A:  2,4,15,19,21,32  --- 4

B:  6,13,17,25,27,34  ---5

C : 8,10,11,23,30,36  ---8

D:  1,5,16,20,24,33  ---4

E:   9,14,18,22,29,31  ---9

F:   3,7,12,26,28,35  ---7

As we can see the 4 hottest sectors are B, C , E, F

Now once again the Million dollar question is how can we Capitalize on all this  :P ::)

That's 24 numbers in total  :o ...

To Quote Third  " Give us the spins that follow!!!" ;) 

*** Even if we take the 2 hottest sectors C and E that's 12 numbers :-\  So what if we just take the hottest sector of em all ;???   Third's  14-31-9 <=== BET HERE FOR THE MONEY HONEY!
« Last Edit: May 02, 2019, 08:41:21 PM by UnlikelySam »
 
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Third

Re: Wheel 'Hot Zone' Identification.
« Reply #6 on: May 02, 2019, 08:49:02 PM »
Great job Sam!  You are on the right track!

In reality, I think best selection is the 9-12 split but since we are focused on the wheel, I think from THAT grouping-method, the sector I identified is the hottest but the downside is that we must also bet 14 and 31 which are not performing as well as the 12 which we must(??) ignore.

See the problem?

So I say, forget the wheel, take advantage of the felt and the two hottest numbers, 9-12.  I can bet that with only a single chip, get 17 spins at a single unit each.  If I was a betting man, I would actually bet extra on those two numbers; very good chances that at least one of them comes in within the next 25-30 spins.
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MickyP

Re: Wheel 'Hot Zone' Identification.
« Reply #7 on: May 02, 2019, 09:36:07 PM »
Guys, thanks for a great kick start to this thread. All the posts are very revealing and as Jake states, "it really gets people to think".

I didn't pose too many questions because I was afraid players might not engage in the exercise. Of all the people who did respond to this point I knew Third would definitely respond. This is the result of getting to know Third and anticipating his input. The results from a roulette wheel can be read in pretty much the same way... I recall another thread "The Secret Is In The Numbers"; was a good exercise.

Now, I found Wantmetotry presented a clear analysis of his play and by the looks of it there was a clear focus on finding a hot zone to play.
36, 24, 14, 34, 10, 1, 31, 21, 9A, 7, 16, 30, 28, 23B, 18, 12C, 26, 25, 9AA, 15, 9, 12CC, 6, 16, 12, 22, 9, 23BB, 8BBB, 36, 27, 12, 2, 6D, 31, 21, 10

A- 14,31,9 - potential hot zone, the subsequent 9 indicated at AA confirms to play it.
B- 10,30,23 - potential hot zone, after the 2nd 23 (BB) you might play it.
C- 7,28,12 - potential hot zone, after the 2nd 12 (CC) confirms to play it.
D- 6, 27, 6 - getting hot.


All four Hot Zones consist of only three numbers. Why? How many spins would you play per hot zone and again, Why?

The first potential play occurs after 19 spins. From identifying "A" as a hot zone it takes a further 10 spins for confirmation to play. Do you not think this area would have cooled off without a number in the vicinity showing during these ten "waiting spins"?

I see a lot of activity on the left hand side of the wheel dripping down to the bottom. Let me put some restrictions on the sequence of numbers and you are to play these numbers as a session with a win goal of 20 units. When you have reached your win goal you close shop and move to another table for session two.
Here are the numbers again...

36, 24, 14, 34, 10, 1, 31, 21,9, 7, 16, 30, 28, 23, 18, 12, 26, 25, 9, 15, 9, 12, 6, 16, 12, 22, 9, 23, 8, 36, 27, 12, 2, 6, 31, 21, 10,

To me the 24 and 14 indicate a potential hot zone that may develop. The green 10 has me watching the bottom but the red 1 swings my attention back up so I wait for one more number to confirm; the red 31 confirms I should play up. Including and between the 24 and 31 there are  7 numbers to play. I will include two number on either side of this zone so I will play  from 10 to 22 making it 11 numbers in my potential hot zone. On my second spin I have a hit on the 9 and this gives me a profit of 14 so I continue the game and get another hit two spins later on 16. This gives me another 14 units profit which brings my total to 28 units profit. 20 units banked for the session and 8 units to the surplus fund. Was I right to continue play after the first hit? What do you think?

Moving forward; between and including the 9 and the 12 there are 7 numbers and again if you shifted the hot zone up you would have had a hit on the third spin then the second spin then the first spin.  The blue 9 would be the first number in identifying this hot zone followed by the red 28, 18, and 12.

The first hot zone was identified in 6 spins and the second one identified in 8 spins. It is important to have a cluster of hits in a particular area over a few spins. I would say not more than a total of 9 spins. 4 hits in an area over a few spins should draw your attention.

This particular string of numbers gave a wide zone to play and I used this to demonstrate the flexibility of identifying a potential hot zone. I would normally not play such a wide range even if I had the bankroll to cover it. I possibly would not include the two numbers on either side and only playing a zone of 7 numbers in which case I would only have had a hit on spin 4 giving me a profit of 8 units. I would then move my attention to the next hot zone and would have made a profit of 15 units on the third spin giving a total of 23 units for the session.

This leads me to another question: How many spins do you bet on after you have identified a hot zone? Remember: hot zones can chop and change as we have seen above.

I have given the basic parameters of hot zone identification but I think this can be improved upon. My rules are not set in stone and I use other criteria to determine the viability of a hot zone like ball spin direction and croupier actions.

The second sequence of 37 numbers for you to work on is as follows:

7, 16, 25, 1, 35, 5, 34, 36, 35, 2, 7, 0, 25, 29, 33, 7, 4, 22, 22, 6, 7, 20, 19, 28, 35, 4, 10, 26, 36, 17, 33, 25, 3, 6, 30, 0, 3,

PS I was busy with this post and see that UnlikelySam and Third have posted so I'll play catch up in a while.

 
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MickyP

Re: Wheel 'Hot Zone' Identification.
« Reply #8 on: May 02, 2019, 09:55:16 PM »
Sam, what you could do is limit your hot zone to 6 numbers and enjoy the flexibility of moving the 6 number hot zone to any area on the wheel.
Question: How many numbers constitutes a hot zone?
I say from 3 to 8 numbers is fine to work with?

Third, you are looking at repeater/hot numbers which is a good approach. There are 7 numbers between and including the 9 and 12. This was the second hot zone I identified.

Interesting mix of ideas and opinions.  :)
 
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Third

Re: Wheel 'Hot Zone' Identification.
« Reply #9 on: May 03, 2019, 12:13:05 AM »
I begin betting once a selection shows that it is in the Law of the Third Repeater category; this can differ based on the selection involved.  This particular output began unusually by showing 18 uniques, not too common. I would have started betting the 9 on the 19th spin and would have been quite well rewarded.  The 12 is definitely an option ongoing but I can't be sure if I would have actually bet it for more than 2-3 spins because the 9 hit again.
 
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Greek

Re: Wheel 'Hot Zone' Identification.
« Reply #10 on: May 03, 2019, 03:51:43 AM »
Here's the problem I have with this type of analysis. Data is collected, categorized, and ultimately identified as hot zones, all done at the comfort of a computer.

The reality is the player is sitting at a live table. Of course, prior to sitting down to play, the player has to make quick analysis to determine what numbers to play, before they sit down and play. So, the player buys in and executes his strategy before the "no more bets" announcement is declared. The spin data comes in quickly and each time the player has to decide, in a few seconds, what to bet next, especially when the hot zones go cold.

Unless the player has a sure fire way to identify every single position of each number in relation to the wheel head, playing "Hot Zones" on a live situation will be somewhat of a challenge. When the player understands that hot zones are irrelevant, only then can the player be in tune with the nature of randomness. "Fixed" random selection is the key to beating roulette.
 
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UnlikelySam

Re: Wheel 'Hot Zone' Identification.
« Reply #11 on: May 03, 2019, 06:25:41 AM »
Yes it is a great topic and quite thought provoking to say the least to get the Novice player to step it up a notch or 3 ... Thanks MickyP as now its clear to see for everyone how how this thread is tying in with the Alternating Dozens thread regarding using the  "hot" sectors analysis you spoke about there...

Greek I understand what you mean and agree with certain aspects . At the same token apart from what you have  said ; a further typical example - with all the hustle and bustle of a busy table sometimes just trying to get your chips on the table consumes the already limited time available. I have more thoughts with regards to what you mentioned but will leave the honour to the OP MickyP to comment further...

Regards

Sam.
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petespin

Re: Wheel 'Hot Zone' Identification.
« Reply #12 on: May 03, 2019, 07:19:19 AM »
Mickeyp and guys here the question is u will find the EXACT same sequence?  Definitely not!  The problem is how to act AFTER this sequence and how to predict the future spins , unless u re not familiar with AP you can not ! In addition  if u re in a position to find predictable patterns then casinos would  be  out of job! btw if I would play in this session I'll beat em using finales system I used to play sometimes .
 

UnlikelySam

Re: Wheel 'Hot Zone' Identification.
« Reply #13 on: May 03, 2019, 08:18:24 AM »
Pete lol I see what you mean about the Finales En Plein system ; with MickyP's numbers it would have been a killer sequence on the 1st 8 numbers... Thereafter I'm not sure ; but the profits would have been there to quit. Nice...
 

petespin

Re: Wheel 'Hot Zone' Identification.
« Reply #14 on: May 03, 2019, 08:21:57 AM »
It's really good for everyone to study the game , but u 'll never forget that in every spin there are 37 possible outcomes or Better a dozen would disappear or appear many times in a row , I mean u better use random to beat random this is almost the only way to beat roulette at constant basis .