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Stratege

Re: Growing/Evolving as a Roulette Player.
« Reply #75 on: March 15, 2019, 07:56:17 PM »

MickyP, I announced yesterday that I will leave your discussion. You do not want to discuss this theme of your "Alembert variant". No pronounced sentence, nothing to suggest that there is a reality behind your claim on this advantageous variant, really nothing! If I ask you also "how can you justify your choice of a goal gain of 90 units? I still know that you have not done any tests on this subject. At this stage of the discussion, you only have a vulgar register to express yourself.

You speak of a goal of victory ? A player tries to reach his average gain as quickly as possible (to make his time profitable and move away from the negative variance - or "black swan" not on his selection but on his accounting). To get there, the more the player will play, the more he will meet that average. It is therefore not when returning home, some gains in pocket, that a player will "make his average". It does the opposite, it pushes back in time "its average goal"!

Review of MickyP's claims : you preach the fatality of the loss of its funds. You turn it into a healthy experience to find a winning game. Then, you say that a progression derived from d'Alembert improves "your" winning methods, I demonstrated that it was impossible, but no response from you! Finally, you have a "goal gain" that does not correspond to a logical and rational practice with winning method ! No answer, either, about it. You say things but we cannot discuss them.

You want to animate a topic for the players to grow and evolve, but they will have to believe MickyP without arguing. It is unfortunate that a member of this forum presents himself as an accomplished winning player, but his messages tell indisputable things (as in any sectarian chapel). I prefer the message of Palestis with its 6 steps. He gets wet a little more. I will answer on this subject that stage 1 is too often insurmountable for the players. But to take this step is like accessing another world.  ::)
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MickyP

Re: Growing/Evolving as a Roulette Player.
« Reply #76 on: March 15, 2019, 10:49:31 PM »
Stratege, at least you have slacked up a bit on your dribble infested sermons we have become so accustomed to. And I see your congregation of one supports you like a loyal wife; what a snowflake. I have also taken note of the fact that you have made a point of studying my threads and posts across the forum. What surprises me is that you present yourself as an intelligent person and you emphasize this point in your posts but yet you harp on the dumbest things that should be so easy to understand like goal setting as a guide to better game management.

I know you are not interested in me actually answering your questions because the answers are already posted and explained on this forum but I am going to presume you are somewhat of a slow learner and explain some things again.

I am a goal driven Roulette player. Everything I do revolves around the attainment of my set goals. Although time is an important commodity, I have learnt through experience that I can not rush the game of roulette. I set aside enough time in a day to reach my 45% of bankroll gain goal (90 units). This grand total I will divide into 8 sessions with a session gain goal of 12 units (rounded off to higher number). That gives me one hour per session to make 12 units. I have the advantage of time to observe a table long enough to decide which one of my methods I will use for that session. Because I play 35-1 and 17-1 odds covering 8 or less numbers, I mostly end a session in less than 10 spins with an excess win that is banked separately. Why do I do this? To better manage inevitable losses. I may play only 5 sessions and the target wins (60 units) plus the excess wins (30+) will give me my daily goal. BUT… I don’t normally do this, I press on to complete 8 sessions giving me 90 units and the excess wins are all banked separately and carried over to the next day. An accumulation of excess wins is a great morale booster as it confirms the method is working as it should.
An example of using a progression: If I encounter a loss over 15 spins of staggered play using a progression (variants I use flatten the progressions and only playing a few numbers helps to minimize chip outlay) I will chalk it up as a lost session and begin a new session in the same manner I begin the first session. I have enough time during allocated play time to see exactly where I stand and what I need to do to reach my goal. I usually have enough excess wins to nullify the loss with chips to spare.
It’s just a very basic, logical and rationally thought out money management approach that helps me greatly in maintaining my success.

You did not demonstrate that it is impossible to be successful with the variants (there are more than one that I use) of the D’ Alembert progression that I use. How could you if you don’t even know how to apply them?

The “fatality of loss” as you call it occurs in the game because of “unstable” prediction methods. Unlike AP prediction methods, system/strategy prediction methods lag in accuracy and need to be compensated for in the method used. I am sure you must be aware of this fact.

PMS, you will not wear me down. I see guys like you at the tables on a regular basis and smile when I hear them squealing about rigged wheels, blaming the casino for their own stupidity.

Well, I have given you a fair amount of homework to do so get to it.
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scepticus

Re: Growing/Evolving as a Roulette Player.
« Reply #77 on: March 16, 2019, 12:09:00 AM »
Stratege
You are on a loser argung with Mickyboy ;;er...Micky P.  Many, including myself , have found that he changes  his story when criticised .

An example .He first says that he uses the D'Alembert strategy and, when challenged  , changes it to a " version of D;Alembert " . No experienced player would make  so many errors as he does .
p.s.
He doesn't like it when you DON'T  answer him  He likes an argument and gets irritated when he has no one to argue with ! ;D   

pps
Yes ! I saw you wifie !  >:(
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Third

Re: Growing/Evolving as a Roulette Player.
« Reply #78 on: March 16, 2019, 04:01:45 AM »
It is therefore not when returning home, some gains in pocket, that a player will "make his average". It does the opposite, it pushes back in time "its average goal"!

I happily trade a uncertain future for an certain present and I do it every day that I play! :D

Regardless of macro statistics that apply to our long-term balance sheet, the cumulative probability in our micro sessions is still tied specifically to each individual session through the features of the statistical output and when we start up another session, the statistical output in that session WILL be different; the only exception being if we were to return to the same physical wheel. 
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MickyP

Re: Growing/Evolving as a Roulette Player.
« Reply #79 on: March 16, 2019, 04:52:26 AM »
Stratege
You are on a loser argung with Mickyboy ;;er...Micky P.  Many, including myself , have found that he changes  his story when criticised .

An example .He first says that he uses the D'Alembert strategy and, when challenged  , changes it to a " version of D;Alembert " . No experienced player would make  so many errors as he does .
p.s.
He doesn't like it when you DON'T  answer him  He likes an argument and gets irritated when he has no one to argue with ! ;D   

pps
Yes ! I saw you wifie !  >:(

Septic, this is exactly what liberal snowflakes do; accuse the aggressor (anyone who disagrees with them) of the wrongs they commit; dishonesty being a common trait among their many flaws. You are a liar. I have called you out many times for changing your words that changed the meaning of what you have originally stated. You fail to explain yourself and ignore the situation hoping it will go away; that's why I call you a snowflake because you buckle under pressure. This is a weakness of character and you wear that badge so proudly.

I stick to and agree with my stated words that I use the D' Alembert progression (not strategy) and even if I use a variant (D'Alembert changed slightly or watered down using a matrix to suit my method or the reverse meaning the positive variant) it remains a D'Alembert progression.
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Stratege

Re: Growing/Evolving as a Roulette Player.
« Reply #80 on: March 16, 2019, 09:54:13 AM »

Scepticus, I read in your topic your message about a member who said come on this forum to learn and then, as if by magic, he had winning methods. Yes, I have seen these word changes to stay in the elusive. But some numbers often have phenomenal power in front of claims that are not logical. I agree, what characterizes an experienced player is his precision when he speaks. And the type of error committed in a message informs a lot about the level of the player who expresses himself.  :o

Third, this uncertainty that you mention is perhaps a stage, then there would be certainties ? It's part of our evolution (it's anthropological). We move from certainty to doubt, before re-cycling. Christ (the son of God) had faith, and the last word of Jesus (man) was "My God why did you abandon me ? ". Doubt carries the questioning process. If we never doubt, we are God, Perfection. Hazard is not perfect, because perfection can not evolve anymore. Hazard always produces novelty, so it remains imperfect, so flaws exist. What the saying in the second part of your message would require a longer explanation. What is important is the psychological comfort. If a player thinks it's better to change tables after winning a session, it's better that he changes. Of course, if we had a very positive wave on a table, then it is better to run away from this table so as not to make our abnormal gains to the probabilities. It is precisely according to these abnormal phases that we can vary "a little" our bets, to win finally in two different ways: with the positive expectation of our method, and with the movements of the game.

Growing up and evolving goes through this process "certainty-doubt" so I look forward to continuing the discussion on this topic, because I still have some doubts …  :-\
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MickyP

Re: Growing/Evolving as a Roulette Player.
« Reply #81 on: March 16, 2019, 11:09:05 AM »

MickyPHero Member
Re: Small wins per session
« Reply #14 on: November 09, 2017, 07:11:05 PM »

Quote from: Reyth on November 09, 2017, 01:06:24 PMhttps://www.roulettelife.com/index.php?topic=919.msg13459#msg13459

Small consistent gains become very large over multiple sessions with minimized risk overall because its a parlay MM.

I actually was successful using this one time but my method wasn't consistent enough.



"Thanks for the guidance Reyth. A very good thread as it runs parallel to the self funding concept of the bankroll management in my post.

I did not go into much detail in my post as spoon feeding leads to laziness. With my concept bankroll is doubled during the third day.

Betting on even chance in South Africa can be expensive. The lowest unit value is R10.00 and outside bets are R100.00 minimum with a table max of R2000.00. Betting High/Low on the double streets helps to reduce the bet outlay. Martingale is a steep progression at any time. I use D'Alembert and variations of it, at times with a matrix. I know it slows the progress of the game but at least I play with a steady pulse."


The post quoted above is taken from my first thread on this forum. Take note of the text I have highlighted in red text.
In this same thread I state that I have been earning a living from roulette for the past two years (from that time).
I present true facts posted on this forum. Take note of the consistency of my word. The framework for my roulette business remains the same because it has and continues to work for me,
Seems PMS and Septic are on a Witch Hunt for something/anything to discredit me with. Typical snowflake behavior...lol
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scepticus

Re: Growing/Evolving as a Roulette Player.
« Reply #82 on: March 16, 2019, 11:33:36 AM »
Thanks Stratege

It is worth noting that 100 Rands is worth about 5 . 5 UK  £. and Micky cannot afford that . He bets 10Rwhich is about er..er.. OH ! Where is my calculator !

 

MickyP

Re: Growing/Evolving as a Roulette Player.
« Reply #83 on: March 16, 2019, 11:58:45 AM »
Septic, how does my truth measure up to your lie?
Did I change from D' Alembert "strategy" to variations of D' Alembert "progression" as you so confidently stated? (LIE) You are caught out and so you shift the focus. Pretty Fu*ken Pathetic!

Cost of living differs from country to country. My daily bankroll is just a little less than current minimum wage in this country.

Shows how narrow minded you are. It also shows how desperate you are to find something/anything to bring me down with. Hahaha.....Carry on Snowflake.
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scepticus

Re: Growing/Evolving as a Roulette Player.
« Reply #84 on: March 16, 2019, 01:01:31 PM »
 I use D'Alembert and variations of it, at times with a matrix. I know it slows the progress of the game but at least I play with a steady pulse
.Micky P

Usual lack of consistency, but , hey , I lie ! >:(
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MickyP

Re: Growing/Evolving as a Roulette Player.
« Reply #85 on: March 16, 2019, 02:01:43 PM »
YES you LIED, you fabricated an UNTRUTH to try and discredit me. The D'Alembert remains the foundation of that specific progression I used and continue to use.
If I chopped and changed my tune you may have had grounds for an argument but sadly your pants are still around your ankles.

I have improved and added new methods to my play but I will not change a working successful approach in its entirety. As long as I am able to reach my goals with what I do then I am happy. However, I learn and continue to learn from others and from from my own efforts.
I stated in the same post I referenced above: "I did not go into much detail in my post as spoon feeding leads to laziness." And you bitch because I don't give enough. Work it out for yourself, Do the work!

Septic you are a loser in my eyes, a snowflake.
 

scepticus

Re: Growing/Evolving as a Roulette Player.
« Reply #86 on: March 16, 2019, 02:12:11 PM »
The D'Alembert remains the foundation of that specific progression I used and continue to use.Micky P ;D ;D ;D ;D
 

Third

Re: Growing/Evolving as a Roulette Player.
« Reply #87 on: March 16, 2019, 10:36:24 PM »
Christ (the son of God) had faith, and the last word of Jesus (man) was "My God why did you abandon me ? ".

This is Our Lord expressing his greatest sorrow that all men are unable to be saved, despite His omnipotence, because not all men are willing to be saved.

Also, this was not His last Word, which was: "It is finished".  This was the accomplishment of the salvation of all men that were willing and the damnation of the rest.

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Of course, if we had a very positive wave on a table, then it is better to run away from this table so as not to make our abnormal gains to the probabilities. It is precisely according to these abnormal phases that we can vary "a little" our bets, to win finally in two different ways: with the positive expectation of our method, and with the movements of the game.

Very interesting.  This is our human attempt to improve our results, much in the same way we apply a bet selection.

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Growing up and evolving goes through this process "certainty-doubt" so I look forward to continuing the discussion on this topic, because I still have some doubts …  :-\

How can we not doubt when we clearly see that all of our efforts appear to have no effect upon the long-term outcome!?  I think the key is to continue to postpone that long-term outcome as long as we can, in as many ways as we can, such as:

1) Long-term bankroll management
2) Bet selection
3) Stop loss
4) Stop win
5) Session debt management (divisor, banking etc.)

I wish I could believe completely what Dobble says:

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Long-term sessions do not have the same statistical features as short-term sessions and therefore by playing a strategy which utilizes short-term sessions, we will not have the same long-term statistical features of long-term sessions.

I wonder how he proved this theorem?
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scepticus

Re: Growing/Evolving as a Roulette Player.
« Reply #88 on: March 17, 2019, 12:07:51 AM »
Third
I think that what Dobbel means is that  since no one knows how long the Long Term is then no one can compute  it .  Seems logical to me .
Those of us who have been betting for some time know that " The Run from Hell " can come all too SOON rather than  " EVENTUALLY  "  and  know there is no " Certainty " in any  form of gambling .
As for " Supreme Beings " it seems to me that they get the credit for all the good in the world and mankind gets  the blame for all the bad things in the world . Seems unfair to me .   
 

Third

Re: Growing/Evolving as a Roulette Player.
« Reply #89 on: March 17, 2019, 12:26:55 AM »
Dobble defines the long-term for each bet selection.  He says that the long-term for a straight up bet is over a million spins!  :o