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#### Crazy K

##### 1/60 ratio?
« on: February 10, 2019, 03:18:10 PM »
Hi everyone. I have a generic question: What is 1/60 ratio? DrTalos talked a lot about it and seems like I'm missing something here.

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#### vitorwally

##### Re: 1/60 ratio?
« Reply #1 on: February 10, 2019, 03:29:16 PM »
I need to reach a ratio of 1/60, roughly, between the hits and the numbers played. I can wait for that. Sometimes I need to play more than 1200 numbers to get 18/20 hits. But, most of the time, 250 numbers are enough to get 4 hits, and close the game.

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#### Crazy K

##### Re: 1/60 ratio?
« Reply #2 on: February 10, 2019, 05:56:14 PM »
How can this result in a profit? Ever mentioned?
« Last Edit: April 24, 2019, 10:36:06 PM by kav »

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#### vitorwally

##### Re: 1/60 ratio?
« Reply #3 on: February 10, 2019, 09:55:59 PM »
DrTalos never explained in detail how he applies the ratio.

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#### Third

##### Re: 1/60 ratio?
« Reply #4 on: February 11, 2019, 05:34:51 AM »
The principle is that expectation is 1:35 and to be able to close a game every time one hits 1:60 (or better e.g. 1:45 etc.) is quite a feat.

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#### Crazy K

##### Re: 1/60 ratio?
« Reply #5 on: February 11, 2019, 08:50:33 AM »
The principle is that expectation is 1:35 and to be able to close a game every time one hits 1:60 (or better e.g. 1:45 etc.) is quite a feat.

Thank you Third. What is this principal based on? Can you give me an example? Is it something related to the system or the game (like 65/135 pseudo-rule)?

#### Third

##### Re: 1/60 ratio?
« Reply #6 on: February 11, 2019, 09:34:14 AM »
If you check the minimum appearances of an EC, you will see that 1:60 is slightly better.  Talos chose 1:60 because it was the maximum he could afford comfortably.  He first chose lower ratios (like say 1:45 or 1:55) before he finally settled on 1:60.

The ratio determines how many misses we can take before a divisor bet-sizing reduction kicks in.  The higher the ratio, the greater chance of closing the game without exceeding it.  The ratio system tracks negative variance, lowering the bet sizing as the negative variance grows and raising the bet sizing as negative variance shrinks (positive variance kicks in).

Talos' debt recovery system is what you are looking for to recover your debt in multiple chunks.  It is a premier banking system.
« Last Edit: February 11, 2019, 09:43:10 AM by Third »

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#### Crazy K

##### Re: 1/60 ratio?
« Reply #7 on: February 11, 2019, 09:56:52 AM »
If you check the minimum appearances of an EC, you will see that 1:60 is slightly better.  Talos chose 1:60 because it was the maximum he could afford comfortably.  He first chose lower ratios (like say 1:45 or 1:55) before he finally settled on 1:60.

The ratio determines how many misses we can take before a divisor bet-sizing reduction kicks in.  The higher the ratio, the greater chance of closing the game without exceeding it.  The ratio system tracks negative variance, lowering the bet sizing as the negative variance grows and raising the bet sizing as negative variance shrinks (positive variance kicks in).

Talos' debt recovery system is what you are looking for to recover your debt in multiple chunks.  It is a premier banking system.

Thanks again. Is there any other examples of using ratio in a system, except for DrTalos, that I can study to learn more?

#### Third

##### Re: 1/60 ratio?
« Reply #8 on: February 11, 2019, 10:39:23 AM »
The ratio system is unique to Dr. Talos AFAIK.  The key is to combine the ratio with the Lanky divisor system, which you have seen here:

https://www.roulettelife.com/index.php/topic,1016.msg22521.html#msg22521

We start out with a divisor of 1 until we have bet a total of 60 numbers and then the divisor becomes 2, etc.

I personally use different ratios; i.e. not just 1:60.  Sometimes, I don't even use a ratio; I just use a divisor to control my bet sizing (safety brake).  During times of extreme hazard (rare but they do occur), I will also use the Ahlcon banking on top of the divisor.

I think the Talos wisdom of "not accepting a system that allows for a loss" makes a great deal of sense, in that we should address as much of the debt in our current  session as possible.  Talos understood about long-term, macro variance.
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#### Crazy K

##### Re: 1/60 ratio?
« Reply #9 on: February 11, 2019, 10:42:20 AM »
The ratio system is unique to Dr. Talos AFAIK.  The key is to combine the ratio with the Lanky divisor system, which you have seen here:

https://www.roulettelife.com/index.php/topic,1016.msg22521.html#msg22521

Correct me if I'm wrong, the divisor goes to 3 when a sum of 180 numbers played and no hit.

And what happens when wins hit? Same as Lanky's Divisor method?
« Last Edit: February 11, 2019, 10:45:51 AM by Crazy K »

#### Third

##### Re: 1/60 ratio?
« Reply #10 on: February 11, 2019, 01:02:14 PM »
Correct on the 3 ratio and 180 numbers, if you are using a 60 ratio.  On a hit, the divisor goes down 1 because the ratio must be fulfilled so that the game ends (the debt is fully recovered) when the ratio hits 60:1 (180:3, etc).

#### Jake007

##### Re: 1/60 ratio?
« Reply #11 on: April 24, 2019, 09:24:10 PM »
I hope people wrote this down. Its gold.

The ratio system tracks negative variance, lowering the bet sizing as the negative variance grows and raising the bet sizing as negative variance shrinks (positive variance kicks in).

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