It doesn't lose (HG)

[mr j]

In response to my last post. Been thinking about this,,,,,, if you have a HG (cough) or a system that doesn't lose, shouldn't that *ONLY* be based on starting your bets immediately instead of WAITING (triggers) for something or virtual or a progression etc.? Using parameters as rules does NOT make what you have a HG.

>>> Anyone starting at any point would win, using something that doesn't lose <<<

[scepticus]

Mr J -  I don't think that anyone has a system / method that doesn't lose at some point . If you mean that it doesn't lose overall then you yourself said that you were an " overall winner " .
You also said that you " waited " for a number to fill your street so you do use a trigger .
So woiuld you think a bit more , ken , and tell us just what youreally  do mean ?
 

[mr j]

"You also said that you " waited " for a number to fill your street so you do use a trigger" >> Wrong. Do me a favor. Anytime I post something, book mark it for yourself please. Look again at what a trigger ACTUALLY is, I posted it somewhere. I dont need to find it, you do. I'm all that matters and dont forget it.

Instead of,,,,,you you you you Ken, why not focus on >> if you fall under this statement >> Anyone starting at any point would win, using something that doesn't lose.
and yes, doesn't lose, meaning OVERALL.

[scepticus]

ken
I " wait" and I win " overall"

 So you are claiming that you " start right away " ?

No point in bookmarking your posts .  The last time i did that you said that was what you used to do but not now. The trouble with you ken is that you are not specific butleave yourself "wriggle room " .

And Boy- aren't you the sensitive one  !

[mr j]

When I tell you to do something, you do it. Period.

[GIAJJENNO]

When I tell you to do something, you do it. Period.

Can I ask that when, and how you started playing roulette, and how you found your way of playing like you play today?

I asked politely please answer politely, thanks.

[Mako]

In response to my last post. Been thinking about this,,,,,, if you have a HG (cough) or a system that doesn't lose, shouldn't that *ONLY* be based on starting your bets immediately instead of WAITING (triggers) for something or virtual or a progression etc.? Using parameters as rules does NOT make what you have a HG.

>>> Anyone starting at any point would win, using something that doesn't lose <<<

I am quickly reaching your conclusion. 

It's taken a lot of test results to get there, but after you do millions of actual spins from legitimate/un-biased wheels testing nearly everything under the sun, you find that triggers in nearly every instance don't affect the outcome any more than not waiting for the trigger.

I will put a caveat in my comment about palestis, who I have no doubt does as well as he says he does when he and his group play, using some extremely trigger-heavy methods.

But for me personally I haven't been able to replicate trigger-based positive results in my testing. 

I always let the results determine my future path, simply because I'm a novice in the game.  I don't have the right, or experience, or previous winnings, to say "you're wrong and I know better" to a block of data that shows something I'm attempting with triggers isn't working.

And so far, no trigger-based system has passed the controls I have in place for a testing environment.  Not John Legend's Pattern Breaker routine, or Palestis' single dozen method, or any of 100+ of Ignatus' best work (love you Iggy, keep going!).

The longer I test, the smarter Ken looks...how scary is that. 

[Greek]

In response to my last post. Been thinking about this,,,,,, if you have a HG (cough) or a system that doesn't lose, shouldn't that *ONLY* be based on starting your bets immediately instead of WAITING (triggers) for something or virtual or a progression etc.? Using parameters as rules does NOT make what you have a HG.

>>> Anyone starting at any point would win, using something that doesn't lose <<<

Absolutely, no triggers, no waiting, just start betting, and win.

[GIAJJENNO]

In response to my last post. Been thinking about this,,,,,, if you have a HG (cough) or a system that doesn't lose, shouldn't that *ONLY* be based on starting your bets immediately instead of WAITING (triggers) for something or virtual or a progression etc.? Using parameters as rules does NOT make what you have a HG.

>>> Anyone starting at any point would win, using something that doesn't lose <<<

Absolutely, no triggers, no waiting, just start betting, and win.

By right of something you must place bets...

[mr j]

"I always let the results determine my future path, simply because I'm a novice in the game.  I don't have the right, or experience, or previous winnings, to say "you're wrong and I know better">> VERY REFRESHING !!!
Another point I want to add that MIGHT be missing >> Your results, thats not including "XXX" system not being playable under all B&M conditions. You/we have not even FACTORED that into the mix.

A) Must pass extensive testing AND all skipped spins (waiting) must be factored into the HOURLY net results.
B) Must be playable under all B&M conditions.
Both of these points combined along with the proper BR (no budget players) and proper AVAILABLE time to play, you can eliminate 93% of everything on this message board. People get mad at me because of the truth, sorry.

[mr j]

"I always let the results determine my future path, simply because I'm a novice in the game.  I don't have the right, or experience, or previous winnings, to say "you're wrong and I know better">> VERY REFRESHING !!!
Another point I want to add that MIGHT be missing >> Your results, thats not including "XXX" system not being playable under all B&M conditions. You/we have not even FACTORED that into the mix.

A) Must pass extensive testing AND all skipped spins (waiting) must be factored into the HOURLY net results.
B) Must be playable under all B&M conditions.
Both of these points combined along with the proper BR (no budget players) and proper AVAILABLE time to play, you can eliminate 93% of everything on this message board. People get mad at me because of the truth, sorry.

If you cant make a living solely from your system/method, you have NOTHING.

[palestis]

It's taken a lot of test results to get there, but after you do millions of actual spins from legitimate/un-biased wheels testing nearly everything under the sun, you find that triggers in nearly every instance don't affect the outcome any more than not waiting for the trigger.

The trigger is only a part of a system.
There is a lot more to it besides the trigger.
Without a trigger you play randomly. At the end,  the loss will equal the HE. (That is if the B/R can withstand those big losses, that make it impossible to continue towards the long run financially and psychologically).
A trigger is simply a signal to commence betting that has proven to bring positive results, within a specific range of bets,  the majority of the time.
But most players ignore that range, because they think progression will take care of everything.
When they run into the black swan they wonder what happened.
An experienced player incorporates defense mechanisms in his system, to avoid head on collision with the black swan, usually associated with a very high progression level.
A system is not just a trigger and progression for a number of spins.
It requires constant evaluation, and judgment that only comes with long term experience with the specific system's behavior. 

[mr j]

I have *ZERO* issues if you use a trigger but you do *NOT* gain or lose a thing. The results will be the same but actually a bit less (using it) because you have implemented the WAITING factor which must be included in your overall hourly NET.

[mr j]

https://www.roulettelife.com/index.php/topic,2417.0.html << Again next week, some other nut will ask me what a trigger is and that I use them (rofl). Bookmark my posts or lose at the casino. Its that simple.

[MickyP]

>>> Anyone starting at any point would win, using something that doesn't lose <<<

A lot can be concluded from your statement above Ken.

"Starting at any point" is the hidden gem and to me it does not mean "starting immediately".

"something that doesn't lose" is a very open ended statement and should be defined more clearly.

I see you use the words system and HG in your opening post and it seems that you talk about using a single system.

You have mentioned a couple of good points Ken but I second Palestis words as they are more in line with my approach to the game.