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Re: The longest EC ZigZag ever?
« Reply #15 on: February 04, 2019, 03:55:05 PM »
Nothing, because if you catch 16 RBRB sequence all your bankroll will ggoooonnee mate.

Yes you are right, but I'll be still in profit since I have cashed out my net profit.  :P  As mentioned earlier, I am aware of that Marty is going to lose eventually, It was just a test, and the test is going well. I'm researching for a reliable bankroll management system. Ahcoln's Super Recoup System sounds promising to me.
 
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Re: The longest EC ZigZag ever?
« Reply #16 on: February 04, 2019, 03:57:46 PM »
You can calculate the percentage of hit rate that you want to support by debt recovery, like maybe 1 2 4 8 16 32 64 128 = -255 units, which will give you a 99% hit rate.  Then use a recovery method to win back the -255.  This sort of thinking is better than entire bankroll eclipse because it will happen that you will have 2 failures before you can recover, just like you are having more wins than expected without a loss; the loss is just hiding but it is there and its coming for you!


That's exactly what I'm going to do. Thanks for the advice.

PS: The results are so good that I don't want to stop my betting bot  ;D  But I better act rational  :)
 
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Re: The longest EC ZigZag ever?
« Reply #17 on: February 04, 2019, 04:00:27 PM »

Crazy K i will make a polite suggestion to safe guard your winnings.
Now you say you won twice as much than what you risk.

Then you should start playing with half the unit size and regress operating with casino money.
You could have done that when you won half the money you risk.

Look what happens when you regress other then operating with casino money.
You need to bust twice in a row or you need to get 16 zig zag sequences twice after each other to bust, if you regress.

Don't give all the money back to the casino, use regression and operate with winnings.

Cheers

Very good point. Thanks Sputnik. I'm planning to do so. Will update with the results.
 
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Re: The longest EC ZigZag ever?
« Reply #18 on: February 04, 2019, 04:07:00 PM »
On the banking, keep in mind that it is the same function as a divisor.

 
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Re: The longest EC ZigZag ever?
« Reply #19 on: February 04, 2019, 04:08:02 PM »
Anyway, which online casino do you use with no table limits? Are they reliable? Because maybe you win , but the cash you will not get  >:( ;D ;D
 
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Re: The longest EC ZigZag ever?
« Reply #20 on: February 04, 2019, 04:22:12 PM »
On the banking, keep in mind that it is the same function as a divisor.

You mean using a divisor is more reliable than the Ahcoln method? Had no experience with any of them.
 

Re: The longest EC ZigZag ever?
« Reply #21 on: February 04, 2019, 04:27:22 PM »
Anyway, which online casino do you use with no table limits? Are they reliable? Because maybe you win , but the cash you will not get  >:( ;D ;D

I can give you the link, but besides the language (which you won't understand a word, since you read from left to right basically  ;D ), you will also need local credit card and ID. The deposit process is very complicated too, 'cuz it's illegal to gamble here.

Anyways, the casino itself is reliable and has paid me many times before. I have no idea why there is no table limits  ;D  weird af
 
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Re: The longest EC ZigZag ever?
« Reply #22 on: February 04, 2019, 04:50:09 PM »
Anyway, which online casino do you use with no table limits? Are they reliable? Because maybe you win , but the cash you will not get  >:( ;D ;D

I can give you the link, but besides the language (which you won't understand a word, since you read from left to right basically  ;D ), you will also need local credit card and ID. The deposit process is very complicated too, 'cuz it's illegal to gamble here.

Anyways, the casino itself is reliable and has paid me many times before. I have no idea why there is no table limits  ;D  weird af

You can send me the link, I look aat that
 

MickyP

Re: The longest EC ZigZag ever?
« Reply #23 on: February 04, 2019, 05:39:25 PM »
Here is an idea for you Crazy K; by the way what does the K stand for?

Take someone that has been on the forum for a number of years like Mr J (Ken). Make a timeline of his posts and threads from the beginning and study his journey. You will be pleasantly surprised about how much you will learn. It may mostly be how not to play roulette but regardless you will learn a thing or two.
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Re: The longest EC ZigZag ever?
« Reply #24 on: February 04, 2019, 05:55:59 PM »
Anyway, which online casino do you use with no table limits? Are they reliable? Because maybe you win , but the cash you will not get  >:( ;D ;D

I can give you the link, but besides the language (which you won't understand a word, since you read from left to right basically  ;D ), you will also need local credit card and ID. The deposit process is very complicated too, 'cuz it's illegal to gamble here.

Anyways, the casino itself is reliable and has paid me many times before. I have no idea why there is no table limits  ;D  weird af

You can send me the link, I look aat that

Done.
 

Re: The longest EC ZigZag ever?
« Reply #25 on: February 04, 2019, 06:01:23 PM »
Here is an idea for you Crazy K; by the way what does the K stand for?

Take someone that has been on the forum for a number of years like Mr J (Ken). Make a timeline of his posts and threads from the beginning and study his journey. You will be pleasantly surprised about how much you will learn. It may mostly be how not to play roulette but regardless you will learn a thing or two.

Hi Micky. I actually did this. The learning was great, but the journies were really boring, because every valuable post was followed by someone tired of trying (or thinking maybe). By the way, I'm not new to the game itself, but to this forum. I found it interesting that I tried almost all the methods all by myself without any outsider ideas before even knowing this forum exists. It's fun to talk to like-minded players, but there are downsides to it, like -as mentioned- sad boring comments repeating all over again everywhere.
 
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Re: The longest EC ZigZag ever?
« Reply #26 on: February 04, 2019, 06:13:46 PM »
There is no difference between a banking method and a divisor method.  For example, let's say you get a debt of -255 units and you decide to put it into two banks of 85 each.  That is exactly the same as simply using a divisor of 3!

Study both threads, the banking thread and the divisor thread and you will get what I mean.  ;)
 
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Re: The longest EC ZigZag ever?
« Reply #27 on: February 04, 2019, 06:23:44 PM »
There is no difference between a banking method and a divisor method.  For example, let's say you get a debt of -255 units and you decide to put it into two banks of 85 each.  That is exactly the same as simply using a divisor of 3!

Study both threads, the banking thread and the divisor thread and you will get what I mean.  ;)

Yeah they are fundamentally same. I'll give it a shot and post the results. Thanks for your contribution.
 

Stratege

Re: The longest EC ZigZag ever?
« Reply #28 on: February 04, 2019, 06:51:08 PM »

Crazy K, thank you for opening this discussion. There are several problems in your way of seeing things. Limiting yourself to watching Zig-Zag will waste time and opportunity. You can also observe RR-BB-RR-BB ... All the figures you want. You can do even better if you use a combinatory (in the topic "Marigny de Grilleau" I presented a simple way). You know you will not win in the long run with a progression on Zig-Zag. The reason is that a direct and continuous progression as you do it is only a few spins. You are a prisoner of the law of small numbers, and this law does not offer the possibility of obtaining real gains ahead of chance. In the long run the general balance is formed and you are statistically equal between the number of strokes won and the number of strokes lost. But the zero has done its job and it is an insurmountable loss.

We must reason differently with the EC. You should look for situations where zig-zag (or other patterns) have come too often or not often enough. A significant statistical delay on a figure will block its ability to do a long series, because there are already too many. In this context, you can hope for something. Playing directly against chance, as you do, you don’t go out of the law of small numbers and your game will be losing. You have to watch the game on several hundred spins to find favorable situations.
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Re: The longest EC ZigZag ever?
« Reply #29 on: February 04, 2019, 07:08:28 PM »

Crazy K, thank you for opening this discussion. There are several problems in your way of seeing things. Limiting yourself to watching Zig-Zag will waste time and opportunity. You can also observe RR-BB-RR-BB ... All the figures you want. You can do even better if you use a combinatory (in the topic "Marigny de Grilleau" I presented a simple way). You know you will not win in the long run with a progression on Zig-Zag. The reason is that a direct and continuous progression as you do it is only a few spins. You are a prisoner of the law of small numbers, and this law does not offer the possibility of obtaining real gains ahead of chance. In the long run the general balance is formed and you are statistically equal between the number of strokes won and the number of strokes lost. But the zero has done its job and it is an insurmountable loss.

We must reason differently with the EC. You should look for situations where zig-zag (or other patterns) have come too often or not often enough. A significant statistical delay on a figure will block its ability to do a long series, because there are already too many. In this context, you can hope for something. Playing directly against chance, as you do, you don’t go out of the law of small numbers and your game will be losing. You have to watch the game on several hundred spins to find favorable situations.

Thanks Stratege for your reply. I get your point and you are more than right.

The point is I'm not looking FOR ZigZags, because my strategy doesn't need them. The thing I'm trying to do is to avoid ZigZags AGAINST ME, like: R/B - B/R - R/B... (The first ones are my bets). In any other patterns, I win.

With a simple Marty of 16 possible bets, I've been successful so far, but it won't last long. So, I'm trying to utilize a strategy to keep my bets low so I won't hit my max bet. For now, I'm looking at Lanky's Divisor strategy. I'll try to combine it with Marty to stretch the routine up to 32 bad streaks (ZigZags against me), the worst ever seen. Any ideas on this?