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jerome26b

Hello,

i worked recently on some new systems and have quite good success to defeat 4000 continuous spins with final results of about 2000 units without using big progressions. Just a small progression with a stop loss so it’s just the ratio of success compared to loses that give me this positive result. The only problem i encounter and that i got with another system is the fact it’s quite impossible to apply it in real life. It work perfectly well on paper but require too long sessions to be sure being in a positive range. Of course i can be lucky and play 480 numbers and be in the good range but even like that it represent 8 hours on the wheel. Ideally a session should be 1000 spins in a row to have the guarantee of taking the advantage of the balance of the wheel. The system requires to play quite every spin except when i’m in a losing situation of my progression when i wait so the virtual loss to start betting again. I was thinking about some automation to play but i’m not sure it’s existing and that it’s authorised on casino side and if it’s possible cause i’ve sometimes to wait before betting and my casino table is going on timeout if you don’t bet for maybe 10 minutes. That’s a very frustrating situation cause i’ve something that really works but require too much attention on the table for so many hours that it’s quite impossible to apply it for real except maybe with a kind of a team. So now i’m trying to take some samples to define if there’s a difference if i play for example sessions of 4 hours in a raw. That will be about 240 spins or 480 on the speed roulette. Normally if i play 20 sessions of 240 spins so in total 4800 spins the final result should be the same as playing 4800 spins in a row right ?
The roulette game is a devil for system players cause either you rely on pure luck and play short sessions but it’s very difficult to take some advantage without any systems if you don’t play long sessions to counter the variance inherent of the game. Anybody else had this problem so far and get solutions to solve it ?
I’ve the feeling that the only way to play quite normal sessions is to use only the hot numbers systems.

jerome
 
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Dane

Hello jerome.

If we imagine each and every spin to be independent of alle other spins in the Past, Present, and Future (here, there and everywhere), we are still trapped in TIME.  True, waiting time can be very frustrating. You could consider to bet a little bit, independent of your method, just to avoid timeout.

Our limited ability to transcend time means that it feels best to start and to end one session without interruption. But if we are able to overcome this illusion, we should be able to split one session in as many visits as we like. Playing 4800 spins in a row of course is impossible. The basic probabilities do not change because we change  during an intermission.
 

jerome26b

Thanks Dane,

That’s the drawback of playing few numbers (my system use 4 numbers) without relying on luck it require time on table. I’m thinking maybe on playing multiple tables to play the total spin numbers requested but it will require lot of attention not even sure if i can manage more than 2 or 3 and keep track of individual progressions. I have the option to play the flat variant of the system that is easier to play multitabling and request less bankroll. i can even try to simulate the miror of the system that will put 4 more numbers to play and maybe shorten the sessions.

jerome.
 
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Third

Have you considered the casino where they spin almost continuously, as soon as the ball lands the dealer starts talking but instead of just jabbering mindlessly in the chair he is immediately spinning the ball again?  Obviously RNG would solve your time issue but I have to assume not your cup of tea. 

I personally use short, easily attainable session goals because my initial win rate is pretty high at 91.67% and so I can earn 60 units and end it.  But from your description it sounds like you are using a much lower win rate and are using multiple attempts to win and when you run into a southernly directed session, it can extend for many hours?  I know this because in my similar sessions it can take 2-3 hours to exit properly and my wheel spins hundreds of times an hour.  If you are using the negative variance to win, I wouldn't change that for anything in the world.  If it were me I would even play RNG if it meant I could play the whole session without interruption.

Regardless of what people may tell you, EACH SESSION IS STATISTICALLY UNIQUE and I am not such a big believer in personal permanence that somehow I imagine that I carry the negative variance with me from session to session; i.e. the statistical situation in the sequence is unique to that RNG source and the exact structure of the output at the time it occurs.  I have learned this because every time I "switch wheels" I will find a new pattern of number output that is as distinct and varied as the topography of different countries.  Furthermore, even though I can "not lose" by playing every selection available, those bad ones are HORRIFIC and I most every time avoid that kind of negativity by using my bet selection method, which of course is destroyed by a session interruption because its 100% statistically based.  100% of my worst sessions have come when there has been some kind of interruption in my play.  I firmly believe that this is because negative variance IS truly limited and governed by cumulative probability.

Sure critical theorists will tell you "everything is the same carry on" but they also say "you must have physical causes to avoid losing" and a whole host of other lies and so again, I choose to believe what I have seen and proven rather than agenda based theory. 

How long does it take us to experience 100,000 spins?  It takes a computer far less than a second.  Do I care if my smaller sessions "make one big one" after 100,000 spins?  Not very much at all because I am a human being! I am not a mindless electron on a chip blinking around effortlessly at speeds that boggle the mind.

I would stay away from automation like it was the black plague on steriods because the removal of my entire account holdings is not worth any benefit.

Congratulations on your winning!
« Last Edit: December 22, 2018, 11:59:46 AM by Third »
 

mr j

"EACH SESSION IS STATISTICALLY UNIQUE" >> Wrong, another rookie mistake. All short sessions are actually one very long session. No such thing as hit-n-run exists.
 
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jerome26b

Thanks for your replies,

no clear and definitive answer for the very long sessions or shorter ones. My scientist and math mind have the feeling to say after enough number of sessions it will equal playing one 10000 long session or 100 times 100 numbers sessions.  Of course with big drawdowns as the nature of roulette game. Anyway i was not confident with so long and boring play and had no choice to find a trick to make these sessions shorter and more profitable.
Very amazing is the fact i found the tweak when i realized the miror version of the system is not working at all. So now that i simulate enough spins i can try it on real table soon. I don’t play RNG cause for me they are like slots games with a percentage distribution rate, if it has to pay it will give all your numbers if it’s not whatever you will play will give ridiculous outcomes that i witness when i played rng roulette at the beginning. I can imagine we can maybe find some fair rng but by default i will not put my money in.

kind regards

Jerome
 

scepticus

EACH SESSION IS STATISTICALLY UNIQUE" >>wrong, another rookie mistake. All short sessions are actually one very long session. No such thing as hit-n-run exists.    Report to moderator    Logged 
Your ignorance is appalling  .
"  Hit and Run"   IS a Short Session  !
 

mr j

"Hit and Run"   IS a Short Session" >> Ummm, yeah, I am aware of that. Nothing but a fallacy.
 

Third

Just for the record Mr. J parrots the AP crowd and actually has no idea why what he is saying is even partially true.
 

Third

i was not confident with so long and boring play and had no choice to find a trick to make these sessions shorter and more profitable.
Very amazing is the fact i found the tweak when i realized the miror version of the system is not working at all.

Grats!  Sounds awesome!! :D
 

dobbelsteen

All short run sessions played with a system an a strategy are unique. All  the sessions together from a large couple players create a random sequense. This produces the 2,7% profit for the casino. With hit and run every player can have a profitable session.
 
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mr j

All short run sessions played with a system an a strategy are unique. All  the sessions together from a large couple players create a random sequense. This produces the 2,7% profit for the casino. With hit and run every player can have a profitable session.

100% incorrect...........again.
 

rimsky

All short sessions are actually one very long session. No such thing as hit-n-run exists.
This is a very old concept well known by roulette players in Italy and France where is called "personal permanence".
According to it, fragmenting sessions is simply a practical way to play but actually in our whole betting life we are playing one and only one permanence that is our personal permanence, continuous and never ending. Therefore hit & run strategy, according to this perspective, is a sort of illusion.
And I agree, because hit & run does not work if you meet several sessions in a row which start with back to back losses from the very beginning. And this unfortunately occurs often enough.
« Last Edit: December 23, 2018, 12:02:34 PM by rimsky »
 

Joe

Could someone define Hit & Run?
My understanding of it is that you hit when an opportunity arises and run when it ends. What's wrong with that? It doesn't have anything to do with whether you are always "in the long run".
Maybe the way you play doesn't offer any opportunities, in which case the concept doesn't apply.
 

rimsky

My understanding is that you run as soon as you hit - once or twice, or a bit more. But often enough you can lose several bets in a row before you hit - IF you eventually hit.