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rimsky

Baccarat
« on: December 19, 2018, 05:40:26 PM »
Due to the simplicity and fame of the game I was planning to implement Baccarat (or maybe Punto Banco) in my gambling routine.
I made a google research and found good info by wikihow and a couple of promising pdf.
One of these is "Baccarat Attack Strategy" by Greg Fletcher (2008) which is a 200 pages document, and another is "The Neural Strategy" by Martin J. Silverthorne (2008).
Anyone has read these books or know the authors reputation? Are they worth of studying?
 

scepticus

Re: Baccarat
« Reply #1 on: December 19, 2018, 05:52:42 PM »
Baccarat is not usualy offered in UK casinos .
I came across  an internet site Bet Selection cc which talks about Bacc so you  might try  there though Gizmo has experience in gambling other than roulette. Bacc,  Poker etc. He might have read - or have knowledge of -  the books you mention. 

He might even offer to teach you - for a fee  !  ;D   
 

rimsky

Re: Baccarat
« Reply #2 on: December 19, 2018, 06:07:29 PM »
Baccarat (and Punto Banco) is an old classic in italian and french casino, but most of all it is now largely available in casino online with live dealers with a wide range of minimun chips.

Ok so... waiting for Gizmo feedback on baccarat  ;D
 

Third

Re: Baccarat
« Reply #3 on: December 19, 2018, 07:25:53 PM »
I believe the Neural fails badly even though in theory it sounds really good.
 
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GIAJJENNO

Re: Baccarat
« Reply #4 on: December 19, 2018, 07:36:02 PM »
Baccarat is a simple 3way game. 2:1 pay twice, and 8:1 once, if you hit the tie option.

What strategy would beat this simple game with low variance?
 

gizmotron

Re: Baccarat
« Reply #5 on: December 19, 2018, 07:38:57 PM »
OK, I'll jump on stage, ... always looking to the side for the hook.

Baccarat is a 50 / 50 game. I had to explain that to a pit boss once. He had no idea what a 50 / 50 game was. It's a coin toss almost. Yes, there is a slight advantage for the house on the payoffs. But so what. It's like a tax for playing. If you win 49 bets and lose 51 bets then who cares.

So you want to beat all these games at the casinos. Get smart. Look at the entire session as the objective. Don't walk into the door expecting your favorite strategy to be working just because you have arrived. What you need to happen for it to be to your advantage might take all day to appear. It's not just what you are looking for but when it happens that matters the most. We argue endlessly on these forums about being able to see opportunities. Many say there are none that can be known. Even further that none even exist. Well that is where having the right skill and the self control to execute that skill at the right time actually makes those that disagree completely wrong. There is no point in arguing with idiots.

I have already explained how to beat Baccarat, Roulette, and Craps on these forums. It just does not resonate with people. It's too difficult to believe that the best way is the simplest. I was told by a gambler over 25 years ago that it is this: "Bet big when you are doing well and bet small when you aren't." So I will add one more thing to that. Look for and see dominance. See the strong side and see the weak side.

Deal with yourself. Only take what you need. Set the win goal so small, for me three net wins, that you almost always automatically achieve it. See your real world results in practice before ever going to a casino to try it. I play to win 3 net wins or lose 7 net wins. So I must win 2.333 sessions to make up for each lost session. You must know your wins to losses ratio.

As far as reading randomness goes, you must acquire a skill for this. You can use my methods or you can invent your own. It's making a science out of seeing trends. You want to see as much as you can so that you can find the things that continue to occur. You must become experienced at dealing with every kind of trend and their duration characteristics. You must know what it is when a trend comes to an end. They do not all end the same. You might begin by using probability as a statistical base line value. That's all that math can give you in the short run of a normal session. We almost all relate to variance. It's that variable that gives us opportunities. And you must keep track of timing too. You can have perfect bad timing even though you see the obvious trends. You will have a perfect losing streak even though you are on the opportunities. That is a skill too.

Now watch all this fade into dust... It always does.  People only see what they are ready to see and that is if it is at the right time of their lives to see it too.  Everyone is focused on what they understand and are interested in now. So they ignore things that are not helping them with their pet system, method, or beliefs. Everything is in the casinos favor. Human nature is the real edge that the casino has.

...exit, stage left.
 
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GIAJJENNO

Re: Baccarat
« Reply #6 on: December 19, 2018, 08:30:29 PM »
"Bet big when you are doing well and bet small when you aren't." So I will add one more thing to that. Look for and see dominance. See the strong side and see the weak side.

But when we doing well, it can immediately turn bad. And the strong side can turn weak after we bet.
 

gizmotron

Re: Baccarat
« Reply #7 on: December 19, 2018, 08:36:09 PM »
"Bet big when you are doing well and bet small when you aren't." So I will add one more thing to that. Look for and see dominance. See the strong side and see the weak side.

But when we doing well, it can immediately turn bad. And the strong side can turn weak after we bet.

So don't gamble. Just take what you think is the right amount for entertainment value and try to stretch it for maximized fun. When you walk in the door your goal is to have fun. That's your world. Own it. Somebody's got to pay for the chandeliers.   
 

vitorwally

Re: Baccarat
« Reply #8 on: December 19, 2018, 09:17:38 PM »
@rimsky

Silverthorne publications are commonly bad rated because they are usually the same books but rebranded over and over again. Easy as picking on old shelved books and refurbish them with new names.  Speaking about roulette, I was presented a few of their losing strategies. You might win with them for a couple of sessions but they have major flaws. Don't know about baccarat but I'll guess it's identical.
 
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GIAJJENNO

Re: Baccarat
« Reply #9 on: December 19, 2018, 11:08:47 PM »
"Bet big when you are doing well and bet small when you aren't." So I will add one more thing to that. Look for and see dominance. See the strong side and see the weak side.

But when we doing well, it can immediately turn bad. And the strong side can turn weak after we bet.

So don't gamble. Just take what you think is the right amount for entertainment value and try to stretch it for maximized fun. When you walk in the door your goal is to have fun. That's your world. Own it. Somebody's got to pay for the chandeliers.

No, that is not my world. How the hell its connect to what I said to you?

 

gizmotron

Re: Baccarat
« Reply #10 on: December 20, 2018, 02:00:56 AM »
But when we doing well, it can immediately turn bad. And the strong side can turn weak after we bet.
... 

No, that is not my world. How the hell its connect to what I said to you?

You clearly don't understand what I wrote. I acknowledged the fact that "it can immediately turn bad. And the strong side can turn weak."  I pointed out that it's a skill knowing how to deal with times like that. So what I want to know is why did you ask a question that is clearly meant to piss me off? This is what you get from me. I'm a building contractor. I push the ones that don't listen away. I want them to work for my competitors. I put it all in a nut shell. Use it or don't use it. There isn't going to be more. This was just the big button items. Maybe someday you will understand. But I'm not going to spell it all out. This is not teaching.
« Last Edit: December 20, 2018, 02:03:59 AM by gizmotron »
 

GIAJJENNO

Re: Baccarat
« Reply #11 on: December 20, 2018, 02:09:29 AM »
Yes, this is not teaching, just throwing meaningless words, sentences into the big world. Take your skill, and close the door after yourself.
 

Third

Re: Baccarat
« Reply #12 on: December 20, 2018, 03:06:13 AM »
You will have a perfect losing streak even though you are on the opportunities.

CF Session from the underworld.



We must survive this because its coming to get us!

« Last Edit: December 20, 2018, 03:14:41 AM by Third »
 

rimsky

Re: Baccarat
« Reply #13 on: December 20, 2018, 06:44:35 AM »
Set the win goal so small, for me three net wins, that you almost always automatically achieve it. See your real world results in practice before ever going to a casino to try it. I play to win 3 net wins or lose 7 net wins. So I must win 2.333 sessions to make up for each lost session. You must know your wins to losses ratio.

I agree but It's hard to swing between +3/-7 when you have a tough session.

Do you implement a positive progression? Parlay?
 

rimsky

Re: Baccarat
« Reply #14 on: December 20, 2018, 09:23:54 AM »
Or maybe a negative three terms martingale 1-2-4?