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Re: (lol) Can someone explain....?
« Reply #15 on: November 05, 2018, 10:30:58 PM »
Check the attachment, heatmap is right.
 
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Re: (lol) Can someone explain....?
« Reply #16 on: November 05, 2018, 11:27:31 PM »
Haha yeah that doesn't seem too smart.  ;D

Plus the 00 wheel layout  kind of sucks, numbers aren't evenly split between color and high/low on each side of the physical wheel...eliminates a lot of systems people like to play.

00 layout is VERY predictacble, as in the 2nd and 3rd column are on the opposite ends of each other

you can also split the second and 3rd columns into quadrants on the wheel, as in the numbers are clumped together in sets of 4 spaced equally around the wheel

the first column is "evenly" spread around the wheel in between columns 1 and 2

i speak about columns because when you combine dozens, they are more equal "looking" when you arrange it in different ways, as in when you combine dozen 1 and 3 it is the opposite of the 2nd dozen & 3rd dozen along with the 1st dozen and 2nd column combined.

Nice heatmap, that's something we could use more exploration on...we've done so many single-0 wheel sector plays but 00 wheels get neglected in terms of our attention...
 

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Re: (lol) Can someone explain....?
« Reply #17 on: November 05, 2018, 11:45:04 PM »
Haha yeah that doesn't seem too smart.  ;D

Plus the 00 wheel layout  kind of sucks, numbers aren't evenly split between color and high/low on each side of the physical wheel...eliminates a lot of systems people like to play.

00 layout is VERY predictacble, as in the 2nd and 3rd column are on the opposite ends of each other

you can also split the second and 3rd columns into quadrants on the wheel, as in the numbers are clumped together in sets of 4 spaced equally around the wheel

the first column is "evenly" spread around the wheel in between columns 1 and 2

i speak about columns because when you combine dozens, they are more equal "looking" when you arrange it in different ways, as in when you combine dozen 1 and 3 it is the opposite of the 2nd dozen & 3rd dozen along with the 1st dozen and 2nd column combined.

Nice heatmap, that's something we could use more exploration on...we've done so many single-0 wheel sector plays but 00 wheels get neglected in terms of our attention...

Cryptographic PRNG is all i have to say. These weaknesses do not matter, and in my opinion, the wheel numbers layout could be randomly rearranged in between each spin and what I said about the layout does not matter.
 

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Re: (lol) Can someone explain....?
« Reply #18 on: November 06, 2018, 12:38:36 AM »
Check the attachment, heatmap is right.

and i mean this type of symmetry MUST be a mistake. all of the other combinations on the wheel NEVER amount to the clumped 4 numbers in each of the 2nd and 3rd column. Every other READILY AVAILABLE bet, or bet that is given to you by the casino, does not contain more than 3 numbers in a row.
 
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Re: (lol) Can someone explain....?
« Reply #19 on: November 06, 2018, 06:05:53 AM »
Check the attachment, heatmap is right.

and i mean this type of symmetry MUST be a mistake. all of the other combinations on the wheel NEVER amount to the clumped 4 numbers in each of the 2nd and 3rd column. Every other READILY AVAILABLE bet, or bet that is given to you by the casino, does not contain more than 3 numbers in a row.

So why they have put the numbers in this order, does it have to do with Pascal-line?

From number 16 to 34 there are 19 continuous pockets which are being covered by columns A and B, plus 0,9,30.

From number 4 to 22 there are 23 continuous pockets which are being covered by columns A and C, plus 00,8,29.

The single 0 has patterns too but are more subtle, from number 28 to 32 there are 32 continuous pockets which are being covered by column A, dozen 2nd, quad 5-9, quad 29-33, plus 2,11,27,36.
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Re: (lol) Can someone explain....?
« Reply #20 on: November 06, 2018, 12:23:37 PM »
The numbers of a single zero wheel have a hit chance of 2,7%. The numbers of the double zero roulette have a hit chance of 5,3%. All clusters of numbers can be brought back to a number bet. If you are familiar with my number bet theory, you can simplify all the complex systems. The DTOP of the oo roulette is much smaller than the DTOP of the o roulette. This means that the long run starts earlier for the oo roulette. Hit and run is more important.
 

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Re: (lol) Can someone explain....?
« Reply #21 on: November 06, 2018, 06:08:00 PM »
Somehow this "dtop" doesn't make sense for me. All right, we can see patterns and " spin frames" , but how to determine where exactly into the stream we are likely to start playing?
   Simple example... if graph is plotted, we see " sinusoidal line" ups and downs... obviously it tends to "down" with time ( amount of spins) for random bet selection.  However we are as likely to start playing in any position on this graph... so we do not know if we start on up or down slop.  Does dtop show average amount of spins or is it mod, any other?
 

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Re: (lol) Can someone explain....?
« Reply #22 on: November 06, 2018, 09:39:06 PM »
I honestly have no clue why the wheel numbers changed order or why the order is what it is.

Another interesting thing about the 00 wheel, is that sequential numbers on the felt are on the opposite ends of the numbers before and after each number, besides a few exceptions.

So if im correct which im guessing and could be wrong, 1's position is across the wheel from 2's position on the wheel, and 3 is NEXT to 1's position because it is also across the wheel from 2's position. Very confusing im sure someone else has explained that much better than I at this point.
 
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Re: (lol) Can someone explain....?
« Reply #23 on: November 06, 2018, 10:27:11 PM »
Some explanation regarding the significance of the opposite side of the wheel could be that most of the dealers are right handed and they distribute more evenly the balls (sectors-wise) in comparison with the left handed who are the minority.
I've always wondered why the VB players pay more attention to the wheel rather than the person who rotates it and spins the ball too, the dealer manages, intentionally or not, the speed of these objects, they don't have will of their own.
From the Craps game there is common practice to chart shooters instead of tables, that means that they are keeping separate stats for each and every person who rolls the dice, style of roll, position, body stature, wrist angle, fingers grip, dice set or not...the list continues with what they roll most of the times and who knows better than someone his/herself (rolls-wise).
There are persons who bet only when they roll and skip all the rest.

Create a record with the names of the dealers and their individual statistics, bet the person not the objects!
 

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Re: (lol) Can someone explain....?
« Reply #24 on: November 07, 2018, 01:24:05 AM »
Some explanation regarding the significance of the opposite side of the wheel could be that most of the dealers are right handed and they distribute more evenly the balls (sectors-wise) in comparison with the left handed who are the minority.
I've always wondered why the VB players pay more attention to the wheel rather than the person who rotates it and spins the ball too, the dealer manages, intentionally or not, the speed of these objects, they don't have will of their own.
From the Craps game there is common practice to chart shooters instead of tables, that means that they are keeping separate stats for each and every person who rolls the dice, style of roll, position, body stature, wrist angle, fingers grip, dice set or not...the list continues with what they roll most of the times and who knows better than someone his/herself (rolls-wise).
There are persons who bet only when they roll and skip all the rest.

Create a record with the names of the dealers and their individual statistics, bet the person not the objects!

the reason i do this, is, because when i know where the ball starts, and if the dealer is spinning at a fairly average  and consistent pace, i can assume that the drop of the ball and relative to where the ball starts to bounce at i can get a fairly consistent sector prediction within 5 to 10 numbers.

Most of the time i see the ball dropping at the exact number it started its spin on and bounce to the opposite side that it started on.

Therefore, using this information we now all collectively know, if you know which quandrant, or in my case the half, i believe you can say something like, "The ball started on this half, and the dealer has been very consistently spinning the ball, we can assume it will drop the same number of pockets that is has been, otherwise change your bet to the opposite side of where i started."

and then i choose a combination of column 1 and 2 OR 1 and 3, as each different combination, in my opinion is probably a wheel killer in someones basement.

But carnival equipment!?? am i right???
 

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Re: (lol) Can someone explain....?
« Reply #25 on: November 07, 2018, 10:14:52 AM »
But carnival equipment!?? am i right???

What do you mean by that?
 

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« Reply #26 on: November 07, 2018, 07:22:59 PM »
But carnival equipment!?? am i right???

What do you mean by that?

i believe ive seen some stuff. and from all of the patents ive read, they have various different ways of randomizing the ball and putting it into the pocket
 

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Re: (lol) Can someone explain....?
« Reply #27 on: November 07, 2018, 10:25:42 PM »
AND all signs point to a company named H.C. Evans, which was a pioneer in rigged casino equipment. I suspect the company did anything but die. They were apparently the creators of the modern day FELT layout. Im almost sure they invented the 00 layout. There is a video called "Al Capones rigged roulette wheel" or something like that, and they NEVER mention it came from any company, but its very apparent that it is an H.C. Evans wheel. They even made professionally weighted dice, which werent bias, but they would sell them in sets of 6, and each one was weighted to favor a specific number. ANNNDDD just in case thats not enough randomization for you, they also sold a magnet that easily fit into a small box which would help the dice repel or whatever.

this was back in the 50s.

think about what they have now, because of the internet. they know games can be made to be in the favor of one player and not all players at the table. Therefore, since the games can be made, what they consider to be unfair in the case of APs, they can enforce, or make a lack of clear and specific laws of what a casino can and can't do. The types of randomization, are endless, and the way that randomization is implemented is through physical means, is ALL acceptable. Its when the casinos randomizations are statistically unfair over time, which gets peoples attention, but is not a big deal if they are a licensed casino protected within whatever jurisdictions they are in.

stay away from online casinos in COSTA RICA apparently, as they will give anyone a license if they have the money to do so.
 

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Re: (lol) Can someone explain....?
« Reply #28 on: November 07, 2018, 11:06:26 PM »
DublinBet has Costa Rican license, a few years back had from Isle of Man issued license, it is years in the industry, so which side leans the scale according to your judgment?
 

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Re: (lol) Can someone explain....?
« Reply #29 on: November 08, 2018, 01:35:25 AM »
DublinBet has Costa Rican license, a few years back had from Isle of Man issued license, it is years in the industry, so which side leans the scale according to your judgment?

You assume there is a scale meaning there is some kind of arbitration or method of... as in fair is supposed to apply to everything in the casino industry. The numbers that come out might be fair but the laws and how little power the player has when it comes to the casinos “cheating” is unreal. There is no balance as the jurisdiction who invites the casino into their borders has a steak in the money coming in and they are complicit in being silent about what they see due to non disclosure agreements.