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#### BlueAngel

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##### Re: DOUBLE DOZENS
« Reply #30 on: November 09, 2018, 01:46:05 PM »
Anyone to report on the 3 lines by "Bayes"?
Have you tested it with the cold, average and hot 6-lines?

Regarding the trigger betting of 5 lines after 2 in a row from a specific line, my recommendation is to bet up to 3 times (from 3 different triggered bets), first bet 5 lines by 1 unit each, second bet 5 lines by 6 units each and final third bet 5 lines by 36 units each, these 3 bets make a total of 215 units.
Set a win goal of 16% to 20% of the 215 units per session.

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#### Optimistique

##### Re: DOUBLE DOZENS
« Reply #31 on: November 09, 2018, 02:42:56 PM »
HAHA. I mostly posted this to get people to think of different methodologies while creating their own systems. As you can see from the chart posted here I based my theory on the 99.9% chance of winning within 6.6 spins. Each level of the system is based on upon the 75% win rate on the chart which for two dozen columns would be 1.33 spins, I rounded down to 1 spin.

With this technique you could create a system on any bet really. As an example using the chart you could create a system on a double street. Using 75% rule each level of the system would be 8 spins. If you dont win within 8 spins you would move down a level and so on.

It would look something like this:
Bankroll needed: 4300 units, minimum profit: 6 units

#1 - spin the wheel for 20 spins and take note of which DOUBLE STREET does best
#2 - bet on the best DOUBLE STREET with a progression scale listed below
#3 - keep track of which DOUBLE STREET does best and always bet on the best DOUBLE STREET for each level of the system
#4 - drop back down to level 1 on any win

PROGRESSION LEVEL
LVL 1 = 1,1,2,2,2,3,3,4,4
LVL 2 = 5,6,7,8,9,11,13,15
LVL 3 = 17,20,23,27,32,37,43,50
LVL 4 = 59,69,80,93,109,127,148,173
LVL 5 = 202,235,275,320,374,436,509,594

You can employ this idea across any bet type... corners, splits, even single number. You can form your own set of rules such as instead of monitoring best double streets wait for a trigger of your preference.

Great post thank you for sharing Jake.

Better to determine a stop loss and daily limit for the gain.
I'm working on it.

Do you prefer to play rule #1 or Reyth version?

All the best,
Optimistique

#### Optimistique

##### Re: DOUBLE DOZENS
« Reply #32 on: November 09, 2018, 02:50:24 PM »
Anyone to report on the 3 lines by "Bayes"?
Have you tested it with the cold, average and hot 6-lines?

Regarding the trigger betting of 5 lines after 2 in a row from a specific line, my recommendation is to bet up to 3 times (from 3 different triggered bets), first bet 5 lines by 1 unit each, second bet 5 lines by 6 units each and final third bet 5 lines by 36 units each, these 3 bets make a total of 215 units.
Set a win goal of 16% to 20% of the 215 units per session.

I test it BlueAngel,

It goes fine until i faced 12 times lost in a row.
Better to begin after 2 or 3(safer but must wait a lot to see it) virtual loss.

And than tried Jake's Double Street idea and it is more probable to win regularly.
I mean Price/Performance is better.
I tried it online at Evolution gaming rooms.

Make my 250unit to 2000 unit in 4 hours than i faced 34 loss in a row and unfortunately my balance couldnt enough to afford it. But if i can create a bankroll management plan, i think it would be great deal to gain some daily income.

Waiting for your suggestions and thoughts.

All the best,
Optimistique

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##### Re: DOUBLE DOZENS
« Reply #33 on: November 09, 2018, 03:15:13 PM »
12 times in a row!
It eventually busted for me too with a 9 losing streak, but it had make a BR more in net profit BEFORE it busts.
The way I consider this problem is that even when there is profit AFTER a bust for BR happens it is bad for psychology, bad for confidence...and who knows if there would be another bust lurking nearby!

Consistency, even if it's a grind, provides peace of mind, psychological boost, confidence in yourself, faith in the system, therefore, in my point of view a conservative approach COULD be better.

You've asked for some money management and I'm going to suggest a conservative and resilient one.
Doubling up per loss is aggressive, but if we have an Even Chance such as 3 lines bet then we could apply a mild increase every 10 losses.

0 to 10 losses 1 unit
11 to 20 losses 2 units
21 to 30 losses 3 units
31 to 40 losses 4 units
41 to 50 losses 5 units
51 to 60 losses 6 units
61 to 70 losses 7 units
71 to 80 losses 8 units
81 to 90 losses 9 units
91 to 100 losses 10 units

As you can see no matter how many more losses than wins you have the win ratio you need in order to fully recover is always half as many the losses.
If for example you'd find yourself having 30 losses more than your wins (30 W VS 60 L) you'd bet 4 units and you would need exactly 15 wins more than losses to fully recover the -10 from first 10 losses, -20 from second 10 losses and -30 from third 10 losses.

This kind of money management is mild,conservative, realistic, but on the same time could be pretty boring when you have to play for long till you eventually recover all losses.
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#### Optimistique

##### Re: DOUBLE DOZENS
« Reply #34 on: November 09, 2018, 03:28:38 PM »
Thank you Blue Angel for the suggestion and also the quick reply.

Best wishes to Hellas.

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Optimistique

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##### Re: DOUBLE DOZENS
« Reply #35 on: November 09, 2018, 03:41:28 PM »
Thank you, actually Hellas is GreEnglish, neither Greek or English per se, Greece is the correct, by writing a word as it sounds but on a different language's Alphabet you are wrong on both languages.
We have to translate/interpret the meaning rather than the words!

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#### Optimistique

##### Re: DOUBLE DOZENS
« Reply #36 on: November 09, 2018, 04:08:34 PM »
Thank you, actually Hellas is GreEnglish, neither Greek or English per se, Greece is the correct, by writing a word as it sounds but on a different language's Alphabet you are wrong on both languages.
We have to translate/interpret the meaning rather than the words!

Thank you for the detailed explanation.
Actually when i was in Θεσσαλονίκη for Final Four in april 2000. All Panathinaikos fans cheered Hellas something like that. By the way my fav. basketball team in Greece is Pana but Olym. probably will win tonight against them. And i like Panathinakos Anthem very much. I have a close friend from Ρόδος and she told me once when i was imitating the song it's very close to local pronouncation

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##### Re: DOUBLE DOZENS
« Reply #37 on: November 09, 2018, 04:20:30 PM »
Where are you from?
I support the top red team at Greece, that's Olympiacos, also called legend from its fans.
The name is being derived by Olympic games, that's why the team's emblem is the head of an athlete with a laurels wreath on his head.
There was a time which I was much more fanatic than what I'm now, it's just another way of entertainment, pass time, hobby.
Panathinaikos anthem though is the most funny because it has those whistles...!

#### scepticus

##### Re: DOUBLE DOZENS
« Reply #38 on: November 09, 2018, 04:45:35 PM »
If I may intrude....
I think that we should talk about methods that are designed to play in a real B&M casino - or online  -  with REAL money. I think that talk of a Table Bank of 2-3 -4 Thousands is , frankly, is  Pie in the Sky stuff

What you seem to be aiming for is a betting method that avoids a loss and extand your " lines " to achieve that end  with little or no regard for calculation for  Risk and Return.

I think that losses  will occur and  our efforts should be to MINIMISE the Table bank and not- as you do- EXTEND it.

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#### Optimistique

##### Re: DOUBLE DOZENS
« Reply #39 on: November 09, 2018, 04:48:39 PM »

Good luck at tonight match. Your new coach is a legend so you are gonna play very defensive and Pana proabably very low scores tonight and Olym. gonna win it as an underdog.

I'm from Istanbul and half of my life was in New York City (Manhattan). I'm a Fenerbahce fan but not a fanatic one as you are right now.

Pire is a beautiful place to visit but Pana is the best at least basketball. But i hate Dimitris Giannakopoulos so childish boy. A typical gemini boy lol but his father was a great man (Leo).

I guess it's already too much for a public forum lol

Better to go on @ PM some time.

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Optimistique

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#### Optimistique

##### Re: DOUBLE DOZENS
« Reply #40 on: November 09, 2018, 06:36:51 PM »
I'm testing Jake's Double Street in my version.

Method:

Only Level 1 as a progression

1 1 2 2 2 3 3 4 4

The key point is NOT to pass next double street after a win. Stay at same double street.
When you complete all 9 progression levels and all loss then now it's time to pass the next double street.
The idea is to catch and stay at the hot double street.
9 times is enough to decide time to change the double street.

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Optimistique

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##### Re: DOUBLE DOZENS
« Reply #41 on: November 09, 2018, 09:13:11 PM »
Perhaps you want to explain this!

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