Using virtual play to your advantage.

[MickyP]

I'm in my 50's hence the "many years under the belt" bit. I don't feel old at all; it's only the body that's growing old in sync with time; the spirit grows in a time of its own.

[BlueAngel]

That's very true, you cannot quantify feelings, emotions in numbers, even when we are saying "I've x years of experience", the number alone says nothing, what matters is what happened within this time.

[MrPerfect.]

Only virtual play that matters is pretracking to compare general situation with situation on the day of play. Rest is not serious. 

[Third]

In the practical world of actual play with actual money, observing wheel results is simply USEFUL.  A larger point however is that this is really a red herring issue because its only ONE component in a skilled player's game.  Variance is our worst enemy AND OUR BEST FRIEND -- through wheel observation we can identify the areas where consistent variance will be expected to occur more than in any other area.  Deal with practical reality, not in theoretical suppositions.  In the end, only the size and growth of our bankroll is what matters; no need for someone to tell us that it is impossible to grow our bankroll because of applied theory.

[scepticus]

" Deal with practical reality, not in theoretical suppositions.  In the end, only the size and growth of our bankroll is what matters; no need for someone to tell us that it is impossible to grow our bankroll because of applied theory."
  Spot on with that opinion  - Third  !
No need , though, for "wheel observation " . Other methods can be just as effective  .

[MickyP]

The validity of all opinions are subject to the method of play; AP or System. It's an ongoing disagreement or argument that AP has lost its flair for accuracy on modern wheels. System players have no real proven method of prediction beyond their reliance on probability theory. As a result "virtual play" combined with trend tracking seems to be a plausible approach that is incorporated into system play.

The Dozen Drive is a good example of the statement above. Virtual play breaks the downward spiral leading to gamblers fallacy by halting the chase of expected results that we believe should appear through the laws of probability.

[MrPerfect.]

I do not know what AP lost there... lm still in the game. Both b&m and online. Have nothing to cry about..  it's not easy, but definitely better then working, for example.

[Third]

What I want to know from AP players is, how do you sit in a physical casino and track wheel data without the staff getting all wiggy about it?  What tools do you use?  If it was me I would use a graph paper pad cut down into smaller pad sections and use it to track number output.  I would use a legal pad to track wheel results in columns.  That's two pads of paper at the table!  Doesn't this cause the casinos to flip out?

[MrPerfect.]

Pen,  paper..  it's all provided by casino here.

[palestis]

Not they are not provided in US casinos. European yes
I stood up in front of a roulette once with my own paper pad and pen and all the players were looking at me like i came from Mars. Pit bosses too. Very unconfortable situation.
But in European casinos is normal to see players take notes and have score cards on the table available.