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MickyP

Using virtual play to your advantage.
« on: October 28, 2018, 12:17:42 PM »
The idea of virtual play is as old as the game itself (almost).

When you sit down at a table to play you would more than likely have a target to bet on for X number of spins; not always but it is entrenched in many methods. A target can be identified in a few spins, half a cycle, a full cycle or more spins. The spins it takes to identify a playable target is virtual play to a point.virtual play does not necessarily mean virtual win or virtual loss.

Virtual play allows you to hold back bets until your tested criteria is identified indicating a betting opportunity.
 
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Mike

Re: Using virtual play to your advantage.
« Reply #1 on: October 30, 2018, 08:48:29 PM »
Micky,
There are no "opportunities" in the random game of roulette. How can there be when all numbers are equally likely and outcomes are independent?

What mysterious force compels the ball to land in the pocket you've identified from looking at past spins?  :o
 
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mr j

Re: Using virtual play to your advantage.
« Reply #2 on: October 30, 2018, 09:26:18 PM »
"Virtual play allows you to hold back bets until your tested criteria is identified indicating a betting opportunity" >> I used to be the virtual play master or so I thought. Experience rules all in the end.

I dedicated more time/ACTUAL money at the casino than anyone here, period. Triggers, progressions, virtual, due etc. etc.
Did it all. Some damn good days, damn good months even. All those compounded sessions grow and grow and grow until its like popping a zit (lol). Bye bye, its all gone, start over fresh. I remember days of losing, sitting at the casino bar thinking of how to FIX the problem. I would then SPEED home. Not lying, doing 80 in a 55 so I could get back to testing cause I thought I had it all figured out.

I'm glad you guys (sorry) are NOW stuck in this trap and I'm not. That sounds bad I'm past all this BS. Do I play in a way Mike would approve of? Probably not but at least it has nothing to do with wacky triggers OR virtual OR progressions OR double dozens etc.
 

scepticus

Re: Using virtual play to your advantage.
« Reply #3 on: October 30, 2018, 11:49:30 PM »
 you think Virtual Bets are for bird brains Ken ? So you would  advise me to bet the  same amount  on each of the 3 dozens on he same spin ? Really ? Who now is the bird brain ?
 

mr j

Re: Using virtual play to your advantage.
« Reply #4 on: October 30, 2018, 11:58:23 PM »
Do as you will rookie.
 

Geoffrey

Re: Using virtual play to your advantage.
« Reply #5 on: October 31, 2018, 12:07:41 AM »
No need  to act so patronizing mr j
« Last Edit: October 31, 2018, 12:22:09 AM by Geoffrey »
 

scepticus

Re: Using virtual play to your advantage.
« Reply #6 on: October 31, 2018, 12:13:55 AM »
Yes Geoff  there is  a need ..It is his trademark response .Rather that than betray his ignorance which he often displays.  It shows him as one of the" terminally stupid " !
( sorry kav - and Mickt P ! ;D )
 

Geoffrey

Re: Using virtual play to your advantage.
« Reply #7 on: October 31, 2018, 12:41:48 AM »
The way i see it is as follows.

To many think in a way how to beat the game. When it is specially designed to lose. If it were beatable, math geniuses would've beaten it a long time ago, and casino would be put out of order. Fact is, this isn't the case. Never will be.

Virtually play , test systems, will not help either. It's only helpfull to see a possible outcome of a specific scenario. Maybe it will more so show you an indication on how you'd prefer to play.

You have to look at roulette for what it actually is. A game of Chance. That's it. You cant predict it. How hard you search or try , you can't protect your BR with any kind of play. Just accept there will be losses and winnings. Anything is possible.

Casino will always be around, it is designed to loose, but gives you chance to win, and sometimes win big. that is why people always come back to it.

It doesn't matter what you bet or what your kind of play is, every outcome is possible. So i'd say, play and bet whatever you want. In the end it wont make a big of a difference which kind of approach you make to the game. You can come out ahead or you dont. As long as you enjoy your stay.

Mr J talks about a problem to be fixed. I think there wasn't anything to be fixed to begin with. And no one needs to approve someone elses way of play. The only approval someone needs it's  your own.
« Last Edit: October 31, 2018, 12:46:10 AM by Geoffrey »
 

palestis

Re: Using virtual play to your advantage.
« Reply #8 on: October 31, 2018, 01:01:54 AM »
To finally put the Virtual Loss issue to rest, I will give a simple example, so you can comprehend the importance of it.
You stand with a basket ball 100 feet away from the basket. Your aim is to throw the ball into the basket.
But because of the long distance it's not easy to succed each and every time .
After hundeds of thousand of tries, you determined that you always succed at least once in 10 tries. On average.
Now you are asked to put your money in your skill.
You have $1000.
Every time you throw the ball it will cost you $20. If you missed and want to continue you have to double the wager for each new try.
If you succed you get $20.
In addition you are given 2 choices.
1. Start betting from the 1st try and keep doubling the bet after each miss. Or stop when you succeed.
2. Start from the beginning without any wager for as many tries as you like before the 10 , then start betting whenever you feel you are ready.
   What would you chose?
A. Start betting from the beginning and have the opportunity to win $20 if you succeed in the first 5 bets? (after that you don't have any more money to double the bet.  And you lost $620).
B. Use your free trials and throw the ball for 6 tries and lose, ( cost $0), then wager in the last 4 tries where success is 100%.
        The obvious choice in B.
In roulette these choices are available any time all the time. Nobody is forcing you to bet every spin.
Y in the world would you choose A and risk losing all your money, in your quest to win $20,
 when you can wait a little longer and have the certainty that you will win $20.
The moral of the story is this:
When you test a system long enough, you will come up with an average range of bets where at least one success is guaranteed. .
You can chose to bet from the beginning of the range, taking advantage of every winning opportunity, but risking the entire B/R before you reach the end of the betting range.

(Randomness does not hinder the accuracy of that range determination, otherwise horror results (like 50 black in a row, or a dozen missing 100 spins would be an every day occurrence) .
  Or, you can chose to lose the early stages of that range without cost (VIRTUALLY), so that you will have sufficient B/R to carry out the betting range to the end, where success is guaranteed (always according to long term test results).
 
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mr j

Re: Using virtual play to your advantage.
« Reply #9 on: October 31, 2018, 02:13:04 AM »
You dont learn rhythm. You either have it or you dont and most of you dont have it. My proof?Watching/reading the SAME dribble from the SAME members for years and years. And five years from now, it'll still be the same. You guys REFUSE to transform. I dont know why, I dont care why, its only an observation.
 

Mike

Re: Using virtual play to your advantage.
« Reply #10 on: October 31, 2018, 08:48:33 AM »
Virtually play , test systems, will not help either. It's only helpfull to see a possible outcome of a specific scenario. Maybe it will more so show you an indication on how you'd prefer to play.

At last, some common sense. So Geoff, aren't you being "narrow minded"?  ;D
 
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scepticus

Re: Using virtual play to your advantage.
« Reply #11 on: October 31, 2018, 10:22:14 AM »
Depends on what  is meant By " Virtuial Play " Geoff.
My betting DEPENDS on " Seed Numbers " which requires   " Virtual Play " .  About  90% of Martket Traders lose so chance operates there too , doesn't it ? As it does everywhere where uncertainty rules .   
 

Geoffrey

Re: Using virtual play to your advantage.
« Reply #12 on: October 31, 2018, 02:04:25 PM »
Virtually play , test systems, will not help either. It's only helpfull to see a possible outcome of a specific scenario. Maybe it will more so show you an indication on how you'd prefer to play.

At last, some common sense. So Geoff, aren't you being "narrow minded"?  ;D

Why should that be narrow minded. I dont disregard any kind of play anyone does.

For one, when playing, we all get to see the same information at the same time. As 2 people aren't duplicates of one another, we all interpret this info differently. Although each interpretation is of value. We tend to stick with our own.
Second. All who play, doesn't necissarly mean we all have the same objective.
Third. I dont disregard virtually play, or using 'triggers' . Test sims and looking for 'an opening' are there because of what it is called: 'Testing'. Does virtual play, triggers etc change the outcome in the long run? It wont matter. But ultimately testing imo just serves you to find a play you like. And some ways of play feel better. Tbh i do the trigger thing myself, being wel aware that doesn"t 'protect' me in any way.

So, narrow minded, dont think so
 

Geoffrey

Re: Using virtual play to your advantage.
« Reply #13 on: October 31, 2018, 02:13:47 PM »
Depends on what  is meant By " Virtuial Play " Geoff.
My betting DEPENDS on " Seed Numbers " which requires   " Virtual Play " .  About  90% of Martket Traders lose so chance operates there too , doesn't it ? As it does everywhere where uncertainty rules .   

As in my reply above. I dont disregard virtual play, i do it myself. But i know the outcome will be what it will be, no matter what kind of play.

As for traders, yeah if something aint working, you go back to the 'drawing board'. But as you should be well aware of the way i think. You know, 90% of them losing is mainly due to non appropriate preparation + mostly issues on the psychological part.

Thx again for the suggested read, i didn't know of that book, have to admit you judged it right, many times i was nodding in agreement. But i feel kinda relieved there were couple of things i disagreed with.

Why? Because it was getting freaky. At some point i thought that author was looking into my brain  ;D
 

mr j

Re: Using virtual play to your advantage.
« Reply #14 on: October 31, 2018, 02:33:20 PM »
"As in my reply above. I dont disregard virtual play, i do it myself. But i know the outcome will be what it will be, no matter what kind of play" >> In all seriousness, I still dont get it. I understand the virtual win/loss thingie, then start betting. What is virtual play? You pretend to play? Is virtual play waiting for a trigger?