Author Topic: RESEARCH Theory and Practical  (Read 1834 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

MickyP

RESEARCH Theory and Practical
« on: October 15, 2018, 01:19:51 PM »
So you have learnt the basics of roulette and you've read up on a few methods of play. What next? Do you rush off to the casino or register on an online gaming site in the hope of turning your life around?

Forget the opening sentence but think back to when you were in that position. What did you do?

Research in both theory and practical directs your game play. Experience has been discussed many times on the forum and has been used as a fleeting point of affirmation of ones standing as a player. Experience is nothing more than time wasted if you put the time in but keep on doing the same old thing. Are you growing as a player by learning on your own through trial and error? How much research are you conducting?
Are you waiting for others to post an idea that you can latch onto or are you working through variable to try and create something unique in a few centuries old game?
Do you cast criticism aside or do you use that critique to test the resolve of your idea or method?

I landed in a place I had not anticipated. I joined this forum and really thought that because we are all striving for the same goal it would be a breezy walk in one direction...lol (Rofl), was I wrong in my assumption. Same direction, Yes, but the mode of transport ranges from barefoot on a hot tarred road to supersonic flight.

I must say some negative posts are designed to throw you off track but you need to try and understand the reason why that post was posted. What a person says and what your research reveals could be two different things, what do you do?

Research, testing and evaluating helps to evolve your game. Think over the entire spectrum; inside the box, outside the box and if you can, flatten the box, it's an unnecessary obstruction that compels you to think in a certain way.
 

mr j

Re: RESEARCH Theory and Practical
« Reply #1 on: October 15, 2018, 02:15:13 PM »
People have to fight TWO different issues >>
A) The obvious one, is it making more than its losing? Is it a great, well thought out method?

B) Lets say for the above, its a solid YES. What does that mean? Nothing. Why you ask? It (method) must now be able the be played under *ALL* B&M casino conditions!!!!! Ignatus is a great example of not caring about this advice. There are a ***TON*** of methods that look neato on paper, NOTHING MORE.

"A" needs "B" & "B" needs "A". You canNOT have only one.

Ken
 
The following users thanked this post: MickyP

Greek

Re: RESEARCH Theory and Practical
« Reply #2 on: October 15, 2018, 04:02:40 PM »
I took a newbie on a maiden run yesterday. I told her to apply what she had learned. I told her she was on her own and I wasn't going to say anything. On paper at home, she was killing it. Live, she made all the rookie mistakes. She missed placing a chip on a number that was in her group of numbers. I saw that she missed that number (29) so I put 25.00 on it. It came in. She got excited, thought it was her bet. Of course, being the gentleman I am, I kept it. Lesson learned, sorryyyyy. Missed the "no more bets" warning. There were other mistakes, but that's not the point.

The point is, I don't care how well you strategy works. If you don't know how to play while betting live, your strategy will take a dive; experience that's all I have to say.

 
The following users thanked this post: mr j, scepticus, MickyP

MickyP

Re: RESEARCH Theory and Practical
« Reply #3 on: October 15, 2018, 05:16:31 PM »
Sound advice Ken. Greek, you've raised a very good point and that is learning to play at the table with all the distractions. One early distraction for a newbie is placing bets on all the numbers you intend playing. In test mode at home you have a good visual of all the numbers but when many players are loading bets on the table you have to know where your number to bet is. There are piles of chips on the table and you lose track of the sequence of numbers you're betting on because you can't see the numbers on the felt. This all should be easy but for a new B/M table player it can be very stressful.

This type of experience can only be gained by time spent playing at a table. It can also be difficult at time to focus on what you are doing with all the activity around you, You sometimes end up with chameleon eyes, watching the wheel, table, your pile of chips and all the hands darting onto the table as bets are placed; finally a quick glance at the croupier as no more bets is called. You cup your chips and wait.....

How do you get to a great well thought out method without the necessary experience?
 

Greek

Re: RESEARCH Theory and Practical
« Reply #4 on: October 15, 2018, 06:07:28 PM »
Any well thought out strategy goes through a process, hours of practice and testing, trial and error, balancing the amount of numbers and the type of betting strategy, flat bet verses progression, return of investment. Does it stand up to live play, airball, or RNG? Finally, the live play is ready. It fails, back to the drawing board. Was it human error, meaning not sticking to the plan? Or was it something simple as adjusting the betting strategy?

In any case, the final product presents itself. The roulette player has another arsenal in their pocket of strategies.
 
The following users thanked this post: mr j

Rinad

Re: RESEARCH Theory and Practical
« Reply #5 on: October 15, 2018, 06:42:51 PM »


  the biggest misunderstanding that most players have is the lack of information on how "wins" happen.
let me explain through a example;
you go 16 times to the casino within 6 months.
each trip you made you played 1000 spins.  (2 days of work,stayed overnight)
after all those trips you show a profit of 900 units.
you tell that to your buddies and they go"that's wonderful show me your method". so I show it, explain the nerves you need to have because I play 1 to 3 numbers at most. they learn the system , they go play, they lose, comeback to me and said; it did not work for me sorry.  I go" how many trips have you made,ect...?" never hear about it again.
here is the kicker ; when I look at all 16 trips that I made only 2 of them had a monster amount of units won.
2 trips were losers and the rest were just moderate amounts of profit.
but that is just the nature of gambling friends. it does mean that profits show up in a very unusual distribution.
many players would love to just get a regular amount of profit everytime they go and maybe some systems offer that but I looked for thise types of systems for decades and never found one that works live, or they take all your profits made in months to the cleaner.
I used to play Bj a lot, looking for "home run tables", then pushing my bets real high and take a lot of units at time, so much that they would bring new cards to the table when it took place.
my point is that it was the same thing with home run tables as it is with playing the way I do. but those sessions are not just "lucky ones", they do exist and once you know they do you can count on them.
I said this to said that; do not dismiss so quickly a good method because it did not proved itself the first couple of times you tried it. give it the needed time, it is part of it. be ready for those big turn-up.
it is as simple as this. be quick to stop when losing but not too quick to play when winning.
God bless,
Rinad
 
The following users thanked this post: BlueAngel, MickyP, belonglong

BlueAngel

  • I always express my opinion
  • Hero Member
  • ******
  • Posts: 1977
  • Thanked: 362 times
  • Gender: Male
  • Do you want truth? You cannot handle the truth!
Re: RESEARCH Theory and Practical
« Reply #6 on: October 15, 2018, 07:34:56 PM »
Research = time takes its toll, that's the price we have to pay.
 

MickyP

Re: RESEARCH Theory and Practical
« Reply #7 on: October 15, 2018, 07:35:43 PM »
Now let me throw a spanner in the works by introducing a name that some will scoff about...DrTalos. A fine gentleman in my opinion with good values in life. From the threads he began and from the threads started about him I have learnt a great deal. The way DrTalos approaches roulette was to me a display of confidence from the get go. One simple thing he mentioned is that there should be a target on the wheel/felt and gave some good pointers on how he designs and builds a method. And he taught me a new word "Bertrand". Sure as hell beats HG any day...lol. His manner of going about developing a method or system is/was structured. Almost as though he has a shopping list of ingredients to make a dish. Every ingredient had to be like a piece of a puzzle; it had to fit perfectly into the bigger picture.

Should there be a reason why a specific target on the wheel/felt is selected?
 

mr j

Re: RESEARCH Theory and Practical
« Reply #8 on: October 15, 2018, 08:15:41 PM »
I took a newbie on a maiden run yesterday. I told her to apply what she had learned. I told her she was on her own and I wasn't going to say anything. On paper at home, she was killing it. Live, she made all the rookie mistakes. She missed placing a chip on a number that was in her group of numbers. I saw that she missed that number (29) so I put 25.00 on it. It came in. She got excited, thought it was her bet. Of course, being the gentleman I am, I kept it. Lesson learned, sorryyyyy. Missed the "no more bets" warning. There were other mistakes, but that's not the point.

The point is, I don't care how well you strategy works. If you don't know how to play while betting live, your strategy will take a dive; experience that's all I have to say.


100000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000000% correct.
 

mr j

Re: RESEARCH Theory and Practical
« Reply #9 on: October 15, 2018, 08:19:17 PM »
Sitting at home (testing) in your underwear while farting and eating nachos and drinking a Pepsi with an imaginary 50,000 units vs. the REAL THING at a B&M? (rofl) Night & day friends.

Ken
 

mr j

Re: RESEARCH Theory and Practical
« Reply #10 on: October 15, 2018, 09:32:54 PM »
On paper at home, she was killing it. Live, she made all the rookie mistakes. 


I would love to buy you a steak dinner!! (lol)
 

Rinad

Re: RESEARCH Theory and Practical
« Reply #11 on: October 16, 2018, 01:00:27 AM »


   just to be very honest, I am not a rookie but i have to confess that during my trip last week I done 3 of those mistakes. if we open the door to Murphy he will come in, so keep it close,lol
Rinad
 
The following users thanked this post: mr j

Mako

Re: RESEARCH Theory and Practical
« Reply #12 on: October 16, 2018, 06:30:01 AM »

   just to be very honest, I am not a rookie but i have to confess that during my trip last week I done 3 of those mistakes. if we open the door to Murphy he will come in, so keep it close,lol
Rinad

Seriously, for me, especially when betting 1-4 numbers, the inactive sequences can get long, and the alcohol at my local B&M has a tier upgrade based on comp tier. 

So instead of say just Dewars or another low cost blended scotch, which is what most house scotch is, they upgrade it to a decent Glenlivet, or Macallan, or a next-tier-up single malt.  Nothing truly expensive, but better by a significant degree to the base stuff.

So in my head I'll "sell" myself on it, saying "well, you know, it really is a true value to get a decent 10 year old single malt for free, and if I don't do it then I'm just WASTING that perk of my current tier...So really it's a WIN if I do it, CASE CLOSED..."  ;D ;D ;D

They always find a way to get you....lol
 

mr j

Re: RESEARCH Theory and Practical
« Reply #13 on: October 16, 2018, 12:55:30 PM »
I never drink alcohol while playing!!
 

MickyP

Re: RESEARCH Theory and Practical
« Reply #14 on: October 17, 2018, 08:15:06 AM »
I love this one >> "Forget about good. Good is a known quantity. Good is what we all agree on. As long as you stick to good, you’ll never have real growth." –Bruce Mau

The above quote was posted by Ken; it's one of those feel good quotes until you question what "real growth " is.
« Last Edit: October 17, 2018, 08:16:42 AM by MickyP »