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"7th Heaven" - Flat bets (Parachute like)
« on: October 03, 2018, 06:48:25 PM »
This is a variation of "the parachute" or "target" progression/selection.

It requires 86 units for all 7 levels/cycles.

Level 1 - Even Chance for 2 spins

We begin by betting 2 times an EC, if we win at least 1 time we remain on the same level and continue betting EC in cycles of 2 spins.
When we lose 2 times in 2 spins then it is time to move to level 2 and bet a dozen or a column for 3 successive spins.

Level 2 - Dozen or Column for 3 spins

No matter won or lost per cycle must be concluded with its respective spins duration.
When we win 2 or 3 times out of 3 bets it's time to return to level 1 and bet EC.
When we win only 1 out of 3 we remain on the same level regardless of how many cycles are like this.
When we lose all 3 bets/spins on a dozen or column then it is time to proceed to level 3.

Level 3 - Line for 6 spins

On level 3 we are betting a line for 6 times, when we win 2 or more times within the 6 spins cycle we should return to level 2 and bet a dozen or a column.
When we win 1 out of 6 bets we remain on the same level, the cycle restarts for 6 more spins.
When we lose all 6 spins/bets then we move on to bet a quad for 9 consecutive spins.

Level 4 - Quad for 9 spins

When we win 2 or more times out of 9 bets then we return back to level 3.
When we have an average cycle by achieving only 1 correct prediction out of 9 we stay on the same level.
When we lose all 9 bets it's time to proceed to level 5.

Level 5 Street for 12 spins

When we win 2 or more times out of 12 bets then we return back to level 4.
When we have an average cycle by achieving only 1 correct prediction out of 12 we stay on the same level.
When we lose all 12 bets it's time to proceed to level 6.

Level 6 Split for 18 spins

When we win 2 or more times out of 18 bets then we return back to level 5.
When we have an average cycle by achieving only 1 correct prediction out of 18 we stay on the same level.
When we lose all 18 bets it's time to proceed to level 7.

Level 7 Straight number for 36 spins

When we win 2 or more times return to level 6.
When our selected number hits only once within 36 successive bets then we restart the cycle for another 36 consecutive bets.
When we lose all bets without a hit then it's time to go home.

Alternatively for those of you who would like to extend their action, you could restart from level 1 but this time with 2 units per bet, 2 units also for all subsequent levels bets.
 
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MickyP

Re: "7th Heaven" - Flat bets (Parachute like)
« Reply #1 on: October 03, 2018, 08:21:34 PM »
Hi BlueAngel, thanks for posting this method.

Although I have never played a parachute based method I have followed discussions on the subject and I find that in many cases the methods preform well but like all methods of play one should always keep in mind that the goal is to win, that is, at the end of a cycle one should have at least shown a profit. i don't see the logic of restarting your game at a break even point.

When I read through the basics of this method I picked up that you play all structured bets to their break even point. Is this the main reason why you say you must win twice on that level before reverting back to point A? Why not simply say revert to point A when on a new high?

I hope I'm not putting a spanner in the works by asking these questions but at least I know you will respond with meaning. I must state that I am not trying to bait you or run this method down. Of the few posts of yours that I have read you seem like a thinking person with much to offer. I like the thought and effort you put into your posts and even if I don't follow the carrot; it's a mighty good looking carrot. Lol... I'll be called a newbie again for that comment.

One more question; how do you select your target number or are you relying totally on expectation? Would hot numbers or hot wheel areas not be a consideration at the start of a game?
 

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Re: "7th Heaven" - Flat bets (Parachute like)
« Reply #2 on: October 03, 2018, 09:02:23 PM »
It could work the way you describe, by returning back to ECs after achieving a new BR high seems a bit easier and safer, but my reasoning is that since there are below average cycles there will be also their counterpart, winning cycles which our selection will hit above the average.

By acknowledging this fact if we would bet as you suggested from one hand we would suffer the full range of losses, while from the other we would not take full advantage of the positive cycles because even if the positive results continue we would have reduce the odds significantly, thus less profit.
So it's important for our balance both, the losses and the profit, we have to consider it both ways.

You might find yourself in a situation where you have returned all the way back to level 1 but still you are a bit less than your BR high, it doesn't matter because this will average out eventually no matter in which level you currently are betting.
Also could happen to be on new BR high before you return back to level 1, again it doesn't matter because we want to win as much as possible in positive momentums.

So by considering the situation spherically my opinion is to use it as described without any calculations and consideration for the BR, it's completely mechanical and works on auto-pilot.

As about the selections, I'd prefer to follow the last regardless of in which level I'm currently betting, the reasons are 2:
1) No charting of what came or not, less headache
2) I'm catching all streaks, no matter when or where I'll be there when it happens

We should expect the unexpected, just imagine if there was a 12 streak for some EC, in my case you would experience it with A class ticket!  8)
 
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Re: "7th Heaven" - Flat bets (Parachute like)
« Reply #3 on: October 03, 2018, 09:27:00 PM »
2 times EC of 18 numbers (2 x 18 = 36) 1 cycle
3 times dozen or column of 12 numbers (3 x 12 = 36) 2 cycles
6 times line of 6 numbers (6 x 6 = 36) 3 cycles
9 times quad of 4 numbers (9 x 4 = 36) 4 cycles
12 times street of 3 numbers (12 x 3 = 36) 5 cycles
18 times split of 2 numbers (18 x 2 = 36) 6 cycles
36 times number (1 X 36 = 36) 7 cycles

A break even situation is not a loss, there will be too many other situations to profit from, we should not undermine our possibility to win by reducing the expected range of spins of our bet selection.

We are moving up and down the levels/cycles according to if it was won/lost, only 1 level at a time.

Even if you would lose after the 7th level/cycle you would not lose 86 units because you have to account for all those wins you had till that moment.

You might set as session limits the following:
1) +86 units
and/or
2) -86 units
and/or
3) losing the 7th level (regardless of balance, whenever it happens)
and/or
4) 7 full come backs to level 1 (regardless of balance, whenever it happens)

It's pretty conservative for relative low BRs, if for example someone would be satisfied with something like 8-10 units then he/she would find plenty of situations during a session in order to achieve that.
The draw-downs are gentle and this is good because buys time till the situation turns around.

 

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Re: "7th Heaven" - Flat bets (Parachute like)
« Reply #4 on: October 03, 2018, 10:08:22 PM »
What I like about your approach is the non-pretentious element of going against random.
We really have no idea what numbers will come up next yet hardcore methods use this engraved fallacy of shifting the goal posts expecting a hit because XYZ happened. Don't get me wrong, I'm all for Triggers and Patterns (waves if you like) as long as I am able to profit from the wisdom of wave selection.

This method although not my hue of carrot has credibility because you are waging against or for expectation and you have seven levels to bail you out should you encounter the run from hell. The fact is that we have no reliable method of prediction that can sustain the average system.

I'm sure that you have remedial actions to take when the game goes south. I'm interested to hear whether you would propose a progression or virtual play to bring the wave to normality before you continue play again.

And again, one question: How would this method fair on a live B/M table with the betting restrictions on inside vs outside bets? Surely the chip outlay will be out of reach for players with a small "chip total bankroll"? I know I could work it out for myself but I'm asking on behalf of other members/guests.

 
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Re: "7th Heaven" - Flat bets (Parachute like)
« Reply #5 on: October 03, 2018, 10:36:40 PM »
Like I've already said from post number 1, if someone wants to extend their play beyond a lost 7th level/cycle (this is where you bet only 1 number), you can restart from level 1 but this time with 2 units per bet/level.
This can go on and on as long as you like, the 2 units to become 3, the 3 to become 4...etc
Just one advise, in case you'd decide to extend the 7 basic to another round of 7 levels (with 2 units), you should revert back to 1 unit whenever you totally recover from 1st round's loss.
By reverting back to 1 it doesn't mean that you are interrupting/changing the betting schedule, you'll continue where you are but with 1 instead of 2 units.

Do you mean that the "outside" bets have higher limit than the "inside" bets?
So in such case you have to use the same value to all bets according the EC minimum, this is not necessarily bad because you can win more.

Another tweak which could be implemented is to apply the very same betting schedule in all 3 ECs pairs, each betting schedule works independently/separately from the other, in other words you become a 3-facet persona as: me,myself and I, you could even keep 3 different accounts.

In my point of view this betting method is good for starters, it accompanies well a main strategy which might needs charting without betting.
 
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Re: "7th Heaven" - Flat bets (Parachute like)
« Reply #6 on: October 04, 2018, 08:10:23 AM »
"One, two three, four, five, six, seven
All good children go to Heaven" (The Beatles).
Librarians tell me that books with "Seven" in their titles are popular. From my point of view: Superstition.

The worst case scenario:
 (19/37)^2  X (25/37)^3  X (31/37)^6  X(33/37)^9  X (34/37)^12  X (35/37)^18  X (36/37)^36 = 0.00049961608.
 
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Re: "7th Heaven" - Flat bets (Parachute like)
« Reply #7 on: October 04, 2018, 08:33:59 AM »


Blue Angel this is good thinking and very good parachute method.
Is rare to find such good method posted so i save the topic as PDF.

Thanks you.

Cheers
 
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Re: "7th Heaven" - Flat bets (Parachute like)
« Reply #8 on: October 04, 2018, 05:45:45 PM »
Nice BA, one of the better Parachute examples that's been posted. 

To anyone testing it, always choose FTL as for your bet selection as they go together well.
 
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Re: "7th Heaven" - Flat bets (Parachute like)
« Reply #9 on: October 06, 2018, 05:30:28 AM »
Here I'm going to report from time to time my experiments.
I've a goal to turn a small BR into as large as it gets with this method.

I've deposit on 4th of October 100 Euros, now there are 205.75, so far so good.
I've played 2 sessions, the first was short and sweet, the second was long and hard!

I'd like to focus on the 2nd session, there was a quite large "gap" of wins, the betting schedule reached the 6th level with 1 unit, when on the splits there were 3-4 wins clustered but not in new BR high, so dropped 1 level which was lost, the 5th on the streets.
After that lost level I forgot what it means a win, it went all the way to the 6th level of splits but on 2 units without a single win!

Over there I've made 1 win, thus the level restarted and then lost.
So after reaching 7th level with straight up number I won once, the level/cycle restarted and on the 2nd time lost.
So I've reached 3 units/1st level by betting ECs, there were a few back and forth between 1st and 2nd level, eventually, after a few more par levels on ECs I've won and returned back to 2 units/7th level.

I had 1 par for start, then I have noticed that number 34 was missing for long and derailed my betting selection from last number to 34.
While I was betting 34 the 1 hit back to back, 2 times in a row.
I've jumped to  bet it and hit for 3rd time in the row, however, eventually the last number delayed to hit again and since 34 was still absent I've decided to bet it again.

While betting 34 the 5 hit back to back and jumped to it, after missing 5 the cherry top came by hitting the 34 as I was following the last number, however, I've managed to get 3 hits and dropped 1 level.
On 6th level/2 units won too with the splits, but lost on 5th level with the streets.
So up 1 level again by betting splits, 3 hits there brought me to a new BR high and rushed to return to 1st level/1 unit, BUT if I had just decreased the unit from 2 to 1 but remained according to the betting schedule, then there was another hit immediately after the 3rd split win, also it would have been a win the 1st bet of the 5th level with streets...

All well finally, BUT I believe there are lessons to be learned from my lack of discipline!
 
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Re: "7th Heaven" - Flat bets (Parachute like)
« Reply #10 on: October 06, 2018, 12:22:29 PM »
Lack of discipline, BA, ? Me too,
I usually avoid progressions like The Plague but was lured into one which promised  a win within 16 bets. As I had never had more than 12 consecutive losses  I thought I would give it a go.
462 chips risked @ 25p.. ( I don ‘t do simulations )
It started well and I was over £30 in profit and then the 16 losses happened  and I finished with a loss of £89.
What I took from that experience is that I, at least , bet to the bitter end and reinforced my prejudice against progressions 
 

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Re: "7th Heaven" - Flat bets (Parachute like)
« Reply #11 on: October 06, 2018, 03:33:55 PM »
You have never lost more than 12 consecutive times and it happened to you when used the progression, luck could be hard from time to time.
Yesterday I've seen 13 blacks combined with two 0s to form a 15 losing streak for reds, a column hitting 6 times in a row.

I remember years ago when I was betting on the air-ball roulette of my local casino, I was betting for any number to reach 3 hits within 37 spins, so I bet all the repeated twice numbers to become thrice hit with a progression.
In my second day happened 18 doubles before a number reaches 3 hits!

Can you calculate the odds of this happening??
It happened to me on the 2nd day!

The point is that situation which we consider extreme are happening within the first 3 days, people be aware!
 

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Re: "7th Heaven" - Flat bets (Parachute like)
« Reply #12 on: October 06, 2018, 04:39:20 PM »
How about the time when I was betting for only 1 repeat within the spins range 31-37, 23 unique/different numbers till the 30th spin, I begin betting:
23 numbers then 24, then 25, then 26, then 27, then 28, then 29, here is where my BR has been effectively eliminated and I was hoping NOT to see the last remaining one as repeat, at least in this respect I was lucky as on 37th spin came the 30th unique/different number!

Can you calculate the odds of that?!

Another time I was betting a single number for 115 successive spins and lost, on the very next spin that number came!
Countless times to bet a number, or a few numbers and the ball jumping to the adjacent pocket.
Countless times to come what I was betting just 1 spin later or 1 pocket away.

The common on all these was: Automatic Air-ball Wheels!

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Re: "7th Heaven" - Flat bets (Parachute like)
« Reply #13 on: October 06, 2018, 05:35:30 PM »
Did a run today for you today BA, used sequential live spins from a single table from Wiesbaden. 

It did well, no real drama, never got past L6 @ 1u.  :)
 
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Re: "7th Heaven" - Flat bets (Parachute like)
« Reply #14 on: October 06, 2018, 05:44:23 PM »
I remember years ago when I was betting on the air-ball roulette of my local casino, I was betting for any number to reach 3 hits within 37 spins, so I bet all the repeated twice numbers to become thrice hit with a progression.
In my second day happened 18 doubles before a number reaches 3 hits!

Can you calculate the odds of this happening??
It happened to me on the 2nd day!

My BR was busted from the 15th double, but I was so socked that I wanted to see where would it end, 18 doubles concluded around 45th spin.