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UnlikelySam

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #15 on: September 07, 2019, 07:13:56 AM »
Thanks Scep. The RNG reference is in relation to the patent below

https://patents.google.com/patent/EP1937379A2/en

However it is yet to be established how this RNG actually applies to this machine ( as to whether the pocket the ball lands in is ultimately predetermined before ball release via the RNG) and not a totally random event ??? ??? ???

This would totally defeat the whole purpose of playing in a B&M environment if so  :-\   >:(

Have you noticed that the ball jumps quite often into the adjacent pockets aggressively at times? Unlike a croupier spun wheel - its a tad bit rare to see that happen frequently. It could be coincidental though due to centrifugal forces imposed  :D  Perhaps due to there being more deflectors / diamonds present on the automated wheel , the ball hops about much more before coming to a total standstill :P  or perhaps it's a "controlled" puff of air at the precise moment in time ;)  ROFL... What is the brand of your Airball?
 
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Greek

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #16 on: September 07, 2019, 05:18:23 PM »
Nothing can replace the feeling of being in a B&M casino. Live tables is where the money is made. Five sessions of 500 dollars each session, per day. So at the end of playing 4 days a week, that's 10,000.00. Do the math.

Airball is also great. However, there are some disadvantages, like table limits. Sometimes depending of the casino, if the player bets more than 33.00 on a straight up bet, the machine will lock up and call attendant notice will pop up and the player has to provide ID to get a payout, tax reporting documents.

The most challenging part of beating airball is when the table limit is unfair to the player. For example, one dollar minimum bet and 35 dollar max bet per spin. Unless the player has away of beating the game of roulette, playing with this type of conditions, the player has to be lucky to play this type of airball machine. The great thing about playing airball is the player can use tracking cards.
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Greek

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #17 on: September 07, 2019, 05:23:37 PM »
Attached is a photo of a cash out ticket last night from a machine of the above parameters. The buy in was 300.00. The cash out was 707.00
 

UnlikelySam

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #18 on: September 07, 2019, 06:23:40 PM »

Well done on the win Greek ... I agree with your sentiments ; within the blink of an eye they have halved d max bet for SU yes halved it but offcourse the minimum bets did not change (naturally all part of their plan lol) for the progression killers :o

Here is some highly informative "Intel" maybe some may find it useful  https://patents.google.com/patent/US20140015194A1/en

Now everything really makes sense if this could be likened to somewhat at an RNG level!!! RNg has some pretty weird repeats and at times long streaks of dozens etc etc... The very same "weird" conditions were present during one particular session play :

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Scenarios as such were not uncommon even stacks of Zeroooooos lol. It's all fair and well even if it uses an RNG as there are ways and means to capitalize on that as with certain fair RNG platforms ; however a machine that is on constant high alert to always ensure maximum profit for the House via the ball landing on sectors where no actual bets were placed is another beast on its own... And yes once again those damn betting limits just add to it... >:( Calling it a talking killing machine would be far too kind...

 
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scepticus

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #19 on: September 07, 2019, 07:33:54 PM »
Greek
1 ) Do you mean you  WIN 500 units per session ?
2 ) Why do you need to bet more than 33 units on a number ? Do you mean you use a progression ?

Sam
I don't know the make of Airball but neither do I care .  I am comfortable with it  ans it's spins are regular . I don't understand why people play ANY machine when they think it is unfair .
 

Greek

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #20 on: September 07, 2019, 07:59:26 PM »
These are dollars.33 dollars on a straight up number will pay 1188.00.The threshold for manual payout is 1200.00.So if you do not want to be taxed or the machine to lock, the max bet per straight up is 33.00.
Why would I play 33.00 straight up? I want to be paid 1188.00 without dealing with an attendant or being taxed for the win, all flat bets.

 

UnlikelySam

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #21 on: September 07, 2019, 08:06:39 PM »
Exactly Scep a fair Rng or Airball or any form of game of chance ! It's  really great to know you are winning consistently at it. I know a few others that are also winning and emphasis on a few. I too do not comprehend why one would still play on any rigged platform. As for this particular machine I cannot really ascertain as to its fairness nor unfairness just yet as it's still early stages (although people tend to complain alot at the terminals lol) .

There is just far too much negativity surrounding Airball ; once again it is reassuring to hear of your success - there's hope yet perhaps...  How would you deem an Airball machine to be fair and consistent factoring variance naturally?  If your bet selection wins consistently at the tables but fails miserably or remotely at Airball then one would that presume a rigged / unfair machine ; not so?
 

scepticus

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #22 on: September 07, 2019, 08:14:04 PM »
Greek
You bet 33 units each bet ?  What is your table bankroll / your session bankroll ?.

Sam
I win both at tables and Airball but not RNG  . There are 2 dealers I seldom win with but I continue to play at their tables . I don't have any hang-ups . I will beat them  EVENTUALLY ! ( If someone could  tell me WHEN " eventually" will happen   :D
 

UnlikelySam

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #23 on: September 07, 2019, 08:31:27 PM »
Scep when I gave those patents a once over earlier I was  ;D  as it mentioned RNG and I recalled your previous post about not being familiar with RNG... It appears you may be more familiar with it than you realize :D  Most if not all Airball uses a form of RNG ; that's why amongst other things I asked what was the brand ???

At the very mention of RNG the first thing that surfaces on the mind is Slots or maybe a picture of a wheel thats "pasted" on the screen ;D  Ok Ok enough about all that jargon ; all that matters is you have an advantage! Now are those 2 dealers that good at sector spinning ?
 
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Greek

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #24 on: September 08, 2019, 08:15:20 AM »
Greek
You bet 33 units each bet ?  What is your table bankroll / your session bankroll ?.

On a live table my straight up bet is 50.00 dollars. On an airball machine my straight up bet is 33.00 dollars, for reasons stated above.

Live play: Session bankroll is 2,000.00 dollars. Target win is 14,000.00. Table bankroll is 20,000.00 dollars.

Airball play: Session bank roll is 1,000.00. Target win is 10,000.00. Table bankroll is 15,000.00 dollars.
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scepticus

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #25 on: September 08, 2019, 11:26:55 AM »
Jeez  !  Greek .   You are a REAL gambler !
How many numbers do you bet on a  spin  ?
I don't have a target win figure , I just take it as it comes . Win some lose some !  As a recreational  player I don't even have a Betting Bankroll as such  .I just use some of my income so , for me , a Betting Bank is only  a mathematical notion .
 

MrPerfect.

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #26 on: September 08, 2019, 02:28:42 PM »
Sceps,  l think you are right on this one... betting so many numbers and taking any win out to not pass treshold... if target is 1880 , why win is 700? If session bank is 1k and win amount is 10k... something fishy is going on with this story. It doesn't add up.
 

Greek

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #27 on: September 08, 2019, 02:51:21 PM »
Sceps,  l think you are right on this one... betting so many numbers and taking any win out to not pass treshold... if target is 1880 , why win is 700? If session bank is 1k and win amount is 10k... something fishy is going on with this story. It doesn't add up.
Nothing can replace the feeling of being in a B&M casino. Live tables is where the money is made. Five sessions of 500 dollars each session, per day. So at the end of playing 4 days a week, that's 10,000.00. Do the math.

Airball is also great. However, there are some disadvantages, like table limits. Sometimes depending [on] the casino, if the player bets more than 33.00 on a straight up bet, the machine will lock up and call attendant notice will pop up and the player has to provide ID to get a payout, tax reporting documents.

The most challenging part of beating airball is when the table limit is unfair to the player. For example, one dollar minimum bet and 35 dollar max bet per spin. Unless the player has away of beating the game of roulette, playing with this type of conditions, the player has to be lucky to play this type of airball machine. The great thing about playing airball is the player can use tracking cards.

The win is 700.00 dollars because max bet is 35.00 dollars per spin at this Arizona casino on this airball machine.

That means the player can make only bets up to 35.00. So, if the player wants to bet even chances the max bet is 35.00. Imagine playing inside bets. Now you have only 35.00 dollars max bet. Say you want to bet 7 numbers. Each bet will have 5.00 dollars straight up.

Now,  in Las Vegas on the other hand, limits are much higher. You need a good bankroll if you are a serious gambler.

If a player wants to make a bet in Las Vegas on an airball machine, their limits are much higher than 35.00 per spin. But, like I said. If you hit a spin above 33.00 on a number, your machine will lock up and an attendant will have to assist you to get paid.
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Greek

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #28 on: September 08, 2019, 03:18:33 PM »
Jeez  !  Greek .   You are a REAL gambler !
How many numbers do you bet on a  spin  ?
I don't have a target win figure , I just take it as it comes . Win some lose some !  As a recreational  player I don't even have a Betting Bankroll as such  .I just use some of my income so , for me , a Betting Bank is only  a mathematical notion .
I am not a real gambler. I am a professional gambler. A professional gambler knows that playing roulette has to be treated like a business. In answer to your question on how many numbers do I bet on a spin, well, it depends on the strategy, 1, 2, 3, 4, 6, 7, 8, 9, 12, 14, 18 number strategies.

It's common to have a betting range per number any where from 5.00 dollars to 100.00 dollars straight up.

If a player does not have a target win or loss, for that matter, a substantial bankroll, or business mindset, that player has no business playing roulette for a living.

 
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UnlikelySam

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #29 on: September 08, 2019, 03:42:49 PM »
Yep got to treat this as a business and apply business minded principles especially if one is a professional. Great... Greek are you perhaps playing on the Interblock machines?