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GIAJJENNO

B&M bs. Airball roulette
« on: September 04, 2018, 12:27:06 PM »
Hi guys, I just wanna ask, that have you discovered some big differences between these 2 kind of roulette table? Of course I know that in b and m crupier spin the ball, and in airball (what I play) the machine spins after 30-60 seconds.

But in spinning numbers I mean, or long sequences in one dozen, can be similar ,or different?

Do you think when I sit down at aitball table, and I am up example +20 units, the machine start to spin numbers what I had not place bet? I think in b and m (real casino) the crupier can do the same thing with me or with you.

Have you discovered something different between the two side?

Thanks for the answers.

Giaj
 
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Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #1 on: September 04, 2018, 11:50:59 PM »
heres the thing i that i understand - apparently - to be certified by GLI at least, the outcome can not be based on the bets being made, and only on the RNG.

Now hold your horses im not done yet. Although they are only based on the RNG, the casinos are still able to "throw out" or "cycle" through the random numbers if they are not statistically sound. <---- pay close attention to that mostly

These RNGs cant change in between the manufacturers and the casinos, because of the ability to confirm the program is still the same. Every single file on your computers, if they are unique, and not a copy of another file will generate whats called a HASH that lets you or anyone know that the program they are using is the RNG that the manufacturers say it is.

SO the only thing that they CAN do, which im pretty sure is pre programmed from the manufacturer, is allow the manufacturers software to choose what is random for them, the casino.

This is whats known as fair, because not one person or group of people can benefit off of these machines, except the people who are willing to put up the money to be lost.
 
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MrPerfect.

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #2 on: September 05, 2018, 03:29:01 PM »
Giaj, there are differences between normal wheels and airballs.  First one is obvious.  There is not supposed to be human interference in airballs.  In some cases there is a possibility to such interfence. . like remote choice of algorithm of operation, swich between predermined algorithms..ets.
    Some airballs are programmed to take player down. There is one particular kind( make) of airballs that has been spotted to do it. If you wish, send me picture of airball you are playing, maybe l already played these and could give you more detailed advice.
     If you want to rule out roque airballs, look how ball jump. If it doesn't jump and you can spot changes in rotor speed , there is a chance that program choose number to target.
 
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GIAJJENNO

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #3 on: September 05, 2018, 03:59:38 PM »
Thanks MrPerfect, I will send you a PM if its good for you, with my airball roulette pictures. Do you think really that it can be programmed thar its spin numbers to player lost? Its sad but I understqnd them. 
 

MrPerfect.

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #4 on: September 05, 2018, 04:51:19 PM »
Yes pm is fine.
   Yes it can be programed to hit numbers that have less bets on it. Be it by directly hitting desired number ( where ball don't jump) , or changing conditions to favor other numbers ( automatically or manually ).
    It's not a superbig effort from their part to make any player to loose, enough to make game random.
 

Dane

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #5 on: September 06, 2018, 06:51:52 AM »
No, MrPerfect, but it seems to be a superbig effort for you to remove a letter from "loose". Allow me to repeat once more: "Lose". With only one o.
As you might remember, the summer was rather hot in Scandinavia. Indoor activities suited me fine. I had won much money playing  the airball machine in Casino Odense, Denmark. Nothing seems to be wrong there in this small casino.
From there I went to casino cosmopol in Stockholm, Sweden. It struck how often the ball in the airball machine NEARLY hit the numbers that I wagered. I could not prove anything, but I went to one of the real tables with dealers and won much money. And the dealers there are not allowed to receive tips!
« Last Edit: September 06, 2018, 06:53:28 AM by Dane »
 

MrPerfect.

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #6 on: September 06, 2018, 07:30:39 PM »
Thanks,  Dane , l probably will not remember,  but lm thankfull for your effort.
   Congratulations on your win. Autoroulette sucks sometimes... if you wanna be absolutely sure about event, it helps to film it . I know it's not easy in some places. It even very well may be illegal,  if you decide to film, be sure about corresponding local  legislation. 
 
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Dane

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #7 on: September 07, 2018, 10:34:33 AM »
Thanks! Probably you´ll only find ONE 0 (Zero) in your roulette.
Accordingly we´ll find only ONE o in losing.  :)
casino cosmopol made me go through a metal detector. I even had to take off my watch.
And I am sure that guests at the casinos in Denmark are not allowed to film. SO I´ll  tend to avoid autoroulette. Better safe than sorry.
 

MickyP

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #8 on: June 03, 2019, 08:32:33 PM »
I paid a visit to one of my "local" casinos in Johannesburg over the weekend and saw that they created a roulette studio setup that can accommodate a fair number of players, each at their own console. There are two wheels up front with big screen displays above them; one is automated (airball) and the other has a croupier spinning the ball. Croupier changes occur on a regular basis (same as on a proper table).
Player can select which one of the wheels they want to play. obviously the croupier wheel is slower than the airball wheel.
I didn't try it out but thought I should mention it on the forum. If anyone has any hints or tips on this type of setup, I'd appreciate hearing from you.
I will try playing on the normal croupier operated wheel on my next visit. Nice thing is that I do not have to play every spin when I'm at a console.
The wheels have no visible branding so I could not  see the manufacturer name.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2019, 08:59:57 PM by MickyP »
 

juice

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #9 on: June 03, 2019, 08:54:02 PM »
 
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fiben7

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #10 on: June 03, 2019, 09:00:30 PM »
Hi MickyP,

sure, there is the same setup in both major casinos in Greece. Numerous consoles and a choice on your screen among 2 airball and 2 croupier wheels. You can sit around, enjoy your coffee or drink, write down your notes with pen and paper, and choose when and how to bet, without anyone bothering you. excellent stuff. Airball ones look to me as the less prone to messing up with (I now know the correct terminology, I stupidly insisted calling them automatic mechanic roulettes and blah blah :P ). this is where I do my tests and record my spins.

you are welcome to visit Greece anytime!
 
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ahlidap

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #11 on: June 03, 2019, 09:11:37 PM »


In my rare visits to B&M, I never played the standard wheel / table, or airball.
I've always gone to the one with croupier, but with a table with several touch screens and chairs.

Why? Lower minimum bets.
All the rest is seems fair, and pretty much the same, even the croupiers that are on that wheel sometimes are on the other ones.

Easier to place bets, easy sector betting (just like online)... a bunch of advantages.
You just have to test the wheel and check if it met your requirements :)

 
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MickyP

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #12 on: June 03, 2019, 09:23:52 PM »
Thanks for the picture Juice. The setup here is very similar but not as grand as in your picture...lol

Fiben7, thanks for the info. I really don't trust airball at all so I'll play the croupier operated wheel and see what gives.
True, the fact that you can sit uninterrupted and not be pressured to make a bet is great. Also you don't have people squeezing in next to you at a table or playing over your shoulder. This was one of the reasons why I looked at short sessions (silly, I know) but I don't enjoy a table that is too crowded. I subsequently discovered the power of short sessions...lol
Greece? Yes, would love to visit. I watch a lot of History Documentaries and the Greeks did wonders for civilization. Thanks.

Thanks Ahlidap, sounds good.
« Last Edit: June 03, 2019, 09:27:35 PM by MickyP »
 
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UnlikelySam

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #13 on: September 06, 2019, 07:33:37 PM »

Greetings fellow members and lurkers ;)

I have read up extensively on various Automated Airball topics over time however unfortunately certain criteria still remains inconclusive  ??? In all honesty as off only recently have I actually started playing them... It all started when on a particular day when just a handful of tables were opened and it was getting a bit too on the crowded side of things for me. Often passed by these "machines"  many times so decided what the heck so in the words of Marvin Gaye - Let's get it on ;D

Man oh man I share the very same sentiments of all what was posted above from the respected members with regards to having total tranquility to record spins , gather your thoughts and by far the most vital aspect - not having people constantly hovering over you to place their bets >:( I managed to bring it up to a modest 20 Units fairly  quick although there were some up and down moments. I'm not totally convinced though... :-\

In most of the threads on this beast called Airball , a commonly shared viewpoint is never ever play it if you are the only one at the terminal ( even people playing at the termina mentioned it lol)...
" It is predetermined , RNG and patented under a slot machine etc etc ... "

Spins are quick and convenient however is it even worth playing on them ? Are they really out to " get us " ? Can one win consistently on them or even every now and then for that matter? I know some would not dare to even waste a dime on them :-[  Are there any having any success on Airball after all these years since it's release? The brand at the B&M is the infamous Interblock... There are plenty of ball scatter and jumps at times. There is about 17 seconds after ball release to place your bets.

Regards

Sam...
 

scepticus

Re: B&M bs. Airball roulette
« Reply #14 on: September 07, 2019, 01:23:50 AM »
My  experience of Airball is positive . My experience of RNG FAR from positive. In a casino operated by a legitimatelarge company anyway .