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Re: What data is useful to collect
« Reply #30 on: May 18, 2018, 12:53:24 PM »
Hi Well i dont know how to work out average expectations on a -EV game other than if i wager £1000 on a session i expect to lose that session £27 I can only go on what my results are.

Currently this year i tend to lose 1-2 sessions out of 10 all the others I would either meet target or exceed it.

However I will settle for a lower than target if its a struggle and have come back from negative.

The great thing about roulette is that there is a zillion ways to play it and everyone has methods they like or play with. Im just always happy with any month that hasn't shown a loss, which alas has been 1 month already this year.

Whether im a fool or not i still believe roulette can be profitable and has been for me for the past few years, just a shame i get a bit weak with the slots and give them some back.

I have a friend that does massive low risk bets ( generally just one a day! ) and can make as much as £3000 a month his target is £2000 a month but i would never have the balls to play his way. I have seen his bank statements so know his profits are legit, so if online was truely rigged how is he managing to be that lucky?

 

MrPerfect.

Re: What data is useful to collect
« Reply #31 on: May 18, 2018, 05:39:24 PM »
Probably he knows something he do not tell you, or positive variance. ... difficult to say without looking to betting history. 
    There is only one way to play roulette for profit - need to find advantage and hold it as long as you can. How to explore it when you found it, it's other story.
 

Re: What data is useful to collect
« Reply #32 on: May 18, 2018, 11:02:23 PM »
He does risky bets  i been round there when he does it

£100 on numbers etc, covers most the wheel bar about 5

one spin sometimes 2 and then quits

 

MrPerfect.

Re: What data is useful to collect
« Reply #33 on: May 22, 2018, 08:05:42 AM »
 It doesn't look like some motivated action . Most probably your friend just gambling. 
 

Re: What data is useful to collect
« Reply #34 on: May 22, 2018, 11:42:40 AM »
Yeah possibly but he treats it like a job as its his main income.

We actually went to a BM casino last night so got to watch him play LIVE, was quite amazing to watch and obviously I saw a lot of what he was doing.

When we left I had made £60  he made  £4,200

But I did see exactly what bets he was placing and it looks like.

He obviously waits for some sort of trigger, as he seems to pounce without warning  betting on 6 neighbour bets  eg 30 numbers  x £100  =  a £3000 bet !

And he was monitoring at least 3 tables at once, sometimes it was a good 10-15 mins before he would bet but when he did he didnt lose a single one.

While chatting to him he did say something on the lines hes not trying to predict where its going more where its not.

He also said when we left that he had been a bit greedy and wouldnt have normally pushed for that many spins but the wheels and dealers were "playing nicely"  whatever that means.

I asked him what does he do when he loses a spin and he just said start again, I then asked what he meant by that and he said that £100 bets were not his start point he progresses from £25 ones and that his first 5 spins are the most vulnerable.

It has sparked my interest i must say and would love your thoughts on it.
« Last Edit: May 22, 2018, 11:45:45 AM by RoulettePlayer »
 

mr j

Re: What data is useful to collect
« Reply #35 on: May 22, 2018, 01:10:18 PM »
"I asked him what does he do" >> I get asked this OFTEN !!

I give my standard answer....."Just having a lucky day."

I share NOTHING. I did all the work, go do it yourself.
Ken
 

Re: What data is useful to collect
« Reply #36 on: May 22, 2018, 01:55:00 PM »
Well Ken,

He's a mate so happy to tell me, its by no means a guarantee, like any system / method theres risk and Im not likely to ever have the balls to bet the amounts he does even if its actually the casinos money hes betting with at the moment. LOL  I couldnt even justify his starting bet of 750 that's a third of my yearly roulette bankroll!

Remember he has to win 25 times without a loss to get to that level of betting, and im not sure about leaving a 7 block of numbers next to each other empty either as im sure skilled dealers could target a sector of that size.
 

dobbelsteen

Re: What data is useful to collect
« Reply #37 on: May 22, 2018, 02:16:21 PM »
Rouletteplayer I have the impression your friend play nearly the same as I do. I observe 4 or 5 real tables in my B&M casino. I follow the table outcomes on two screens and after particular triggers, I bet on 30 numbers. In most cases I can bet the High or Low numbers. This is important when the zero falls on the the French roulette. The House Edge is significant lower. My record is more than 30 executed hits. the win percentage is 20 % per hit. The trigger is the outcome of DSs, dozens and columns and a little bit High and Low. The Dobbelsteen theory is the basic of the strategy. My method is not a system
 
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MrPerfect.

Re: What data is useful to collect
« Reply #38 on: May 22, 2018, 03:04:10 PM »
Dobbelsteen, how do you classify your method if not a "system"? This sparkles my curiosity...
 

Re: What data is useful to collect
« Reply #39 on: May 22, 2018, 04:12:49 PM »
Rouletteplayer I have the impression your friend play nearly the same as I do. I observe 4 or 5 real tables in my B&M casino. I follow the table outcomes on two screens and after particular triggers, I bet on 30 numbers. In most cases I can bet the High or Low numbers. This is important when the zero falls on the the French roulette. The House Edge is significant lower. My record is more than 30 executed hits. the win percentage is 20 % per hit. The trigger is the outcome of DSs, dozens and columns and a little bit High and Low. The Dobbelsteen theory is the basic of the strategy. My method is not a system

Yeah similar by the sound of it, but he does neighbour bets leaving a block of 7 numbers uncovered.

As of last night he told me he's at his best ever run of  43 wins straight. Before that his best was only 32. However this is over a couple of weeks as generally he only plays 1 or 2 spins a day esp when hes at "max bet"

He didnt tell me what the trigger is, ,and i didnt ask, TBH i dont really need to know but im sure it will be something to do with distances the dealer is throwing.

He said each spin has a 81% chance to win so can easily get 1/2 hits a day fairly safely.

I think personally, sooner or later tho hes bound to have 2 or 3 losers in a row and that would completely destroy his bankroll, but so far he said hes only ever had 2 losses back to back and that 5 winners recovers a loss anyway.

Interesting stuff i might have a go on 25p chips just for a laugh  :)
 

dobbelsteen

Re: What data is useful to collect
« Reply #40 on: May 23, 2018, 08:57:52 AM »
A system has fixed rules. SSB for the ECs is a very particular system. The fixed rules are first the expectation that a 10 random number random will not repeat and second after every hit you wager on a new 10 random number and third the bet scheme is grant Martingale or Martingale. It is very easy to program the system in Excel. See my examples. The betting is also very easy ,see the  YouTube presentation.

All 37 wagers have a mathematical chance, base on the 37 numbers. Clusters of numbers have a relative chance (my definition).3 Executed red numbers have  a RC of 1/9. A combination of a MC and a RC makes the trigger. These combinations create many triggers and some of them are my favorites. For a outsider I play very chaotic,  but after every bet there is a thought .

Rouletteplayer when you bet on the numbers of the wheel, you have to place 30 units. When you play that game with 5 DS, you can start the game with 5 units. All the betted numbers are also neighbors.

A 30 number bet has a MC of 30/37. The fist rule is  30x2.7= 81%