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mr j

Re: Hits v Repeaters
« Reply #105 on: July 30, 2018, 01:24:19 AM »
Another quote (not Turbo) from a long term player >>"He must go thru this phase. It's part of gaining experience".
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100% correct. Meaning, (PHASE PHASE PHASE) the young pups must get "this" out of their system in order to MOVE ON in later months/years.
Ken
 

sam41

Re: Hits v Repeaters
« Reply #106 on: August 03, 2018, 08:12:44 PM »
So if we can safely ignore cold numbers why don't we all just play 32 numbers, not covering the 5 coldest? Hit and run. £3200 on the table for £400 profit. One spin a day. We never lose our bank because colds didn't wake up yet!

Or why don't we play 18 numbers, leaving out the 5 cold? We're essentially then playing 18 Vs 14 numbers which gives us a huge edge, even if the occasional cold does hit.

Something tells me it won't be as simple as this though!
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mr j

Re: Hits v Repeaters
« Reply #107 on: August 03, 2018, 11:36:39 PM »
or play the 3-4 hottest but under extreme disciplined conditions/rules? There's a thought.

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Re: Hits v Repeaters
« Reply #108 on: September 20, 2018, 01:41:20 PM »
Years ago I was betting on Smart live casino in similar way...there was a sequence which had 23 uniques in 30 spins, which way would you bet??
I bet for a repeater the remaining 7 spins and lost 7 times in a row while 7 new uniques came in 7 successive spins, making for 30 uniques in 37 spins...you can never be too sure!

We are trying to learn by experience (practical knowledge) but the game keeps reminding us that we know nothing!
You go for repeats and uniques dominate, you back the uniques and repeats happen...sit could happen in many ways, be prepared!
 

mr j

Re: Hits v Repeaters
« Reply #109 on: September 20, 2018, 07:52:57 PM »
I'm bad at wording this but I'll try.....when a method is working out pretty good, but test after test after test, you keep hitting a brick wall at a certain point.

Up to that brick wall point, keep THAT PART of the method off to the side. I always look at a method in terms of, sections of the rules. Even the worst methods (like here) have something decent about it.

Anyways, lets say you were to bet on hot numbers (as an example). You can come up with at least 25 variations (or rules) for your method. Most people will not THINK OF 25 variations. IMO, most will come up with around 5. It leaves a ton more work to do. *MOST* have little interest in this "more work to do" style.
I pity them...no wait...I dont.

 

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Re: Hits v Repeaters
« Reply #110 on: September 20, 2018, 08:14:02 PM »
You think you're perfect, yes it's true!
This world has been made for me and you...
Things have not gone the way I planned...you gotta to tell me, I need to know!  8)

 

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Re: Hits v Repeaters
« Reply #111 on: September 20, 2018, 09:51:13 PM »
Perfect? No, but getting closer by the month.

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Re: Hits v Repeaters
« Reply #112 on: September 20, 2018, 10:05:13 PM »
Perhaps after death you'll get there...keep walking!
 

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« Reply #113 on: September 21, 2018, 04:15:20 PM »
Perfect can be only one  :P
 
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Re: Hits v Repeaters
« Reply #114 on: November 08, 2018, 01:25:02 AM »
I like this thread.  I think starting over on the repeater list is a mistake.
 

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Re: Hits v Repeaters
« Reply #115 on: November 20, 2018, 12:57:42 AM »
I always thought there was something in repeaters and they are more reliable than going for the unhits. Google the VLS Holly system - it's an oldie but a goodie. The premise is simple - get 18 unique numbers and start to play by betting a unit on them all. If a new number hits, cross off the furthest one back and replace it with the new one. Flat betting, with an aim of 7 hits above your bankroll (though you could go for less if you wanted) or stop loss of 7 losses below it (or wipe out if you start with the correct 126 units). Where this method tweaks what I've done in the past though, aside from it being flat betting (which is better) is where a number has repeated, you never cross it out. Keep all repeaters and only cross out the furthest back single to have appeared. The system works very well as it catches repeaters and all numbers that hit 3+ times. If you cross out a number and it then hits again, you add it back to your list as a repeater, so it's there to stay.

You can lose occasionally playing this, but I've not lost yet. Some sessions can be 70-80 spins and a lot of ups and downs but you rarely get down by 6 losses and into the danger zone. You might go 3 or 4 down then start to recover. What I find a lot is that you get a lovely run of 5 or 6 hits in a row at some point and that gets you over the line for the session.

If its dragging and you reach the point where more than 18 numbers are repeaters you can cross off the one that hasn't hit for the longest, or if you're in profit maybe just stop there and call it a day for that session.

It sounds so simple and yet it has been highly effective for me so far. I think 7 wins above profit must be the target because it was deemed to be a highly achievable goal. Perhaps more than this can lead to more fluctuations and risk of giving it all back? Who knows, but I like it. 126 units in a session while only risking 126 is very nice, and even if you do lose it all now and again you should win it straight back on the next session.

Thoughts on this guys?
 
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Re: Hits v Repeaters
« Reply #116 on: November 20, 2018, 01:04:32 AM »
Just to add to the above - its 18 numbers so one might say why not just bet red or black? If you look at most runs of results, you would win easily on one of these colours, but the other would likely lose or be a real grind. I think the difference with repeaters is you are capturing every hot number, every hot section the dealer is hitting a lot, and avoiding the coldest numbers. If you bet on an even chance you are just mixing these up and you're not taking advantage of the short term variance the wheel is producing (well, you might be but it wont be long before you have a session where its completely against you too!)
 

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Re: Hits v Repeaters
« Reply #117 on: November 20, 2018, 01:23:05 AM »
Ya, obviously choosing your numbers makes more sense.  Pretty amazing your bankroll is only 126 units!?
 

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Re: Hits v Repeaters
« Reply #118 on: November 20, 2018, 01:21:35 PM »
That's the beauty of flat betting! 7x18=126 so it's all you need and builds in your stop loss that way. The other reason this works is because if you get up 2 or 3 wins then hit a bad run of 6 or 7 losses, you're still in the game and then wins tend to come in clusters so you quickly get back up again and can usually push on to the win goal. I've not lost yet but reckon where it will lose will be early on, if you get down and don't recover. It seems like a rare event though. Most players could play this once a day at £1 units and win £108 or £126 and be happy. If you lose play twice more, 2 in 3 losses would be almost unheard of I reckon. Though I'm not a tester so don't know in the long run how likely that is.
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Re: Hits v Repeaters
« Reply #119 on: November 20, 2018, 03:28:04 PM »
I've tried with several similar ways, from 24 last numbers with the "Super Roulette" from Ion Saliu, 18, 12, 6 last numbers, all of them have their moments, they win some and lose some...Saliu's last 24 suggests conditional betting instead of betting every spin, for example to wait the other 13 numbers to hit twice and then bet the last 24 for 1 win within 3 bets max.
I've also tried these totals with spins instead of numbers, usually you pick less numbers on the equivalent total of spins, so my conclusion is that whether you'd have to reduce the total of hot numbers you are betting and use a positive progression or if you want to bet flat only, then track last 19 spins and bet the 18 wheel sector with most hits for up to 18 times or net profit, whatever happens first.

Segregate results per dealer and per spin direction, CW and CCW.
Check what performs better on the way and keep only the one with most profit.