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kav

Re: Selling roulette products and services
« Reply #15 on: March 30, 2018, 11:02:12 PM »
Deep down we are all a happy family.

« Last Edit: March 31, 2018, 12:37:03 AM by kav »
 

MrPerfect.

Re: Selling roulette products and services
« Reply #16 on: March 31, 2018, 12:09:19 AM »
DrTalos, AP is something that you can learn yourself. Nothing besides what already present on the wheel is used to obtain advantage,  it is there or not, right in front of your eyes. It deserves credibility, don't you think so? It's logical, based on mainstreem science, can be shown, modeled clearly explained and reproduced.
   Level of the skill of every AP in particular, can be argued , but AP in general is reality that is very difficult to ignore.

  Wich proves you need? There are videos, casino account screenshots with prove of exploration, books and forums about the subject... casino industry itself freaks out about it and considers it biggest problem they got.
   Now... what are systems? It's just somebody's idea . They can work, any of them , providing that bet selection itself offers advantage( positive expectation). Do you see where lm going? If system player says that his system works, he just has to prove that it produces advantage and infact creates positive expectation. For me personally even math prove would work. If math add up, chances are that reality will follow.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2018, 12:36:29 AM by kav »
 

DrTalos

Re: Selling roulette products and services
« Reply #17 on: March 31, 2018, 12:34:27 AM »
We should do a challenge, walk in a random casino, sit on a random table, and see who wins more in a fixed amount of time...
  I forgot, AP needs to collect data first, then analyze them and found if that particular one is beatable, and then...
  By that time, I would have been long gone.
  But, you know what, occurred to me an Arab quote: the peace fruit hangs from the tree of silence.
 

MickyP

Re: Selling roulette products and services
« Reply #18 on: March 31, 2018, 01:14:47 AM »
 :D

As long as you don't have a tough day like you described in an earlier post.

The challenge should be on consistent winning and not a once off who wins more.
AP do not win consistently but when they win it's big because they play single numbers
 

scepticus

Re: Selling roulette products and services
« Reply #19 on: March 31, 2018, 02:42:09 AM »
I think kav has lost the plot on two matters here.

He fails to answer my question .
“If talk of investors is not solicitation for money what is it  ?”
He sees no solicitation for money despite both Reyth and Micky offering to buy shares ! It is not a matter of scams .It is opportunistic sales pitches  in a forum !
I have said before that he should either have a separate section for sales or ban all offers for sale.
What  do others think  ?

He also maintains that “ this forum is a platform for civilized and intelligent communication “ yet allows personal insults provided they are not couched in “ industrial language “.
He allows Micky  P free rein to insult my integrity but threatens to ban me for my “ earthy “ reply.  He deletes my  post but not Micky's - and threatens to ban me  .
I am not the complaining kind but am inclined to retaliate when abused
 kav thinks he is being even- handed. I don’t.
I have said before  that if he wants civilised discussion then he needs to delete ALL personal insults - however mild because they invite retaliation .
Please no “ ignore insults “ Either ban all or allow all , I say..   
I am for banning all personal insults.What do others think ?

 

DrTalos

Re: Selling roulette products and services
« Reply #20 on: March 31, 2018, 03:15:46 AM »
If I talk about cooking I do not became a chef. MickyP and Reyth enthusiastically embraced the idea, but there is nothing to sell so about what are you talkng about?
  If offenses are to be considered, I have been called a liar, a scammer, and a troll in every thread I am in, and in some I don't even wrote a word in them. Sometimes the insult was direct, sometimes more subtle, but still. Do We have to ban everybody?
I tell you once again: there is nothing to sell. I had the idea inspired by a story I read few days ago, about a guy who decripted a weakness in the lottery and get advantage on it, then he offered to friends and neighbors the opportunity and some of them accepted while other did not. They made millions.
  My idea was not only tied to this forum. My first partner is my attorney, second a good friend of mine, and third a guy who gave me a big help when I moved to this country. But, as I understood, it won't work and I will not pursue the project.
  Honestly, all this anger one against the other is beyond my comprehension. Ap player against systems player... why? Aren't people allowed to walk their own road the way they like? Aren't people allowed to believe what they want? Aren't people allowed to speak freely? Why internet makes everybody so harsh judges over other people life? There is no rule for a claim to be proven. I can say I am a woman, do I have to send you my ID?
  Some people are just intolerant. They hate when someone does not follow their parh. Why? Am I free to get lost or I have to follow your directions?
  Are you really sure you got all the answers? Roulette is an old game, has weaknesses, I claim I found a way to exploit them. Does this affect your life?
  I don't believe in God, but I don't get mad if someone prays, if someone has faith. I don't spend my life try to convince others that scientifically God is an absurdity.and I am sure that all the scientists here act the same. And the soul and believes, God, are way more important than the existence of Bertrand.
  So please, quit the crusade. I will never explain Bertrand, I will never show it, and I will keep claiming that I am doing quite some money with it. I will keep my effort to make people see roulette in a more open way, so they can have a new weapon against it. That is how it is, how it will be.
 
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cht

Re: Selling roulette products and services
« Reply #21 on: March 31, 2018, 03:43:16 AM »
I think kav has lost the plot on two matters here.

He fails to answer my question .
“If talk of investors is not solicitation for money what is it  ?”
He sees no solicitation for money despite both Reyth and Micky offering to buy shares ! It is not a matter of scams .It is opportunistic sales pitches  in a forum !
I have said before that he should either have a separate section for sales or ban all offers for sale.
What  do others think  ?

I agree.

He also maintains that “ this forum is a platform for civilized and intelligent communication “ yet allows personal insults provided they are not couched in “ industrial language “.
He allows Micky  P free rein to insult my integrity but threatens to ban me for my “ earthy “ reply.  He deletes my  post but not Micky's - and threatens to ban me  .
I am not the complaining kind but am inclined to retaliate when abused
 kav thinks he is being even- handed. I don’t.
I have said before  that if he wants civilised discussion then he needs to delete ALL personal insults - however mild because they invite retaliation .
Please no “ ignore insults “ Either ban all or allow all , I say..   
I am for banning all personal insults.What do others think ?
In the short time I join this forum mostly I read is about insults and counter insults hurled at each other. It's impossible not to notice some members have personal issues.

Types of insults read -

1. AP god(you know who he is) insults systems thread.
2. AP god insults the entire forum.
3. Some members insults another as loser.

The worse is this AP god is still admired,  respected, worshipped by the guys who got insulted. Now, tell me how low is that ?

As to no. 3 insults, some members have a "I am better than you" compare and compete challenge mentality - the daily dosage of tit for tat.How sick and juvenile is that ?

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The 1st thread that caught my curiousity is Reyth thread about another DrTalos thread - thread dedicated to try figure out his system. DrTalos specifically stated umpteen times he will not share his system on this forum. Yet members talk about this fictitious system as if it exist. How cuckoo is that ? How stupid is this act of some members in this process of trying to figure out this fictitious system while the owner present give this and that pointers while holding firmly this stance that he will not share his system - no way he leak out his system ? And this has gone on for years. Besides the countless repeated claims of "I have the holy grail."

Kav, no offence. You indeed have lost the plot. Your excuse given is pathetic. Censoring comments will not make it go away.

Reyth, as a moderator,  I shake my head facepalm to read some of your comments. No offence.

It has become that bad of hilarious dramas that this notion you are the puppet master with motive is plausible.

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There are plenty of bootlicking dick sucking post. Do it behind close doors, as in PMs. This activity does not add credence to your argument.

No offence to anyone, written IMHO.

Note - I did not start this thread.
« Last Edit: March 31, 2018, 04:20:58 AM by cht »
 

MickyP

Re: Selling roulette products and services
« Reply #22 on: March 31, 2018, 06:15:28 AM »
Scepticus, you are wrong. I did not offer to buy shares. On the contrary I specifically wrote that I do not purchase or invest in casino game products or ideas.

On the matter of insults; you have publicly insulted me on numerous occasions. Ken has done the same and a few others too. I requested assistance from a moderator I think on two occasions but in general the personal attacks do not bother me too much because I understand why people feel the need to regress to insults.
By the way, a few of my retaliatory posts were also deleted. I think Kav and other moderators are doing a good job.
Discussions do get heated up on occasions and it's natural for people to cross the line from time to time. I'm guilty of this natural fight or flight reaction.

I don't think I'm better than anyone else and no matter where I stand in the pecking order, I have to remind myself that when I play for money I play as an individual and I do not have to share my winnings with the so called masters on the forum.
The forum is public space. We should always remember this.
DrTalos stopped posting on how he creates his systems because a few naysayers derailed the thread. We are all poorer for the loss of the thread.

If anyone has a problem with me and feels the need to insult me  then please address it with me via pm.
 
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Mike

Re: Selling roulette products and services
« Reply #23 on: March 31, 2018, 08:03:37 AM »
Personally I don't have a problem with anyone selling products and services on the forum, but in the case of systems, the seller should provide statistical evidence that the system performs as claimed. Given this requirement, I don't think there will be any issues.  ;)

But I do think there should be a dedicated section for it.
 
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kav

Re: Selling roulette products and services
« Reply #24 on: March 31, 2018, 09:17:25 AM »
scepticus,
We tirelessly delete posts with offending remarks, some of them by you.
If we miss some, please use the "report to moderator" link down-right on the offending post and we'll look into it.

Most of all, we try to develop a culture where we do not delete posts, because members are mature enough to not use offensive language.

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He fails to answer my question .
“If talk of investors is not solicitation for money what is it  ?”
It is talk.
Asking for money is "Send me $100"
 

Badger

Re: Selling roulette products and services
« Reply #25 on: March 31, 2018, 09:51:50 AM »
Can we not have a section where the OP can invite certain people to view his thread.
For instance, any posts that DR Talos starts from now, he can invite discussion from members that want to communicate with him. Anybody that is "offended" can have their password revoked for that thread.

You would think that certain people who are offended by DR Talos would not read his posts. So this idea  would be to protect them from being offended.
 The other type of person is the one who wants to be the custodian or guardian of us all. In other words, he thinks we are all idiots and wants to protect us from ourselves. This private "thread" would also save us from them.
And then of course the person who feels that he is entitled to have what everybody else has worked for. This would also prevent them from being "offended".
The "offended" people always seem to spoil it for those who are interested in ideas.

 
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scepticus

Re: Selling roulette products and services
« Reply #26 on: March 31, 2018, 09:58:34 AM »
I think kav it is a matter of intepretation. My point is that if it is your wish - and mine - that we want civilised discussion then I think you need to delete all PERSONAL remarks. How often has Micky P made snide remarks about me -,irelevant to the thread ? You allowed them  . I  made no complaint because I treat him and his cod-psychology with disdain . But I do want the right of reply. He clearly calls my integrity into question -and you allow it ? That is bias in my opinion.
Seeking  Investors IS asking for money .As DrTalos made clear . He is no fool .
 

MickyP

Re: Selling roulette products and services
« Reply #27 on: March 31, 2018, 10:12:51 AM »
Scepticus , let it go. In your post above you belittle me and I too am tired of your comments about me.
Your behavior has betrayed the person you present yourself to be.
I will flatly ignore you from now on if it makes you feel more secure. BUT do not comment on me in any way otherwise I will respond at the risk of getting banned.

I draw the line here.
 
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cht

Re: Selling roulette products and services
« Reply #28 on: March 31, 2018, 10:23:28 AM »
We don't want sales of products and services.

We do not want unproven claims.

No insults and offensive remarks. -------- kav

That's plain simple english that everybody understands, the intent is clear.

The 1st refers to money.

The 2nd refers to winning claims.

Directly,  impliedly, or on the sly or plead ignorance of the rules.

Either the member violated this rule or not.

Either the rules are enforced or not.

Why place kav and reyth in a difficult spot with moderation work ?

As adults who understands English, be responsible with our posts, keep them in line with the rules.

Don't act as juveniles that require kav and reyth clean up the mess.

We are all guest on kav forum. Respect his rules.

You have personal issues with someone,  PLEASE refrain posting on the forum. Be gentleman, settle it in PM or somewhere else. TQ.
 
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thelaw

Re: Selling roulette products and services
« Reply #29 on: March 31, 2018, 02:29:39 PM »
@CHT

Correct: All of those rules apply.........unless Kav thinks that someone might have even a hint of a winning method.

Roulette forums can't allow members to post hints, and retain their integrity, which has been proven now time and time again.

Imagine if this was a nutrition forum, and a member posted before-and-after weight-loss pics, but when asked what they ate, responded with.........it's a secret.