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GIAJJENNO

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #15 on: March 03, 2018, 03:04:58 PM »
DrTalos,

I think, we here dont called you a lier, or scammer. I think, that you really find out something extremely rarely winning system.

BUT.

In your main system topic others discussed your sentensec, and your playing way over 50 laps, if you remember. I read it all. I remember, Reyth, and others worked very hard to search something similar between your sentences, and find out the exactly what you are doing, what you are playing.

I have one question: Has somebody in this topic who stayed on the nearest to your system? Of yes, who, and when?
 

DrTalos

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #16 on: March 03, 2018, 03:20:24 PM »
I did, Kav, in this sentence: 'I know that theoretically can bust, I know there is a 0.0001 % of chance for that, but it won't happen'.

 

DrTalos

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #17 on: March 03, 2018, 03:28:18 PM »
There is no theoretically limit to see the same number come out 12 times in a round. It just do not happen. Reyth expressed the concept in a more correct way.
  Sometimes I had to wait 340 played numbers to see the first hit. But, in the long run, the wheel turned in a more average standard. As I said, the trick is the ability to endure all the variance that occurs.
  This variance will always be in a mathematical range. I remember a thread about EC, and the challenge to survive the maximum variance registered (or possible). Was something like 30/70 (I didn't paid to much attention to that, my bad).
  It is exactly that. You must win in the real game, not on a notepad with tailored sequence of numbers that show your system will fail. There is a hidden truth in reality that we do not know. I rely on that.

 
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MickyP

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #18 on: March 03, 2018, 03:30:49 PM »
And so the fishing continues; however subtle.
To answer Kav; Yes, a number can land that you have not bet on; again and again. What you don't seem to understand is that the game is managed and it is managed well. Unbet numbers only constitute a loss if you stop playing or are unable to continue due to depleted bankroll. A setback is not a loss. I repeat; a setback is not a loss.
Maybe you and others don't see the value of what DrTalos shares but I do.
Maybe a new thread should be started on game management.
 

kav

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #19 on: March 03, 2018, 03:39:44 PM »
Reyth,
I understand where you are coming from, but...
The practical limits of statistics are impractical in real play, if we are talking about 100% certainty. The wheel can produce extreme results, for longer periods that any player can remain solvent. I'm not saying this is the norm. I'm saying that it would require a tremendous (impractical) amount of spins and/or bankroll to reach the statistical limits and be 100% sure you will win.

My point is NOT that we can't use statistics to help us make decisions.
My point is that 100% safe and profitable HGs do not exist. Anyone who claims to have one is suspicious to say the least. The best one can hope to ever find is a system that offers an advantage. Not security. Even an advantageous system is not 100% guaranteed winner. Out of the 100 people who tried it some will lose and (hopefully) many more will win.

The whole concept of a HG, meaning a roulette system as an autopilot to easy riches, without risk, is naive. It is ok for someone to be naive, we all are in some respects. But it is NOT ok, for someone to try to take advantage of people's naivety. And this is what Talos tries to do IMO.

Micky,
I'm not a naysayer. Yes, a setback is not a loss. Yes, game management is extremely important. Yes, statistics can be used to make decisions. Still, believing in HG is naive.

Anyway, I don't try to enforce my opinion on others. Everyone is free to believe what he likes and think in his own way. I just wanted to make my position clear. Roger, Out.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2018, 03:55:06 PM by kav »
 
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Reyth

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #20 on: March 03, 2018, 03:53:39 PM »
I don't see how its possible to resolve this issue.  Its not much different from the "systems must lose" argument.  Since everyone agrees that no spin or series of spins will ever have a 100% chance of success, isn't it kind of pointless?  I mean its like a straw man argument because its obvious that Dr. Talos isn't trying to say that, right?

Dr. Talos is simply saying that he has discovered a winning system according to your definition and its possible for us to do the same thing.  I agree with that.  I don't demand he tell us exactly how.  I have no reason to be mad at him because he places limits on exactly what he will disclose to help us.  I just like that he is offering to help us in his own way.

Far more do I want to hear his voice in my head than the HE-systems-must-lose crowd, because they're simply wrong and he isn't.  Furthermore, I think that's always been the spirit of this forum as long as I have been here.

Its possible to get to a place to where we remain profitable, despite losing more than we win.  Dr. Talos agrees with this and says so and explains why.  He says we can all do it.  We need people like him in our forum, imo.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2018, 04:03:30 PM by Reyth »
 
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Mike

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #21 on: March 03, 2018, 05:02:48 PM »
Far more do I want to hear his voice in my head than the HE-systems-must-lose crowd, because they're simply wrong and he isn't. 

Reyth,

What you mean is that you HOPE that the "systems must lose" crowd are wrong and that DrTalos is right. You can't KNOW it because you haven't found a system which hasn't lost, and you don't know anything about DrTalos' system. We don't even know how many bets he's placed. He probably doesn't even know himself.

I don't think he's a liar, necessarily. It's possible that he could be telling the truth, but the explanation is that he's simply been lucky so far. He uses a progression and if not betting on too many numbers it's entirely possible to stay ahead for 100,000+ bets. Even the Wizard of Odds admits that gamblers can win for long periods because of luck and progressions. Given the choice that he has (a) been lucky or (b) he has discovered the equivalent of a perpetual motion machine, which is more likely? Of course it has to be the former, but gamblers in search of the HG prefer to believe the latter.
 

MickyP

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #22 on: March 03, 2018, 05:29:17 PM »
An autopilot system to riches is naive; I agree. Can a HG system lose? Yes, but a loss should be rare and cumulative wins should absorb the rare loss as Reyth stated.
Can we all agree to allow DrTalos the freedom and space to share his thoughts and ideas with us. He is not discussing a specific method in this thread but giving pointers on how he approaches the creation of a method.
 
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DrTalos

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #23 on: March 03, 2018, 05:38:40 PM »
Luck is always a good reason to justify other people's success...
 
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MrPerfect.

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #24 on: March 03, 2018, 05:42:12 PM »
 I can absolutely in open say how l create my systems.
 I just collect data and see what combinations of factors do provide positive expectation bets.
I see how stable is that positive expectation through the sample and limit factors that affect positivity .
   Then I design progressive betting that will make maximum money and minimise negative flucitations of bank. Everything that helps goes, triggers, stats analysis,  progressions, factor analysis.  Whatever works- works, l do not qwestion it as long as it provides positive expectation. 
  And finally,  l test it for one-two more sessions to see how it performs. Then if hypotesys hold true, l start betting and rase bets as l win.
    Can Talos wright step by step algorithm to his system? I just did it for mine.
 
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MickyP

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #25 on: March 03, 2018, 05:51:27 PM »
MrPerfect I repeat myself for your benefit. This thread is not dedicated to a specific system. It is based on the thought process in creating a system.
Read the whole thread to get up to speed.
 

MrPerfect.

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #26 on: March 03, 2018, 06:45:57 PM »
Mickey,  at this point it will be rude to not advice you mind your own benefit. Literally! !!
   I just posted algorithm for creation of winning systems in general. Do you realise? If not, l will be worried for your future as a player.
    Tread is about designing systems, right? Anyone who follow algorithm l posted  ( with some reading around, like few books and few posts here.) will be able to designe winning systems on demand . I would advice you to copy my previous post and reread it till you understand. 
 

Scarface

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #27 on: March 03, 2018, 07:14:14 PM »
DrTalos, I have no reason to doubt your claim that your system has worked well for you over the past few years.  That's awesome!  But I agree with Kav that any that a 100% successful "Holy Grail" system does not exist.  Having said that, that doesn't mean that I believe it can't be very profitable.

You said in another thread that you use a progression.  I think you called it a "playable Martingale."  Nothing wrong with that.  I do the same thing.  But, as another poster said, a progression system can be successful even over 100,000 spins before it ever loses.  And maybe if there are a lot of wins already, the eventual bust would not hurt profits at all.

Maybe another player could use the exact same system and have very bad variance, and bust the first 3 sessions they play. 

Just wanted you to understand there are a lot of progression players that win all the time.  There are probably lots of systems posted here that would qualify.  If you did post your system, most wouldn't even have the discipline to play it like you suggest...most would change it to their liking.  Others probably wouldn't even play it.  And the casinos would not care one bit.  It's your choice.  I wish you continued success!

 

Reyth

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #28 on: March 03, 2018, 07:30:02 PM »
I have studied Dr. Talos' posts extensively and specific statistical information within those posts.  Based on the information that I have studied and the fact that he has been earning a living over a period of years from his system, indicates to me that this is not just uncommon but very extremely rare; he has doubled his table bank some 75 times!!!!

I know people that have done this (earning a living) but I could lose a few games of chop poker and still be able to count them on the remaining ones.  Even Mr J.'s system is still measured in months but certainly not years.

I think its important that he shares his tips and views because he knows that what he has discovered is quite rare indeed.

Almost every system I have tried as stated, fails and in short order (I play thousands of spins a day when I focus).  Its a phenomenon that when people start winning, they don't give out their secrets -- if we want to win too, we have to do the very extremely hard work ourselves -- its good that someone is willing to share tips and pointers and to encourage us.
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DrTalos

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #29 on: March 03, 2018, 07:58:48 PM »
Are you see that you are trying to convince me that my system does not work despite the fact I know it, I played it for probably 600 days across 5 years, earning hundreds of thousands, without considering the testing before...?
  Honestly, I don't care if you believe me or not. I have no gain if you do and I lose nothing if you don't.
  I will not share it. I will keep talking to people who wish to add a different idea in their mind. The way I see it, it is kind of a gift, because I have nothing to get while others can learn something.

I am sure someone thinks that envy and admirations are the fruits I wanna harvest. I just reminds you all that nobody knows me and I do not know any of you. 2 days ago even my nationality was a mystery.

Come on guys, stay on the topic.
 
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