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Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #120 on: March 06, 2018, 10:35:48 PM »
Jerome,

Here's a better idea.  Rather than remaining stuck in the cult box and recycling old tried and failed ideas,  free your mind.  Study ways to beat the wheel.  Research how people in the past have successfully beaten it.

Some great places to start are research people that design the wheels, and have worked on them.  Research what consultants have to say.  Read informative books like "Beating the Wheel" by Barnhart.

« Last Edit: March 06, 2018, 10:39:22 PM by Real »
 

scepticus

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #121 on: March 06, 2018, 11:05:51 PM »
It might have been better had Dr. Talos stated at the outset that he wanted to discuss Ideas instead of talking about a system . His "Sleeping Dozen " idea doesn't inspire confidence in his Ideas
Besides that, all Systems are based on an " Idea "  aren't they ?
 
 

GIAJJENNO

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #122 on: March 06, 2018, 11:16:02 PM »
Real,

Here is the main talos dumo HG discusson. Maybe you find something abouth math and etc about his system., what you wanted.

https://www.roulettelife.com/index.php?topic=1252.msg23548#msg23548
 

cht

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #123 on: March 07, 2018, 01:15:21 AM »
DrTalos, the only issue is with your harping of HG.

If you are discussing ideas per se I can assure you there'll be zero insults.

Why is everybody referring to system when there is none ?

 

Scarface

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #124 on: March 07, 2018, 01:23:42 AM »
Talos strategy is pretty simple to understand.  I don't know his exact system, or what numbers he's chooses.  But like he said, it's all about the progression.  He relies on what he calls a "playable martingale".

So there's no doubt that progression is why he is successful.  I do not believe it's a HG, but it could be a good strategy to discuss, but his secrecy and paranoia turns the discussion south.  Maybe he'll change his mind.

Anyways, Talos has said he doesn't rely on a single win to get him back in the positive.  Sometime, according to him, it may take up to 5 wins in a short period to succeed.

We all know that numbers do not hit as expected.  A single is not gonna hit once every 36 spins, and a street will not hit once every 12 spins.  Talos relies on short clusters of wins to recover loses.  After x amount of losses, he raises his bet slightly to catch the cluster of wins together.

Say you are betting a single street.  If you hit within 12 spins, great you win.  If no hit in 12 spins, raise bet for 12 more times.  If no hit again, raise bet for 12 more spins, etc, etc.  At some point, you will have a 12 spin cycle at a higher wager that may hit 2 or 3 times of more in one cycle.  This is just a crude quick example.  Talos may use different amount of numbers bet, and his own custom progression but this is basic summary of what he is doing (based on his clues)

Talos, Real is right when he says progressions do not make a HG.  BUT, that does not mean it's not a good system.  That also does not mean you cannot make alot of money on it.  Maybe it will never fail for you.  Some progression systems can go over 100,000 spins without fail.  If you decide to post the details, I'm sure some will run the numbers through excel program and prove it will fail at some point.  But, who cares!  Some of us like systems, and would be interested in doing our own testing and tweaks like we do with all others on here.  Just because it may not be a HG, doesn't make it a failure.  Many will be interested, and casinos won't care  ;)
« Last Edit: March 07, 2018, 01:33:31 AM by Scarface »
 
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cht

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #125 on: March 07, 2018, 01:41:54 AM »
What is the definition of 'playable martingale' ?

Or what is the characteristics of 'playable martingale' ?

Using progression to try circumvent variance must fail.
 
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Scarface

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #126 on: March 07, 2018, 11:19:19 AM »
I think he's using a Martingale progression after every x number of spins instead of after every single losing spin.  Maybe after a win to avoid long strings of losses
« Last Edit: March 07, 2018, 02:00:55 PM by kav »
 

Ripple

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #127 on: June 12, 2018, 07:43:16 AM »
Scarface, you are an intelligent man. Hands down.
 

dobbelsteen

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #128 on: June 12, 2018, 09:30:18 AM »

@CHT. There are infinite roulette systems. When you play roulette with fixed rules, you play a system. There is no winning system or HG. Every system has a DTOP. That means that the result will be a permanent loss and resulting in a loss of 2.7% for a one zero wheel.
A combination of a system with statistic triggers is a strategy. A strategy can be a HG.
A playable Martingale start after a virtual loss  SSB uses a trigger up to 10 double ups .It is the most simple game to play continuous. The 10 step Martingale is based on the table limit. SSB is very simple to program in Excel. With the La Partage rule of the single zero wheel , the zero works in advantage of the player.
 

leowls

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #129 on: June 12, 2018, 05:22:07 PM »
I think he's using a Martingale progression after every x number of spins instead of after every single losing spin.  Maybe after a win to avoid long strings of losses

It still doesnt quite make sense as I have often experienced a losing steak, win one hand, and then go on to suffer another losing streak. This would kill his BK easily.
 

DrTalos

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #130 on: June 13, 2018, 07:55:07 PM »
I see my definition is not appropriate. When I say playable martingale I mean a progression that never get out of hands. I don't rely on it, I rely on math (believe it or not). I think that I should get a hit every 38 number played (double 00). The more numbers I play the closer to the average it will be. My strategy/system/bertrand will win when I get an hit ratio of 1/60. It works because I find a way to endure hundreds of spins with thousands of number played without breaking the bank. It is simple as that.
  I see the wheel having a weakness (like everything in nature) and tried to exploit it. I had a new way to see the game (what I called a "revolutionary idea") and I worked on that till I find a way to get a consistent and reliable profit.
  I worked hard and not without pain and losses. This means it will not be available for everybody (I am not sharing it, for free or for money).
  What Real, mrJ, MickyP, Kav, Reyth think about it is none of my business. They are free of their opinion. Their certainties are ot mine, I am not in need to subdue to them.
  HG do not exit? Very good, appreciate your sharing.
  Next.

 
 

MrPerfect.

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #131 on: June 13, 2018, 10:20:07 PM »
Talos,  enough of your tolking,  it's offencive even to average Joe level of intelligence.  With ratios you clame to overcome no progression will survive. Neither anyone with the brain will ever consider to play such a thing. There is no bank to withstand in 1:60 ratio.
 
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DrTalos

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #132 on: June 13, 2018, 11:01:55 PM »
Next.
 

MrPerfect.

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #133 on: June 13, 2018, 11:49:54 PM »
What's "next"? Show me progression that overcome 1:60 ratio!!! I create progressions on daily basis.  Your words just do not cut it , Talos. 1:60 is almost worst case possible. No player will ever consider play this s***t. It's like 60 numbers wheel for 1:35 pay out. Or wheel with 24 additional zeroes!!!! 
    In this stage l used to call names....

   
 

DrTalos

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #134 on: June 14, 2018, 01:06:35 AM »
Ok, I try to keep it simple for you. Let say we play a dozen (12 numbers) with 1 unit.
We miss.
We play once more a dozen, with 1 unit.
We miss.
We play on our third spin a dozen, with two units.
We miss. Our bankroll is -4 now.
We play a dozen with 3 units.
We miss. -7.
We play a dozen with 4 units. We hit. We win 1 unit. We plaid 60 numbers totally and we get just a single hit, but we won. That's amazing...

What I achieved is a way to endure a lot of spins (can happen that I take my first hit after playing more than 200 numbers (or, as you say it, a wheel with 36 numbers and 164 zeros...) to chase that average, that as you say is at the limit of statistics.

Thank you for sharing your OPINION.
Next.

 
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