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Scarface

The Talos debate
« on: March 02, 2018, 01:35:47 AM »
Talos, do you use past spins for your selections?  Progressions?  Parlay?  Why don't you share what method you play?  Any method can be changed tok fit the player if it's based on the same rules/concepts
 

MickyP

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #1 on: March 02, 2018, 02:04:15 AM »
I respect DrTalos decision not to openly and directly share his exact method of play. We should appreciate the wisdom of his learnings and apply ourselves to creating our own winning method that fits our own style of play.
To me, what DrTalos shares is like walking along and picking up a silver dollar. It may not make you rich but....
 
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Scarface

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #2 on: March 02, 2018, 09:39:52 PM »
I respect DrTalos decision not to openly and directly share his exact method of play. We should appreciate the wisdom of his learnings and apply ourselves to creating our own winning method that fits our own style of play.

I would respect DrTalos more if he would openly share his strategy.  Maybe he is afraid of the naysayers that would criticize his strategy.  But if he can ignore that, I think many can get some good positive information from it....and maybe even build something great out of it.  If it really has worked for him since 2012, as he says, he shouldn't care what anybody says if it works for him.

We all know that roulette is a negative expectation game.  If DrTalos has something that works well for him, why not share it?  Isn't that what this forum is all about?  Anyone can make bold claims without sharing anything.  Not sure why people do this, other than the need to feel important on an anonymous web forum.
 

DrTalos

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #3 on: March 02, 2018, 11:50:08 PM »
So, it took me 25 years to find my system, wasting tons of money in the process, time, crazy and sad times... And now I should give it to everybody, just rewarding your frequentation of a forum. Yeah, make sense...

And, on a side note, once the system go out of my hands will became public in a matter of hours, with consequences in the way casinos handle the game. Imagine if a thousand people start flooding casinos with a winning system.

But I am sure that were you the owner of a system that grants you a stable and substancial income, you will give it to anybody.
 
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kav

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #4 on: March 03, 2018, 01:14:09 AM »
DrTalos,
None would care, believe me.
People just want to feed their curiosity. And then move on to the next system.
"Thousand people start flooding casinos with a winning system", is just not gonna happen.
And if you don't want to share, then why are you here?

Oh and something else. There is no law of physics or mathematics that can prevent the wheel from showing you a losing number. Again and again. There is nothing to prevent the ball from landing on a number you haven't bet. So, please stop making outrageous claims.

We love roulette systems, but we hate unproven claims. So stop claiming that you win and just share whatever you want to share.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2018, 01:20:02 AM by kav »
 
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DrTalos

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #5 on: March 03, 2018, 01:57:31 AM »
You are right Kav, there is no need for me to post here, or anywhere for that matter. It is sad that you keep say a winning system will never exits because it will destroy your limited mind accepting the opposite.
  I do not mean to offend anybody. I just say that everything is impossible till someone show that is not. History is full of example of this.

Enjoy the rest of your journey.
 
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kav

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #6 on: March 03, 2018, 02:21:25 AM »
I'm saying that:
There is no law of physics or mathematics that can prevent the wheel from showing you a losing number. Again and again. There is nothing to prevent the ball from landing on a number you haven't bet.
Unless you have psychic powers and you can control the ball telepathically.

Just as there can be NO proof that a system player will lose.
Just as well no system is invulnerable. (see:Tell me your system and I'll make it lose)
This doesn't mean there are no good or bad systems. There are. And that's what we are looking for: a pretty good system. A system that will produce profits more often than losses and for most players.

A winning system is something much more subtle than a mindless autopilot to easy riches, without risk and with 100% guarantee. This is too good to be true. Still one can be profitable. This is my definition of a winning system.
« Last Edit: March 03, 2018, 02:28:17 AM by kav »
 
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Scarface

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #7 on: March 03, 2018, 02:31:06 AM »
DrTalos, if you're worried about the casinos shutting down because of something posted on a forum, don't be.  Seriously, even if there was a winning system, 99.99% of gamblers are recreational players and the casino will make plenty of money even if there are players that win all the time.

Thorp has mathematically proven that the player can beat the casino at blackjack.  In blackjack, as the cards are discarded the odds change...If the remaining cards are in the players favor, then bet higher.  But still, blackjack still exists, even though many books have been written to show how to mathematically beat the game.

But roulette is different than blackjack or poker.  A number is never discarded.  The odds never change.  There will always be a negative edge against the player.  In fact, casinos LOVE system players.  They give you all the stats on the screen.  Some will even give you cards to track numbers hit.  Trust me, we are no threat to them.

There seems to be a lot of of disagreement between AP players and system players sometimes on this forum.  I have respect for both sides as long as they back up what they believe with how the play.  Whatever works, who cares what everyone thinks.

The one thing that is sucks here, is those who claim to have a winning strategy, but shares nothing.  What's the point?  All the cryptic clues and riddles are annoying. Like you, I have played this game for 20+ years.  I love it!  If I had a strategy that is working well for me, I would have no hesitation in sharing with this forum.  That's why I'm here, to share ideas.

Honestly though. I've become very skeptical of bold claims with no evidence.  Not sure what the motive is.  Maybe to gain respect on an anonymous forum.  Or maybe to sell a system to some who don't know better.  I don't know.  But I encourage you to to share with others, the same as everyone else.  Ignore the negativity...If it's worked for you, who cares what others thinks. 
 
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GIAJJENNO

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #8 on: March 03, 2018, 03:05:46 AM »
Wow very nice writings, I appreciate it. Really i dont understand too, what drTalos really do, and think. What the hell, he afrad of the casino members, or the italian maffia, or just simply selfish, or he has nothing. No fear drTalos, listen to scarface, read his writing, and rethink the life, and rethink again why dont you share the system whit us, I thinked about it a lot, we calculated very much about it. Maybe we dont deserve it, but we worked for it with our heart.

Btw scarface, can you send me the book, which beats the blackjack? :D  i dont heard it that exist such book, or something way to beat the blackjack. Why not everybody play this way?
 
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kav

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #9 on: March 03, 2018, 03:17:49 AM »
Here is a link to the book of Thorp:
scribd.com/doc/92066804/Beat-the-Dealer-Edward-O-Thorp
Most BJ tables these days use automatic/continuous shuffling machines to negate the advantage Thorp identified.
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Scarface

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #10 on: March 03, 2018, 04:08:04 AM »
Giajjenno, there is a lot written about card counting in blackjack.  I can't give a recommendation, because it's not my game.  A Google sear h will give you lots of info.  It seems pretty simple.  Bet low to begin with...If there are more high cards remaining in the deck, then the player has the advantage ( that's when you bet higher).  If more low cards, then disadvantage to the player ( keep bets at minimum).

Of course, the dealer can shuffle the deck at anytime to screw your count up, although they don't always do this.

There's a movie based on this called 21, starring Kevin Spacey.  Good movie, based on a true story
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MickyP

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #11 on: March 03, 2018, 07:30:17 AM »
I said this in another thread on the forum...
Posting on the forum is like feeding fish in a pond. Throw breadcrumbs into a pond rich with fish and witness a feeding frenzy; but only if what is offered is immediately seen as food. Throw a handful of twigs into the pond and you will only have a few fish come around to investigate. This is the nature of posting on the forum. Players want a ready made method to go out and rake in the millions but are not prepared to put the effort into understanding the why, how and when of a method on offer.
Are we really only on the forum to satisfy our curiosity? If players are so desperate to get their hands on a winning system, why not try and master Palestis Single Dozen method, or Ken's Hot Repeater method? Even better, why not invest the money in purchasing Kav's  Kavouras method or invest in learning the art of AP?
There are methods of play posted on the forum that with understanding and practise will generate the wins that are promised. Simply learn to play in a responsible manner.
DrTalos has revealed a wealth of knowledge that if applied to the method or style of play it will greatly improve the limited understanding displayed by so many members.
I DO NOT consider the contributions of DrTalos as worthless mumbo jumbo. On the contrary, his postings have helped me to better plan my games and have contributed greatly in the way I look at system  design.

I have tried this exercise three times on this forum: post a basic idea for a method of play and request members to assist in creating a method or simply to ask questions. Very little interest is shown and suggestions that stray from the topic are the order of the day.

A big injustice has been committed by shutting down this thread. BUT SO WE LEARN!
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DrTalos

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #12 on: March 03, 2018, 02:24:52 PM »
You see, evidences are in front of you. Once casinos learnt that a game can be beaten, they changed rules. Now, at blackjack, is illegal counting cards, and they have automatic shuffling device for avoid the whole situation.
  I get a living with my system. Makes no sense I put that at risk for people I do not know just to accomplish their curiosity.

My system is not complicated, does not need huge math skill. It is quite boring, most of the time, and it is easy for everybody to play it. Has a set of rules written on stone, so no decisions whatsoever during the game. A robot could play it without trouble. There is not a stop-loss, there is not a bad streak, there is not lucky or unlucky spin. It just works. I know that theoretically can bust, I know there is a 0.0001 % of chance for that, but it won't happen, and if it does, I will lose 500 units at the worst, that's is what I won last week. So I will be in profit of just 50.000 units so far.
  Every time I go to a casino I walk out with 200u profit, for a 8/10 hours of play. This has been my reality in the last 5 years. Your opinions and your knowledge conflict with my real experience, so you think I care about yours (and others) statements?
  I am sure that, if I share the system, at least 5/6 people in this forum will start playing it, and half of them will share it and in a short matter of time will be public. Jeez, people play systems that makes no sense and lose every other day, go figure what will happen with a system that actually works.
  You can't call me a liar, not even in a very subtle way. You can say that you do not know that a HG can be possible. That's all. For your knowledge, can't be done. I am sure is not an easy accomplishment what I achieved, that why it is so precious.
  I am sure I am not the only one though. If you are not able to recognize who has a false claim from the one with a real thing in his hand, you lack of judgment.

My system is simple. I work on statistic, in a way. You should hit a number every 38 numbers played, on average (double 00 wheel). Sure, if you play 40 numbers, will happen quite often that you miss, but what if you play 400 numbers, in a various number of spins? and if you play 4000 numbers, in over 200 spins? on average, you should hit 105. Well, I find a way to win in the situation that, with 4000 numbers played, I need 66 hits.
  The secret is keeping numbers down, when you do not win in the firsts spins.
  One of my worst game lasted more than 100 spins, with 1400 numbers played (I go with memory, but I still have the session somewhere if you need exact numbers), and I was down of around 200 units. I didn't reach level 4 recovery (never reached in 5 years). The vast majority of games (like 90%) end at the first hit or at the first level of recover. Once a day reaches level 2, and very rarely level 3.
  So, I found a way to endure all those spins, that's the secret. I wait till the game turns a little in my favor. Sooner or later, unless the game is biased, it will happen.

This forum, as I see it, is a place where we share our love, considerations and ideas about roulette. Sharing systems is a part of it, not the only thing. There are sections where you are allowed to talk about "not roulette related stuff", so it is highly inappropriate that you say that I can say something and not say something else. If this is a free forum I can say whatever I want, if I do not offend anyone. I can claim I have an HG, there is no rule against that (and if there is, it is a quite stupid one). I never tried to sell it (why I should?) so I am not a scammer, and yes, that would have been a nice reason to kick me out.
  I enjoy having a good conversation here. I enjoyed receiving a nice message this morning from a member, and there are a bunch of people here that brings warm to my heart, so I kept coming. But if I piss you off, Kav, I say sorry and I walk out. After all, I know I am a guest here.

For who still do not understand why I am here, posting my ideas, I repeat again: I did read many post and posters that claim an HG cannot exist. Kav is the last one on this list. Because I have an HG I think was good let people know that that goal can be achieved, especially if you do not listen people telling you you cannot get that. I am tired of people that say YOU can't do what THEY can't do! Sure is not easy. If it was, casinos were already closed. But can be done. My hints, sharing my approach, can help you. Worst scenario, they are useless. You do not waste more than the time you used to read it.

And last, I say to you what I said to Real some time ago. If you think my system cannot exist, I dare you to a challenge. We go to a casino, with 10.000 dollars. We will give the money to a lawyer. You set the parameters (how much do I have to win to make you believe my system works). If my system fails, you walk home with 20.000 dollars (yours and mine), if I reach targets you fixed, I will walk home with your money. You will not see my system, you will not learn it. You will check me playing to be sure I am not cheating (like putting money in the machine to fake winnings), and that's it.
  Sorry for the angry tone, as I said I am an emotional guy (my Italian blood, I guess), and no one can say something bad about my honor, my moral, and my ethic. No one can never call me a liar.

   
« Last Edit: March 03, 2018, 02:31:20 PM by DrTalos »
 
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Reyth

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #13 on: March 03, 2018, 02:35:14 PM »
Btw, I just want to state for the record that I am a firm believer in PRACTICAL limits in statistics; the more statistically rare (improbable) an event is, the more speaking of its appearance is merely a theoretical exercise.  I believe that Signore Dr. Talos has found a system that realizes this and it is open for all of us to find if we do the legwork that is necessary.
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kav

Re: The Talos debate
« Reply #14 on: March 03, 2018, 02:52:05 PM »
I did read many post and posters that claim an HG cannot exist. Kav is the last one on this list.
Since you misrepresent my position as a naysayer, I have to repeat myself for a third time. Please read this carefully so I don't have to repeat it again:

I'm saying that:
There is no law of physics or mathematics that can prevent the wheel from showing you a losing number. Again and again. There is nothing to prevent the ball from landing on a number you haven't bet. Unless you have psychic powers and you can control the ball telepathically.

(It's funny that you wrote such a lengthy reply, yet you didn't address these points!)

No system is invulnerable. (see:Tell me your system and I'll make it lose)
This doesn't mean there are no good or bad systems. There are. And that's what we are looking for: a pretty good system. A system that will produce profits more often than losses and for most players.

A winning system is something much more subtle than a mindless autopilot to easy riches, without risk and with 100% guarantee. This is too good to be true. There is not such thing! Still one can be profitable. This is my definition of a winning system.