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Facts Versus Fiction
« on: February 05, 2018, 05:14:45 AM »
1. Triggers.  Many people here believe that they work, but to date nobody can offer a shred of proof, math, or logic as to why they should work.  Why do you suppose that is?  Anyone?  Anyone?



2. Cluster analysis.  This is another buzz word that's going to soon be recycled, again, on this forum.  I've seen it bob up and down over several forums during the last 15 years.  In an effort to try and dazzle everyone with bs the newest poster/snake oil salesman is going to be throwing around the absurd term as part of a gypsy scam.


  Again, will we ever see anything other than someone's "feelings" philosophical dribble about why it should work?  For example, math, common sense or logic??? 

3. Past spins influence future spins or the next series spins?  Again, has anyone ever in the history of roulette forums offered a shred of proof, math, or logic to the argument? 

Guys,

I get it, you want your systems to work, unfortunately you're reinventing and making the same mistakes over and over and over on these forums.  At what point do you guys learn from the mistakes of others that have traveled the same path long before you?  Rather than trying to reinforce outdated views and waxing philosophically about why you believe something will work while seeking reinforcing comfort, try opening your eyes, and using some good old fashion common sense and math for a change.   
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MickyP

Re: Facts Versus Fiction
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2018, 05:45:05 AM »
Prove that AP works. Don't snake around and give half answers.

I have nothing to sell. What do you sell?

I make my money on the table.

If you change your outlook on the game you get the answers to your own questions.

Sorry, your post TRIGGERED the need to respond.
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MrPerfect.

Re: Facts Versus Fiction
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2018, 12:03:29 PM »
Prove AP work... lol lol.  Industry freaks about it!!! Development of wheels for past senture is to counter it...  all their procedures to " randomise" game. How one can ignore???
 
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Mike

Re: Facts Versus Fiction
« Reply #3 on: February 05, 2018, 12:22:01 PM »
Prove that AP works. Don't snake around and give half answers.

Does not being able to prove that AP works prove that systems DO work? Of course not, it's non sequitur.

AP is either VB or bias. If a wheel is biased, then OBVIOUSLY it can give you an edge, providing the bias is significant. So the question is : are there such things as biased wheels? Yes, but your success depends on how good you are at recognising and identifying significant bias. As for VB, read this article in New Scientist, which contains a link to the original paper written by scientists.

Your turn. Prove that any system using patterns, progressions, triggers based on spin history, or anything of that ilk, actually works. Please provide a link to a reputable source such as a university dept. or scientific organisation (scammer's web sites don't count, lol).

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I have nothing to sell. What do you sell?

Even if he was selling something, would that prove that systems work? Another non sequitur.
 
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Re: Facts Versus Fiction
« Reply #4 on: February 05, 2018, 01:15:40 PM »
One day a young Guglielmo Marconi talked to his teacher, Professor Righi, about the idea to send electromagnetic waves to communicate with America. The professor said "Get out of my class before I kick your ass".
  They asked to the most trusted source of knowledge about that, Mr. PoincarĂ©, who said: "Maybe Marconi thinks the Earth is flat. We should inform this young lad that is a globe in the space, ahahahah! Foolish."
  Because, you know, electromagnetic waves goes in straight direction. You can cross a hill, but nothing more than that.
  Marconi hadn't a degree in Physic. Was a ignorant in the field, but lucky him his mother had plenty of money, and he could set up a couple of antennas, one in England and one in Terranova. With much surprise for everybody else, they get a signal, the transmission worked.
  What Marconi, and other, didn't know back then was that the Ionosphere would bounce the electromagnetic waves so to allow the signal to circle the globe.
  Marconi get a Nobel Prize for physic, without getting a degree in physic, and we got radio.
 
Even in my broken English, I hope you all could understand the story (a true story) and the moral. The same story can be told about many many situation where who thinks that knows everything and patronize other end up making a fool of himself.
  Who really knows stuff is humble, because he understand that what he knows is just a part of a wide universe of unknown. Nobody has any right to destroy other people search. Doing that just proves that his wisdom and kindness his not very high, and from a person like this there is nothing to learn.
 
 
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Mike

Re: Facts Versus Fiction
« Reply #5 on: February 05, 2018, 02:29:03 PM »
Yes DrTalos, it's a shame how many system players are closed minded about AP.   :)
 

scepticus

Re: Facts Versus Fiction
« Reply #6 on: February 05, 2018, 04:04:05 PM »
I think , Mike, you have misunderstood Dr.Talos.
His remarks apply also to you and other AP who criticise system players.
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scepticus

Re: Facts Versus Fiction
« Reply #7 on: February 05, 2018, 04:19:59 PM »
Thanks for the link Mike.
I had read it some time ago. What the link  proves is  that  your version is a bastardised version of Doyne Farmers because he uses a COMPUTER " at the scene of the crime " !. You guys don't !
 Just as I have always maintained >
 

Reyth

Re: Facts Versus Fiction
« Reply #8 on: February 05, 2018, 04:22:34 PM »
 

Mike

Re: Facts Versus Fiction
« Reply #9 on: February 05, 2018, 04:57:24 PM »
I think , Mike, you have misunderstood Dr.Talos.
His remarks apply also to you and other AP who criticise system players.

Yes, I know he was mainly targeting his post at system players. But at least you recognise that it works both ways; system players are often as dismissive of AP as AP are of systems. But APs do provide reasons why AP works and systems don't, whereas system players can't justify their reasons for believing that systems work, nor has any system been shown to win consistently. The sorts of "reasons" system players provide are like those just given by DrTalos, which are not in fact reasons at all, but just attacks which aim to put critics of systems in their place and attempt to take the moral high ground, and portray APs as being blinkered and bigoted. And to say that "Nobody has any right to destroy other people search." is just silly and melodramatic. This is a discussion forum, and you're free to ignore any posts you don't agree with.

And I think DrTalos is being just a little bit hypocritical, because he himself doesn't believe in triggers or using past spins. He claims his system wins consistently, but it's based on pure money management.
 

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Re: Facts Versus Fiction
« Reply #10 on: February 05, 2018, 05:03:54 PM »
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  Because, you know, electromagnetic waves goes in straight direction. You can cross a hill, but nothing more than that.

Talos,

Back then we didn't know much about magnetic waves and the ionosphere.  Fortunately for everyone, today we know everything there is to know about simple multiplication and counting.
And since we can now count ( very effectively thanks to science), we can safely say that the same number of pockets remain on the wheel from one spin to the next.

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scepticus

Re: Facts Versus Fiction
« Reply #11 on: February 05, 2018, 05:36:09 PM »
No , Mike, you do not show why YOUR version of AP works.   
Your link showed  that the AP that WORKED used a computer - you don't. So your version is not the same as the ones that actually won. What you show is how it could be done - IF you could do it .I say you can't and the only way to show that your  theory works in practice is to demonstrate it in the REAL world.
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Re: Facts Versus Fiction
« Reply #12 on: February 05, 2018, 05:42:25 PM »
Scepticus,

You should first master counting the number of pockets on the wheel before worrying about whether or not AP works or not.  ::)
 

Re: Facts Versus Fiction
« Reply #13 on: February 05, 2018, 06:05:03 PM »
Just asking, what does AP stand for?
 

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Re: Facts Versus Fiction
« Reply #14 on: February 05, 2018, 06:16:40 PM »
Advantage play.  Whether it's slots, card counting, etc...the player has the edge over the casino.

In order consistently win over time you must have an edge of some kind.  Anyone that claims otherwise sucks at arithmetic.  Debating the arithmetic is a fool's folly.
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