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##### I just don't get it
« on: January 21, 2018, 08:06:22 AM »
Why do you all love real? I haven't been the best person on this forum but this dude is so pessimistic it almost makes me want to claw my eyes out. The doubt without proof is maddening

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#### MickyP

##### Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #1 on: January 21, 2018, 08:35:48 AM »
I for one don't care who or what he is. I see arrogance and I wonder if it's not the result of an underlying inferiority complex.

#### Mike

##### Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #2 on: January 21, 2018, 09:07:06 AM »
The doubt without proof is maddening

I assume you mean doubt about systems and their efficacy? If so, it is not "doubt without proof", but just an acceptance that roulette is a negative expectation game, and no manipulation of stakes or selection of bets in the random game affects this, that is all the proof you need to "doubt" ANY and ALL systems. This is not arrogance, but just a recognition of mathematical facts. The accusation of arrogance stems from the lack of understanding that the NE applies to ALL systems. The system advocate thinks that every system XYX must be tested before passing judgement. Any system, according to him, has the POTENTIAL to be a winner, and only testing can sort out the wheat from the chaff. So to write off ALL systems seems like mere prejudice and arrogance. He fails to understand the universal applicability of the negative expectation and how it's not affected by money management and bet selections.

Those who favor advantage play - the application of physics to roulette - may be equally frustrated by system players who doubt it. "Where is the proof that it works?", they ask. APs can't prove mathematically that their methods work, and they also can't prove mathematically that they DON'T work. But in the case of systems, there IS mathematical proof that they don't work and the only assumption for this proof is that outcomes are random.

You cannot beat the random game by applying rules WITHIN the random game, but you can step "outside the box" of randomness to another world which isn't touched by the proof of negative expectation.

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#### MickyP

##### Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #3 on: January 21, 2018, 10:05:55 AM »
Mike, buy a copy of "The Grail in You" or whatever the name is and turn negative expectation into positive expectation.

Thought this might cheer you up.

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##### Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #4 on: January 26, 2018, 07:10:45 AM »
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Why do you all love real? I haven't been the best person on this forum but this dude is so pessimistic it almost makes me want to claw my eyes out. The doubt without proof is maddening

Replace the word pessimistic with the words experienced, and handsome.

While most of you do this as a hobby, some of us do it for an evil living.   When it comes to systems, there's nothing that I haven't seen before.   It takes me all of a second to look right though every system and instantly see the flaw and the weakness of it's design.  I'm sorry that you're not at that level yet, but in time with careful study, tutoring, cliff notes, a large data base and high speed computer, and minions, you too will see the big flaws.  Regardless, I ignore most of the systems posted anyway because I am me.

On a side note, I'm currently hiring.

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#### MickyP

##### Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #5 on: January 26, 2018, 09:19:42 AM »
Now that's a big full stop at the end of a sentence.
Minions must be alert at all times. They are told to alway keep one eye open...lol

#### Trilobite

##### Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #6 on: January 26, 2018, 10:28:16 AM »
I just don't get it

#### scepticus

##### Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #7 on: January 26, 2018, 12:08:21 PM »
Why do you all love Real ?
You are addressing only AP in this forum because there have been many  posts objecting to his ...obnoxious attitude.
He .has a sense of humour ! You need to understand that he is a salesman trying to sell his advice.
Like other AP he practices being " The Invisible Man " to avoid detection.His knowledge of roulette wheels is remarkable but that is because he is- or was - employed  in the roulette wheel industry for many years . From that he gives gullible members the impression that this has given him the knowledge to beat the casinos !
Perhaps if we ignore him he will go away ? Nope. Salesmen  have thick skins.

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##### Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #8 on: January 26, 2018, 06:15:15 PM »
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You need to understand that he is a salesman trying to sell his advice.

To whom?  For how much?

#### scepticus

##### Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #9 on: January 26, 2018, 06:18:28 PM »

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##### Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #10 on: January 26, 2018, 06:30:18 PM »

NO Scepticus,

I don't charge minions for helping them with evil.

There is no document.
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##### Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #11 on: January 26, 2018, 06:41:29 PM »
Kav,

There appears to be a problem. I can't thank my own posts.

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#### Mike

##### Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #12 on: January 26, 2018, 07:20:52 PM »
His knowledge of roulette wheels is remarkable but that is because he is- or was - employed  in the roulette wheel industry for many years .

And how do you know this?

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##### Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #13 on: January 26, 2018, 07:24:11 PM »
I was never a salesman for the industry.

I am just evil.

#### scepticus

##### Re: I just don't get it
« Reply #14 on: January 26, 2018, 07:58:34 PM »
mike
Someone in another forum said that Real / Houston / The General etc. etc. had worked in that industry for 40 years and " Houston" did not contradict it . Ask yourself, " Why did that guy claim that ? Isn't it reasonable to assume that Real / Houston told him ? And doesn't he have a remarkable knowledge of wheels ? he said he had 3 wheels . Might they have  been wheels that had been replaced by casinos ? And Real , being employed in the Industry got them at a knock- down price ? He claims to have more  " Past Spins " than anyone . Might he have got them from casinos he worked in  as , say, an engineer or salesmen - though he has recently said that he is noi a salesman. ?
You said that you have  "A Document " of his from an indirect source. If you analyse it you might find some evidence that he does / did work in that industry .   Though he recently said that there is no document .