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MickyP

Re: Building a system on finals.
« Reply #75 on: September 14, 2018, 01:08:37 PM »
"Basically it's bias play for combination of numbers."....Interesting observation.
 

MrPerfect.

Re: Building a system on finals.
« Reply #76 on: September 14, 2018, 07:37:06 PM »
There are shortcuts to bias play... they are ways to identify numbers that are " related" to specific sett of conditions. Normally any bias player has these shortcuts identified and tested . It's done to minimise required amount of data before playing. 
   However , bias player has deep understanding of physics of this phenomenon. Bias play without direct observations  ( tool of bias player) is possible,  but require longer data setts to determine relationship between numbers and groups of numbers that has tendency to hit together.
   Systems by itself are just math methods to explore advantage provided by favorable bet selection.  They do require positive expectation to be effective.  No system will be worth of players time with negative bet selection. And majority of the systems will perform well if bet selection is positive.
   I imagine that first system was born when random fellow observed real player in action and tried to do the same. All systems look like a hard trying to replicate what real player supposed to do.
Even red/ black thing has its merit. .. long ego red numbers were painted with color that contain lead. It was a reason to minimise bounce of ball producing higher frequency of stops ( at least it was a common believe at that time).
 
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MickyP

Re: Building a system on finals.
« Reply #77 on: September 19, 2018, 10:25:24 AM »
"Systems by itself are just math methods to explore advantage provided by favorable bet selection.  They do require positive expectation to be effective.  No system will be worth of players time with negative bet selection. And majority of the systems will perform well if bet selection is positive." Quoted from MrPerfect above.

There is no better way to state the obvious as MrPerfect has done above. Well done Teacher! Positive expectation is what drives most, if not all systems. The waves I spoke of with this method are positive and negative waves. In a game with a limited amount of numbers in play it should be apparent that with practice you will be able to identify "potentially" positive waves. Betting is limited to these occasions. The more you learn to recognize the waves the easier the game becomes.
« Last Edit: September 19, 2018, 10:28:39 AM by MickyP »
 

MrPerfect.

Re: Building a system on finals.
« Reply #78 on: September 19, 2018, 12:02:57 PM »
Thank you, Mickey. At least someone understand what to do there in roulette in general.
   What normal adequate player does there is to attack picks on graph. There is nothing more to do there. It's not about stick to system no matter what, it's about results.  If system do not corresponding reality now, drop system, use other or wait till it does.
   To attack picks on graph optimally is what systems are about. It's like trading... there are time frames ( sessions) required for advantage realise ( produce profit)... there is required session bank to bank game while advantage has a chance to realise... there are levels of a abuse in betting ( risk/ reward)...ets.
   That's same thing AP does. Calculate chance of randomness of observed result, if statistically significant,  determine factors that may prejudice,  create playing model ( Base system), create betting model ( flexible / adjustable)... stick to system, monitor results.
   Logic of proceedings is same, be it system player or AP, what differ is proper bet selection and understanding what to do/ how and why.
 
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mr j

Re: Building a system on finals.
« Reply #79 on: September 19, 2018, 12:49:39 PM »
If your progression could change the math, the house would run you out, just like they do card counters.
 

MrPerfect.

Re: Building a system on finals.
« Reply #80 on: September 19, 2018, 12:55:07 PM »
Where this " change the math" comes from? What is a big idea?
 

mr j

Re: Building a system on finals.
« Reply #81 on: September 19, 2018, 12:59:19 PM »
"If your progression could change the math" >> Whats so tough about this? You dont have to agree with it but....not understand it?
CHANGE a tire.  CHANGE your clothes.  CHANGE your mind.
CHANGE the math.

If you use a progression, does the *MATH* of the game change in your favor? Simple.

Ken
 

mr j

Re: Building a system on finals.
« Reply #82 on: September 19, 2018, 01:01:24 PM »
Say its a 00 wheel, 5.26%.
You are a progression user. Does the % now drop to 3.2%?

 

MrPerfect.

Re: Building a system on finals.
« Reply #83 on: September 19, 2018, 01:02:35 PM »
No. Progression does not change math. It change average bet. If bet selection is positive, proper progression- more money. If selection is negative or progression is not proper- less money.
 

mr j

Re: Building a system on finals.
« Reply #84 on: September 19, 2018, 01:04:58 PM »
More money, less money what? Profit? Gross? Net? Hourly?
Try and keep up MrP
 

mr j

Re: Building a system on finals.
« Reply #85 on: September 19, 2018, 01:16:01 PM »
No. Progression does not change math. It change average bet. If bet selection is positive, proper progression- more money. If selection is negative or progression is not proper- less money.

Thats not winning, thats maintaining. Big difference.
 

MickyP

Re: Building a system on finals.
« Reply #86 on: September 19, 2018, 01:34:20 PM »
Progression is off topic here. Each player will use their own money management method.
The discussion is about when to bet... Pay attention in class or start another progression thread.  ::)
 
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