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MrPerfect.

Re: Gamblers Fallacy as a positive tool
« Reply #30 on: December 12, 2017, 02:44:02 PM »
Fyodor, lm into " easy wheels" and "play casino money " 3 years already. All your words egainst house l finished building from it. 
   Mike, nice post!
 

MickyP

Re: Gamblers Fallacy as a positive tool
« Reply #31 on: December 12, 2017, 05:19:37 PM »
What he did ever contributed ?
   It wasn't " comments" about AP, it's just many words together of someone who has no idea what he is tolking about.
   I'm not atacking his " integrity", there is none to atack  ...
   How you can defend someone that waiting something to happen in random and claming that gamblers always are under gf? What "integrity" is that?
   If you see any, you are not entitled to speak about " blind accepting" either.
   Should l continue? I desist... instead of reasonable discussion it becomes multiplting of non cense.

I see your anger boiling through and you have every right to be angry. I challenged your rudeness to Dobbelsteen in which you undermined his right to air his own opinion. I thought he made a valid point and you didn't think so. I relate to his words and you dismiss them as nonsense.

AP in my mind is a step higher than system players. You were probably a system player once. You've put in the work to become an AP and this puts you in a position of overall understanding of the game. I do not have your level of knowledge or AP skills but that does not mean I should keep quiet as I witness your schoolyard bully, king of the sandpit attitude towards dobbelsteen.

To blindly follow is to follow without question simply because of where the instruction comes from.
 

MrPerfect.

Re: Gamblers Fallacy as a positive tool
« Reply #32 on: December 12, 2017, 05:46:55 PM »
MickyP.
   He stated " l never seen on this forum AP with a plan"..." AP struggle thru sequences of misses"..  or something along these lines. It's not truth. I do not care if it's a lie or result of not understanding,  it's simply non sense.  So l call it non sense.  What's your problem with that? I call things by their name. Problems with the truth?
    If you can not see how what he says is far from reality, then you are " blind following". It's exactly what you stated you wanna avoid. Another truth...  what you gonna say now? Is it bulling to tell you or anyone the truth?
   I gave possibility to him or anyone to defend what they belive in. Just state in simple words why your systems supposed to make sense. .. yet no reply. If anyone prefer to continue with their fallacies, it's only good,  that's exactly what creates opportunity for me to profit. So l do not care about lies, just hope that you guys only illude others and are not illuded yourself.
  Have a nice day.
   
   
 

MickyP

Re: Gamblers Fallacy as a positive tool
« Reply #33 on: December 12, 2017, 07:14:04 PM »
If a player thinks ,he can predict the outcome of the next spin, he falls is the mouse trap of GF. The AP player thinks he can predict the outcome of the next spin. On this forum  I have not met an AP player with a plan. AP players also walk against a long streak  no hits. No one explains his method to overwin a negative streak.
A gambler struggles always with the GF.
A roulette player with a system and a strategy knows , he can not predict the next spin. A player plays sessions and expect a win within a number of spins. His expectation is based on his knowledge of the features of random sequences. The equilibrium feature is one important feature. He uses also the probability of events not the spin. He knows that the result of a fixed event in the short run can be positive or negative. The successful player leaves a session after a positive balance. Hit and run. The roulette must spin and the player may bet.
I use more than one method for different chances.

MrPerfect, I apologise for offending you in my defence of dobbelsteen. I have quoted his response so I can better clarify my stance.

Dobbelsteen did not attack you personally but refereed  to AP in general with regard to predicting the outcome of the next spin. He mentions that even AP have off moments where they have a string of losses. This is true for different reasons, too much to drink, wrong ball size, not calculating for changes in atmospheric conditions and so on. I follow your posts very closely and have been blessed with somewhat of a photographic memory for random details.

Dobbelsteen goes on to explain how system players play knowing they can not predict the outcomes of spins and his remarks are valid.
The fact that he has never seen an AP with a plan is because AP knowledge is not freely available and discussed openly. AP knowledge comes at a cost. The open "surface discussions" on AP are created to draw awareness to the possibilities of big wins with the application of AP game play.
You shouldn't feel insulted by the comment when you feel the thickness of your own wallet. It's all about winning at the end of the day.

 
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MrPerfect.

Re: Gamblers Fallacy as a positive tool
« Reply #34 on: December 12, 2017, 09:06:58 PM »
Mickey,  no offences taken.
  AP do not make mistakes on ball in use. He may loose some time to determine it for sure ( online for example).
 Good AP play only when he has advantage, play itself is execution of plan. When losses on the row come, AP stop playing , unless he understands that it's random fluctuation ( happens as well).
   There is a big difference between what he thinks ( Dobbelsteen) and reality.  AP require eyes open ;) .
    I'm just tired of reading whatever....
 There is no difference between good AP and good system player ( edge aside), both technically should use same way of thinking to develop strategies and betting plans.  Both definitely should look wheel and process all information available.  There are ways of play that are beyond both AP and systems, but even these require wheel dinamics understanding. 
    If such methods ever mentioned, AP would call these systems and system players would think it's AP.... after a while with total understanding of the wheel, boundary between these 2 dissipates.
   That's why l like read some new ideas ...
  In fact everyone does same..  all go to forums, copy/ paste posts... ets.
   Curios thing.. after going for many forums and copy/ pasting, deleting bs... l got in my library only 3 posts... it's from 5 forums!!! Do you imagine my frustration with forums in general?
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dobbelsteen

Re: Gamblers Fallacy as a positive tool
« Reply #35 on: December 13, 2017, 10:32:50 AM »
I was an engineer and I thought my adult students the maintenance of large power plants.
Nobody can convince me that a human can predict the outcome of the roulette. The roulette wheel has to many independent random influences. There is also a delay between the observation and the reaction. The time for placing the chips on the table is very very little. This be said, I do not participate in AP discussions.
MrP wrote that he only wagers when he has an advantage, But he can not clearly explain what his advantage is.
The bias wheel players do not tell us what a wheel bias is and how to determine.
My approach of the roulette is, that there is no difference between the outcomes of the wheel or a pseudo RNG.
My reseurch is based on fair random number sequences. The results are free available for all my followers.
 
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MrPerfect.

Re: Gamblers Fallacy as a positive tool
« Reply #36 on: December 13, 2017, 12:04:57 PM »
Dobblesteen,  are you power plant or mechanical engineer?  Roulette is mechanical device , subject to mechanical inperfections - these are bias.
   While ball is rotating on the track, it's possible to predict rotor position in the end of spin. This is how vb advantage is created.
   Mechanical inperfections of the wheel do affect ball jump and are subject to statistical study. This is how bias player advantage is created.
   I do both vb and bias play. Do you understand how l create my advantage?  It shouldn't be that alien idea even for power plant engineering guy. I do demos thru Skype in real time for my students, got roulette at home, you know...
 
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dobbelsteen

Re: Gamblers Fallacy as a positive tool
« Reply #37 on: December 13, 2017, 01:34:24 PM »
I do not believe that inperfections influence the random outcome of the roulette. On YouTube you can find a beautiful  30 minute video from Cammegh manufactory of roulette wheels. Mechanical inperfect devices do not pass the quality controls. The built in sensors guard the  perfect working and condition of the device.
 The diamonds care for a fair random outcome.
 RNGs used in science and pseudo RNGs have no inperfections.
My mind and knowledge is my advantage.
 
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MrPerfect.

Re: Gamblers Fallacy as a positive tool
« Reply #38 on: December 13, 2017, 02:19:33 PM »
"Belive" should be a tabu word for a power plant engineer. You do not tolk like engineer either.
 

MrPerfect.

Re: Gamblers Fallacy as a positive tool
« Reply #39 on: December 13, 2017, 02:52:29 PM »
 Dobbelsteen, l just red qualifications required to be plant engineer. Half of that is required to beat roulette. On this basis l proclame you not serious.
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dobbelsteen

Re: Gamblers Fallacy as a positive tool
« Reply #40 on: December 13, 2017, 03:11:22 PM »
Please discuss on roulette contents!!
 
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MrPerfect.

Re: Gamblers Fallacy as a positive tool
« Reply #41 on: December 13, 2017, 03:20:40 PM »
Roulette require understanding of mechanics , stats and physics. All of these and much more is nessesary requirements  ( it's a bashelor degree, bro) for power plant engineer. That's why when you clame to be power plant engineer , you pose as a joking person. Especially when you base your opinion on belives and chip propaganda when you supposedly got nessesary training to verify these assumptions by yourself.
    It's not a discussion, it's an aqusation.  If you are really a plant engineer, l want your licence to be revoked for a half and saifty reasons, you represent iminent danger to population.
   Otherwise you are just a joking person who pretend to be someone who he is clearly not.

   

   
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MickyP

Re: Gamblers Fallacy as a positive tool
« Reply #42 on: December 13, 2017, 03:34:34 PM »
MrPerfect, your ongoing battering of Dobbelsteen puts you in bad light. This sort of behavior will turn away potential students of AP . If you want to insult him then do it in private.
 
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MrPerfect.

Re: Gamblers Fallacy as a positive tool
« Reply #43 on: December 13, 2017, 03:41:16 PM »
Micky,  do you like lies?  These who do when disposed should feel themselves insulted? You belive that they need your help?
   Please answer honestly.
 
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MickyP

Re: Gamblers Fallacy as a positive tool
« Reply #44 on: December 13, 2017, 04:26:25 PM »
I frown on any type of dishonesty and distance myself from those found guilty.
 
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