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Re: Small wins per session
« Reply #30 on: January 16, 2018, 01:25:31 PM »
Hi Micky,

I'll like your way of thinking. Yes small sessions are great. But i only play for 4-10 points profit a day.
I only play 2 or 3 systems at the same time. Good that you mentioned 4x4 drive without a doubt the best double dozen system. I play it with NLE but the original 2 EC's to become three. Only play the trending EC's and stop after two lossses in a row and wait for a virtual win. Most important is to be patience and have a good self-discipline
and good bank roll management. If i had a bank of 200 in will only play with a 2 unit base bet.
 

scepticus

Re: Small wins per session
« Reply #31 on: January 16, 2018, 01:42:18 PM »
A bank of 100 bets is a good idea Shadow. Allows for a long losing sequence.
I am actually experimenting with one just now. Started with 25p units have now won enough to move to 50p and then £1 - and there I will stay .
 
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MickyP

Re: Small wins per session
« Reply #32 on: January 16, 2018, 02:18:32 PM »
I'm happy for you scepticus . The idea on building your bankroll is a simple concept but if managed correctly will bring good rewards. Keep us updated on your progress.
 

MickyP

Re: Small wins per session
« Reply #33 on: January 16, 2018, 02:34:13 PM »
Hi Micky,

I'll like your way of thinking. Yes small sessions are great. But i only play for 4-10 points profit a day.
I only play 2 or 3 systems at the same time. Good that you mentioned 4x4 drive without a doubt the best double dozen system. I play it with NLE but the original 2 EC's to become three. Only play the trending EC's and stop after two lossses in a row and wait for a virtual win. Most important is to be patience and have a good self-discipline
and good bank roll management. If i had a bank of 200 in will only play with a 2 unit base bet.
Hi ShadowBlue. The system I mentioned was Hermes 4x4 double street system. You start by playing the last double street and you continue adding each double street until a repeat where you win. Problem is the progression is high when playing five double streets. The odds of six unique  double streets coming up is slim but it does happen. If I recall correctly you need 33 units to complete covering 4 double streets. Progression is:
1ds - 1 unit
2 ds - 1 unit on each
3 ds - 2 units on each
4 ds - 6 units on each.
 

Jesper

Re: Small wins per session
« Reply #34 on: January 16, 2018, 04:43:13 PM »
I try to avoid too step progressions. We will soon or later get a run which eats hard on the bankroll. There is way to avoid it to some extent. Like use low chips, try to get the win in some spins, as it use to be clusters of hits.

I did a play just now, using 1 cent chips on a zero wheel. The win was  507 units, which is not too bad, even if it is just 5.07 Euro. The risk was low to lose the shirt. 

I started using 11 bet streets, and then won 1 chip a spin. If I miss I moved one chip to a target street. If and when the hits come, we got a net of one per spin and the loss is gone.

Once during the play I miss so all 11 chips was on one street and got a miss. I put then 11 chips on a split and put one on 6 other splits. The same happens here, if we hit the target split we win all losses back. The progress is not too heavy, and a loss if it comes will not make a big loss.  (See pic).

1592 sessions won now with one loss.

 

MickyP

Re: Small wins per session
« Reply #35 on: January 16, 2018, 05:15:55 PM »
Jesper, your risk reward is worrying. Betting eleven units to make one unit is not wise. It equates to betting 33 numbers for a return of 36, winning 3 units. Your recovery will not always work. Rather try a method where your bet is 12 or less numbers.

The thread is not about methods of play; it's more to do with money management. Building your bankroll.
 

scepticus

Re: Small wins per session
« Reply #36 on: January 16, 2018, 05:49:36 PM »
and the bets on five DS, Micky P are ? for  a total of ?
Worthwhile ?
 

Jesper

Re: Small wins per session
« Reply #37 on: January 16, 2018, 05:52:32 PM »
There is not at all any higher risk, that is no sense. If we use a casino demanding a few dollars as min bet, we may see an other problem with a demanding  high bank . I can lose a couple of spins, as long the target number(s) hit at any time I am home.  I have been standing  real bad runs like a street sleep a long time which with other methods should have been at high expense.

It does not matter if the losing spins are on an eleven number bet or less, the point is to end with a plus a hit on the right bet at any time, the other bets delay the downdrawn rather than increase the risk.

The bet size is constant on almost every spins, and the numbers bet are reduced over the session.

I got 1592 sessions won with just one loss, which in deed build up the bank. I avoid to chip up, as that stage in fact reduce the power of the bank.

 

MickyP

Re: Small wins per session
« Reply #38 on: January 16, 2018, 06:15:34 PM »
and the bets on five DS, Micky P are ? for  a total of ?
Worthwhile ?

If you go back a few posts you will pick up that I was responding to ShadowBlue about an incorrect reference to the double street system. I have not suggested a specific system to build a bankroll with but if I had to do this I would recommend Palestis New System Single Dozen.
 

MickyP

Re: Small wins per session
« Reply #39 on: January 16, 2018, 06:57:29 PM »
There is not at all any higher risk, that is no sense. If we use a casino demanding a few dollars as min bet, we may see an other problem with a demanding  high bank . I can lose a couple of spins, as long the target number(s) hit at any time I am home.  I have been standing  real bad runs like a street sleep a long time which with other methods should have been at high expense.

It does not matter if the losing spins are on an eleven number bet or less, the point is to end with a plus a hit on the right bet at any time, the other bets delay the downdrawn rather than increase the risk.

The bet size is constant on almost every spins, and the numbers bet are reduced over the session.

I got 1592 sessions won with just one loss, which in deed build up the bank. I avoid to chip up, as that stage in fact reduce the power of the bank.
Jesper, the minimum bet is for a single placement on inside bets. Minimum bet for outside bets are higher, at least in our casinos. Betting minimum on a dozen is R100 here and inside bets are R10. If I play dozens I place R10 on the two double street within the dozen for a total of R20. That's a fifth of the minimum bet.

If you are happy with your game play then great for you. As long as you hit your daily win target and grow your bankroll.

I have a few different methods of play and when I'm at the table I decide which method to play for that session. The next session is played on a different table and I may use a different method but I also may use the same method for the whole day.

Chipping up should not be seen as weakening your bankroll but rather limiting your exposure at the table. Chipping up is how your bankroll grows. You decide when it is safe to chip up. If you start with 200 units at R10, that's R2000 cash. Now if you only want to chip up when you have enough to buy 400 units of R25 you need to have built your bankroll to R10000.

You should not change your daily chip win goal. If for example your daily win goal is 50 units (this goal is always in units and not cash) and you play ten sessions a day then the win goal of each session is five units (10×5=50). Your total goal for each day is 50 units.
Cash value of different size chips is as follows:
50 × R10 = R500
50 × R25 = R1250
50 × R50 = R2500
50 × R100 = R5000

I hope you understand the power of chipping up.

 

scepticus

Re: Small wins per session
« Reply #40 on: January 16, 2018, 07:51:32 PM »
Micky
my question was really designed to point out the dangers of negative progressions- and how they reduce the stake size - without having a large bankroll. Progressions escalate dramatically .
 

MickyP

Re: Small wins per session
« Reply #41 on: January 16, 2018, 08:50:35 PM »
Micky
my question was really designed to point out the dangers of negative progressions- and how they reduce the stake size - without having a large bankroll. Progressions escalate dramatically .
Progressions escalate; that's what they do.

In my example above I used 50 units as a daily win goal. Divide that by 10 sessions and you get a win goal of 5 units per session. Are you telling me that winning 5 units a session is difficult? Remember you are working with a bankroll of 200 units. 5 units is a very small % of that.

As stated I'm not advocating a method of play. I am looking at managing bankroll and growing it to suite your method of play. In other words, your starting bankroll should be sufficient enough for you to play your method and win your session target for X sessions a day to make your daily target. By breaking your daily win target down to small targets you can manage your play much better. This way you compel yourself to leave the table when your session target is reached. Most players never leave the table when they should and they end up losing.

I relate to B/M tables with this concept and am not sure how you would approach it playing from a PC. Maybe you could share some ideas for the benefit of other PC players.

 

scepticus

Re: Small wins per session
« Reply #42 on: January 16, 2018, 09:05:36 PM »
I don't play online Micky though I have experimented there  a few times .
I play in a B&M casino.
 

MickyP

Re: Small wins per session
« Reply #43 on: January 16, 2018, 09:28:54 PM »
Okay,  I presumed incorrectly. My apologies.

Do you understand the concept though?
 

scepticus

Re: Small wins per session
« Reply #44 on: January 16, 2018, 09:56:01 PM »
Yes.
I certainly agree that some stay too long . It is one of the problems we face.  WHEN to stop ?
Some feel that you should " MILK " the "winning streak ".  Nowadays I bet for a certain number of spins and "Win or Lose  leave the table but if I have four or five wins on the trot I tend to take the profit at that point
That is what I am doing now , having developed a new strategy which I am testing .
My experience is that a daily target  of x amount is not the way to go - sensible as it seems. I have losing days and winning days  and EXPECT that I will win more overall  but I don't have a Daily target.This is why I now use a 100x bet bankroll  to cope with the losing days. 
Each to his own , as they say . 
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