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palestis

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1185 on: June 10, 2019, 09:03:12 PM »
I figure I will follow your advice (and Gia's) and play all 3 triggers but instead I am proposing to only play 4 VL's :D
Just to make things clear by 4 VLs do you mean 4 entire virtual triggers (that's 12 spins in total in 4 different triggers).
If that's the case it will take probably all day to actually find it and then play from the 5th trigger on.
It will definitely be a guaranteed hit but time is the problem.
 
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GIAJJENNO

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1186 on: June 10, 2019, 09:17:49 PM »
I would be happy if someone create app, which saw the online tables where we are deposited, and somehow the app will "indicate" that it catched a 2, or 3 virtual loss, and we just can bet money.
 
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Third

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1187 on: June 10, 2019, 10:43:29 PM »
I know that your marquee only has room for 4 VL's, right?

What do you think we should do if we see 5 VL's?

I only ask because I am tracking the last 24 spins (as if my marquee was 24 spins in length) and it is possible for me to see more VL's than 4?

I realize that the way you play is to get 2 VL's, play once (1 total loss, two virtual) and then leave the table.  Do you ever stay at the same table after getting a loss because more triggers formed while you were losing the 3 bets?

I am still debugging (its quite the tangled comedy of errors!) and so I am not conclusive on how many VL's I will actually play but I am leaning towards the original 2. ;)
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palestis

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1188 on: June 10, 2019, 11:13:28 PM »
The marquees in live casinos usually have 16 numbers displayed.
3 VLs are 12 numbers. ( 3 for the very first trigger and 9 that will be played to complete the 12 lost spins). 
4 VLs are 15 numbers. (3 for the very first trigger and 12 to be played).
When we look for VL's, they have to be back to back.
If you see 2 VLs and then a VW (virtual win) , then another VL it doesn't count as 3 VLs because the process was interrupted by a win. 
A win cancels the count and we have to start all over again. 
It is possible to see 5 B2b VLs , but I don't see this happening any time soon.
Thousands of tests and it hasn't been seen yet. Certainly you can't sit back and wait for that, because there will not be any playing done for a long time.
But if you happen to run into it,  then by all means bet the highest amounts you can afford.
« Last Edit: June 10, 2019, 11:38:31 PM by palestis »
 
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Third

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1189 on: June 10, 2019, 11:42:23 PM »
See, you can tell you are talking to a strange bird with those weird questions.  The code was bugged and I had some bizarre results.  Funny you mention the back to back without wins because YES, I DID forget to put that in initially and had to fix it.  I definitely have some decent respect for anyone that can code for this method because this kind of tracking is not straight-forward.

So I still want to know though, after you find a table with 2 VL's and you bet thrice and lose, do you leave that table no matter what or will you stay if another trigger has formed while you were losing those 3 spins?

Also, I think I learned something new about "pre-processed" triggers that you talk about.  I just had one that had two lost bets already posted against it (XXY) and I happened to win on the first bet BUT if I had lost that single bet (it would have been my second lost TRIGGER), I would then go get 2 more VL's and on the progression, I would commence with  2 3 5 (i.e. progression steps 5,6,7)?

To clarify specifically, the progression is:

1 1 1.5
2 2 3
5 5 7.5

I bet already 1,1, 1.5 and lost my first trigger (with 2 VL's on the books).  I immediately found a second trigger with no red flags that already had two posted losses against it.  I bet 2 (progression step 4) and won BUT if I had lost that single bet, once I had my 2 VL's in place again, I would commence betting 2, 3, 5 (progression steps 5,6,7)?

I think that's correct and the funny thing is, I was mentally locked into a "3 bets per trigger" mindset, so that every loss would be a full level lower on the progression chart but that's not the case, right?  Pre-processed triggers (gently used triggers?) create a very interesting change in the betting flow! :D

There are definitely some hidden things about your method but they are hidden right out in the open! :D
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palestis

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1190 on: June 11, 2019, 01:39:41 AM »
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So I still want to know though, after you find a table with 2 VL's and you bet thrice and lose, do you leave that table no matter what or will you stay if another trigger has formed while you were losing those 3 spins?

Well its actually 6 spins because i play 2 triggers 3 spins ea. trigger. If i lose those i usually take a break a few ninutes. And restart. But if i  put up the larger B/R i will continue
 
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Third

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1191 on: June 11, 2019, 02:28:46 AM »
When you have two triggers to choose from, a gently used one or a fresh one, which do you prefer?  I like playing the gently used ones. :D



Ok folks, this is a crude but functional computer app.  Its not pretty and it isn't any kind of "finished product" but it does what it does and my testing is much more relaxing now.



You simply enter the spins and it will report the last 24 results in a "1-2-3" format for both  Dozens (DZ) and Columns (CL).  Below that, it will automatically total the number of VL's for each row and you can commence betting, whenever you wish.

Bet amounts, balance and which trigger you have chosen to bet on, are not calculated.  This is simply an automatic VL counter that uses all 3 trigger formats: YXX, XYX, XXY.

The app is supposed to run on its own but it never seems to do that, so:

1) Go HERE, download and unpack the compiler.
2) Download and unpack the .zip file in this post, into the same folder you unpacked the compiler to.

3a) Double-click Pales_Dozen.exe
OR
3b) Double click qb64.exe, File ---> Open ---> Highlight Pales_Dozen from the list, click OK and then hit F5 on the keyboard.

A .txt file is also created with your spins called "Pales_Output.txt".  If you want to report the VL's for a row to the text file, just hit the "G" key twice for the Dozens and the "B" key twice for the Columns.

IMPORTANT NOTE:  Even though I have agonized over the program logic and believe this is bug free, I am only testing with fake money and am keeping a general eye on the logic vs. the output as I go.

Regarding VL's keep in mind that the most recent win will cancel any previous VL's and that win could be as recent as the last 4 spins.

I will be updating this software significantly, after my successful testing and before I play for real money.
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GIAJJENNO

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1192 on: June 11, 2019, 08:04:16 AM »
Excellent work Third!

By the way, I never tested Pales dozen system flr columns. Is it have a same statistics, and a maximum 4 b2b too? 🤔
 

Third

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1193 on: June 11, 2019, 10:30:49 AM »
Yes.  Columns are 100% the same as Dozens, unless there is some kind of wheel bias/dealer signature; in that case, every bet selection is different, no matter what it is. 

Thanks.  From my perspective, it is barely acceptable work (I think and hope); the point being, it appears to accomplish what is designed for; automatically calculate VL's so we can focus on grinding.  Some things I would like to add that have come to mind so far, is the ability to indicate which trigger we are betting & the ability to set an alarm for a specific number of VL's.

@Pales: I haven't had this happen yet but I know you have said that if you are on Level 3 of the progression and you lose the third step, you plan to stay there as long as it takes to recover.  If I was to be in a situation to implement this, after I lose on the 3rd progression step, do I start the level over at 50 or do I continue at 100 until I get a hit?

Example
10 10 20 [-4/$40]
20 20 40 [-12/$120]
50 50 100 [-32/$320](first pass)

Stay at 50 or continue betting 100?

I feel like your answer will be bankroll related, so let's say you have a 200 unit bankroll here ($2000). :D
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1194 on: June 11, 2019, 02:07:31 PM »
How about instead of chasing 2VL only bet on 2 steps bet(3+3) and if it pass the 3rd step accept the loss and re-start again? Anybody test it before?
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GIAJJENNO

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1195 on: June 11, 2019, 03:16:09 PM »
How about instead of chasing 2VL only bet on 2 steps bet(3+3) and if it pass the 3rd step accept the loss and re-start again? Anybody test it before?

No, but excellent idea! Worth to try it.
 
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palestis

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1196 on: June 11, 2019, 09:37:11 PM »
Example
10 10 20 [-4/$40]
20 20 40 [-12/$120]
50 50 100 [-32/$320](first pass)
Stay at 50 or continue betting 100?
My first priority is to find at least 2 Trigger VLs. It may not be 2 exact trigger. It may be 2 triggers and 1 or 2 steps into the next trigger. And I expect to have a hit in the rest of the steps or if not in the next trigger. (since I know that the max is 4 trigger losses B2B).
10-10-15 will be the first 3 steps. Then 20-25-35 for the next 3 steps.
If I lose that I know I have 4 B2B triggers. I will not increase the progression into the 5th trigger.
Rather I will look for 2 more VL triggers and start with 25-25-40 and stay that way for as long as it takes to recover.
Usually after an unusual number of B2B losses, the next triggers usually hit very soon. (according to tests).
But as I said I don't go into a casino with a progression plan. it's spur of the moment type of attitude for me. Plus I often combine 2 systems together if the main system gives me hard time. 
And a lot depends on how my previous sessions went. if I had a lot of winning sessions, I will be more daring with higher starting chips.
 
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Third

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1197 on: June 11, 2019, 10:30:19 PM »

My first priority is to find at least 2 Trigger VLs. It may not be 2 exact trigger. It may be 2 triggers and 1 or 2 steps into the next trigger. And I expect to have a hit in the rest of the steps
Yes, I discovered this secret about the betting steps.  A gently used trigger means we only have to bet once or twice, saving money and progression steps on the loss.  Using this method, we don't always flow through the progression steps in the same way; it varies based on the way the numbers flow out.

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10-10-15 will be the first 3 steps. Then 20-25-35 for the next 3 steps.
Here is where I start to diverge.  It seems to me that the ugliest situations are usually in this spot; in the environment that produced a loss despite the 2 VL's.  Why do you stay there and continue betting?  What am I missing about this situation that should be more profitable?

I abandon the loss and simply get 2 more VL's, examining the new situation.  That doesn't mean I can't miss another betting sequence but it definitely "feels less ugly".

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I will look for 2 more VL triggers and start with 25-25-40 and stay that way for as long as it takes to recover.
This is my question.  You lose at 40 (hasn't happened yet), would you bet again 40 or 25?

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Usually after an unusual number of B2B losses, the next triggers usually hit very soon. (according to tests).
I agree!  I have seen this over and over.

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But as I said I don't go into a casino with a progression plan. it's spur of the moment type of attitude for me.
This is obvious as I think I can quote 3 different progression plans from you.  It is clear that you are making up your mind on the specific numbers based on how you feel about the situation, based on all the parameters that you observe (remaining bankroll, overall session flow, time constraints, etc.).

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Plus I often combine 2 systems together if the main system gives me hard time. 
And a lot depends on how my previous sessions went. if I had a lot of winning sessions, I will be more daring with higher starting chips.

File this for long term thought.
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GIAJJENNO

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1198 on: June 11, 2019, 10:44:11 PM »
Reyth, unofrtunately I cant use your program, I have windows 10, and this platform is not enabled.
 

Third

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1199 on: June 11, 2019, 10:45:18 PM »
I have Windows 10.  It works regardless of what the download page says.  It works excellently in fact. :)