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« Reply #570 on: December 09, 2017, 09:48:10 PM »
Ok thanks all. I followed the rules exactly today, skipping triggers thathad red flags and yet I went through 7 triggers where I did bet losing them all!
I find it very hard to believe that 7 triggers lost in a row @3 spins ea. trigger.  (21 spins total).
I have tested this system for a year with live roulette spins and had hard time seeing 3 triggers lose in a row. Once I saw 4 triggers but there was  0 or 00 involved just before the trigger.
I wish you had the numbers.
As far as 5 losing triggers and up I never encountered. If I did the system would've been rejected.
I don't know what the deal is with RNG numbers, but roulette was meant to be played live at a live table. 
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« Reply #571 on: December 09, 2017, 11:48:42 PM »
Mr Palestis, Never was a truer word spoken, you are right when you say that roulette should be played with a live table/dealer/wheel/casino.
The apparent indifference towards B&M situations, is concerning.
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« Reply #572 on: December 10, 2017, 12:50:22 AM »
Well this was just play mode,  I never bet in real mode on rng. Mu next test will be using real spin data and I'm hoping to get to my local b&m casino this week and win some money! There's a lot of stuff in the pages of this thread that complicates it all - I understood the idea and rules right away and want to stick with that. The old adage, keep it simple.

One question though,  would this be likely to work on airball machines or are they akin to rng?  I've never used them but have read they can be fixed sometimes?
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« Reply #573 on: December 11, 2017, 09:54:49 PM »
Can anyone give me their view on the electronic airball machines please? Should they be avoided or would they be as likely to work with this strategy as a live dealer wheel?

Having read more of this thread, pages 28-29 were very interesting. It seems the smart thing to do is only bet after YXX has appeared, perhaps betting larger stakes as you'd be there all night otherwise trying to hit target. I had a look at some spins earlier on a live online wheel and the triggers where no red flags showed did lead to a loss (3 spins) quite frequently. The progression of 1-1-2, 2-2-4, 4-4-8 etc would take a long time to get into profit I think as after a losing set you'd need to win 3 times to make profit. The spins I was observing did have some runs where this happened but also had 2 failing triggers back to back quite a bit and then the old WLWL type sequences. I think best to just use YXX as a trigger OR use a more aggressive progression that restores profit with one winning spin.


« Reply #574 on: December 11, 2017, 11:29:24 PM »
When I test systems on airball machines (observing but not actually betting), it works like live roulette.
For small bets and small wins airball machines didn't behave suspiciously in actual play. For larger bets and extended play I don't know.
What you can do after every small win, press the cash out button and get the ticket.
Then move over to another chair/terminal and put money (not the ticket) and continue the system.
At least the computer (if it monitors a specific terminal that wins), cannot establish winning consistency, because you don't stay long enough.
If you find frequent 1 trigger losses (3 spins), then you should employ the virtual loss mode.
(Wait to lose the 3 spins after the trigger without betting), and then bet actual chips  the next trigger.
« Last Edit: December 11, 2017, 11:33:07 PM by palestis »
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« Reply #575 on: December 11, 2017, 11:49:46 PM »
Another version of the single dozen system is the "pattern match".
It has the same results as the XXY trigger version after long time testing.
You take the last 3 numbers and that's the trigger.
If you have 3-28-17 the pattern is 1-3-2
You bet 1st dozen first, then the 3rd then the 2nd dozen. Stop whenever there is a match.
If you have 30-25-6 the pattern is 3-3-2. You play 3rd dozen then 3rd again then 1st. Or stop if you match it.
What is nice about this version, it is easy to follow and also very easy to use the virtual loss mode without much confusion. .
For example if you have 22-10-17- 4-20-35 the 1st trigger (22-10-17 or 2-1-2 pattern) lost because 1-2-3 pattern followed. Then you continue with the new pattern based on 4-20-35 ( 1-2-3 pattern).
In other words if you want to use 1 virtual trigger loss go down 6 numbers on the score board and check if the 6th , 5th and 4th numbers pattern lost.
If you want greater certainty and have the patience go down 9 numbers and see if you have 2 trigger losses. 
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« Reply #576 on: December 12, 2017, 09:49:34 PM »
Ok so I went to my local b&m casino today and did well using the YXX trigger and 1-1-2, 2-2-4, 4-4-8 progression. I never got beyond the 5th spin in fact, and that was only once. As it didn't restore me to profit I needed another win there-after and I got it. All the other times, I won within 4 spins to either make profit or break even (4th spin). I applied the rules as set out on page 1 of this thread so avoided a few triggers.

What frustrates me at b&m casinos is how slow it is - 1 to 2 minutes wait for each spin. You just can't build up a big profit unless you stay for hours or have a large br to begin with. I was able to speed it up a little as I sat a video hub which let me switch cameras to 3 live dealers that were in the casino, this meant it was never too long finding a trigger YXX so I didn't need to use other triggers (I did once or twice and still won). I also saw a run of 16 straight spins with no 3rd dozen so couldn't resist, was shocked it didn't hit until the 21st spin, which was my 5th progression bet. Just goes to show why you can't just blindly go betting on one dozen forever until it hits. 

I'm using my money management strategy of increasing bet sizes as target wins are achieved, but its so slow one session takes 1-2 hours. Bit of a slow burner but if each session works as well as today, there should be very few lost sessions and only exponential growth of the br. I left the casino with £155, having walked in with £90 so not bad, but I can make that much online in 20 minutes sometimes.

Also they did have an airball machine but it was broken so that was a moot point in the end! ;D
« Last Edit: December 12, 2017, 09:55:41 PM by sam41 »
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« Reply #577 on: December 12, 2017, 10:27:44 PM »
A single Dozen can be expected to go missing for 41 spins, just for a reference; this and several spins prior are once in a lifetime type events, being 1 chance in several-many millions.

Pales spoke quite a bit about using larger unit sizing as well.  Some of the biggest successes in gambling, started with pennies and raised their BR to millions.
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« Reply #578 on: December 12, 2017, 10:52:21 PM »
Is that 41 based on it having happened and been reported a few times? It seems a very specific number, i.e. why 41 and not 42 or 43, which by that point would surely be possible too? Or is 41 based on some sort of statistical formula?

Anyway this strategy certainly seems to be effective, thanks Pales - just out of interest, do you or anyone else know WHY it is so effective? I get that we're playing the percentages a little with the triggers but this would seem to be another "something is due" strategy which don't usually work long-term, i.e. gamblers fallacy. Why are we so sure our dozen is going to arrive fairly quickly after these triggers pretty much every time? We know it does work, I just wondered if it can be explained?


« Reply #579 on: December 12, 2017, 11:14:06 PM »
Using probability and statistics is not the GF.

I run 1 Dozen for 16M spins and I am not able to generate more than 41 successive spins without a hit.  My RNG trials correspond to published results from real wheels.


« Reply #580 on: December 12, 2017, 11:48:14 PM »
As HARRYJ explained it, it is normal for a dozen to sleep for a few spins. So when you have XXY you narrow it down to 2 dozens for the next 1-3 spins. You just bet on the Y to appear one more time.
That's the basic explanation.
If it doesn't appear in 3 spins, you have to wait for a different  trigger. Otherwise if you chase the same Y dozen, it could go missing for many spins. 
By the way HARRYJ is gravely ill with a heart problem. That is y he hasn't been in the forum for so long. I hope he makes it.
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« Reply #581 on: December 13, 2017, 12:12:14 AM »
Wow me too :(


« Reply #582 on: December 14, 2017, 01:39:48 AM »
Two visits to two different casinos today and success at both! Again the strategy rarely goes past the 4th spin. I had one occasion where I won on the 6th spin (2nd trigger) but I think that's all from memory. We always learn lessons though don't we? Yesterday I learned a dozen can go missing for over 20 (or indeed, 41) spins. Today I learned how crucial it is not to make mistakes - I put my money down on the wrong dozen today and didn't notice until the wheel was already spinning for the 2nd time. To my dismay, had I put it on the correct dozen I'd have already won on the first spin! Slightly rocked by this, I made perhaps a bad decision to continue and lost the 3rd spin, and as always seems to happen when you screw up, the wheel punished me by not letting me win on the next trigger. So what should have been 3 lost spins was now 6 and I won on the 7th but had to work a bit harder to recover and had that horrible sinking feeling we've all experienced but I haven't had since using this system! I could have done without that. I got back to a small new high profit and decided to take a break and gave myself a telling off.

This game is hard enough to beat without making silly mistakes!

I played dozens and columns today, whatever was triggering, this helps speed things along a bit. Columns is a bit harder as they enforce minimum of £5 bet on D's&C's but if I want to bet £2 I just put £1 on each DS in the dozen. For columns all you can do is place 6 chips as splits, and with 25p being the lowest chip that equates to £3 and more br needed for progression. So you just have to be a bit careful with columns if you are a low value player if there are minimum bet values in force. 

Anyway with the strategy plus the odd bet using other strategies, I came away with around £100 over the 2 sessions.
« Last Edit: December 14, 2017, 01:44:52 AM by sam41 »
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« Reply #583 on: December 14, 2017, 03:22:17 AM »
I wasn't following. .. too much to read, and not interesting to say the truth.
   However, to win on dousens there is a trick. It used to work for a while ( always???) when l was playing these....
  Trick is simple : make your gess way you do, but do not chase. No progression, missed ones, bet as normal on gess or system... doesn't matter.
   No reason whatsoever it will work for you same way it used to work for me.
    These are rulls l used to apply:
Bet vertical or horizontal 12 number option wich hits frequently
If miss on vertical, focus on horizontal on next spins... and vice- versa. 
 Option has to hit frequently, no more then 2 misses on the row on last 7 spins.
 If some option of these you try to gess hits twice on the row on last 2 spins- no bet( wait pattern to break.
   It wasn't a bread maker, but allowed to spend some time while tracking when l knew no better.
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« Reply #584 on: December 17, 2017, 11:45:37 PM »
Ok so played online the other day (live dealer) and found I was not getting the same hit rate as in the b and m casinos. I was hitting,  but it was frequently going to 5, 6 spins rather than occasionally. I also got to 7 and exhausted 9 spins (3 triggers) with no win. Not a disaster as I still did get some wins too, but what happened was my bankroll didn't really grow, it fluctuated between being down and marginally in profit. After 2 hours I was only up 15 units and hadn't been up by more than 20.

What I realised was that I wasted a lot of time because the progression does not restore you to profit after the 3rd spin and if you win on the 5th, 7th or 8th spins you need to win again.  So today I used a progression of 1-1-2-3-4-6-9-13-20-30-45-68 (202 units)  and although I only played a short session I won on the 5th spin once and 6th spin once, and 4th spin twice. The session was quicker as all these gave me high profit. Of course its more aggressive and needs higher br but when we are so confident to win within 4 triggers/12 spins its a fairly low risk I think. Certainly compared to the four pillars method I was using where I needed 500 units to win 50.

From all the testing done with this it seems to be very reliable, but I'd be interested to hear if anyone has found it to fail for them (using the original rules and flags)?
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