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Nisayon

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1245 on: July 10, 2019, 11:11:11 AM »
I have to say that I tried both bet selection with triggers vs. random numbers. There was no difference in my experience. My way to get rid of variance is progression and consecutive (or "near" consecutive) hits 😉

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MickyP

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1246 on: July 10, 2019, 04:40:53 PM »
Virtual play or switching methods to target adverse variance are also viable options.

Jesper

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1247 on: July 10, 2019, 05:20:19 PM »
Virtual play or switching methods to target adverse variance are also viable options.

HOW?

MickyP

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1248 on: July 10, 2019, 05:58:27 PM »
Read this thread. Palestis has explained in detail how he uses virtual play to manage his game.

If conditions are not conducive to success with the single dozen triggers then switch to another method like the Dozen Drive that functions optimally under Pales system adverse conditions. Switch back when you note that conditions are swinging back to normal play.
I do this often in my play with great success.
« Last Edit: July 10, 2019, 06:01:49 PM by MickyP »

palestis

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1249 on: July 10, 2019, 11:46:00 PM »
Virtual play or switching methods to target adverse variance are also viable options.
HOW?
I use what is called Virtual Losses.
If you see on the score board 30-35-22-28-7-36, the first XXY trigger (30-35-22), lost
when 28-7-36 came, because the 2nd dozen (target), did not hit.
This is an entire trigger (3 steps),  virtual loss (virtual because you happened to see it on the score board and you did not participate in any bets).
If you take the last 3 numbers that came (28-7-36) you have a new trigger XYX.
And the target is the Y-first dozen.
If 20- 35-18 came after that, this trigger also lost because the 1st dozen failed to appear.
Now you have 2 virtual losses of entire triggers (6 betting steps).
They are called virtual losses because you either happen to walk by a roulette table and saw these numbers, or you wait in one table until you witness 2 virtual losses.
However it's not always the case that you will run into complete trigger virtual losses (3 betting steps each trigger).
You may see an entire trigger lost plus 2 steps lost in the next trigger.
It's up to the individual player to decide what is the best option for him depending on his Bank Roll.
If the B/R is limited and/or hard to replace it after a total loss, then the more virtual losses he observes the closer he comes to certainty. Because we know that the max B2B losses observed is 4. But you also have to be prepared for a 5th, if it should ever happen.
If the B/R is plentiful and easily replaced, and you can afford to use higher starting chips after each loss then you can use less virtual losses or even not virtual losses at all, to take advantage of possible back to back wins, which is not unusual.
It's all up to the B/R that determines the action.
If you have \$10,000 B/R and the starting chip is \$10, it's obvious that you will never lose.
It would take probably 10  B2B losses, to lose that kind of B/R.
And it has to happen the very first time you try the system.
Because until you run into 10 B2B losses
(hypothetically, because realistically it will never happen in this lifetime),
you will have well over \$200,000 from winnings, therefore you can afford to lose \$10,000 if the unthinkable happened.

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MickyP

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1250 on: July 11, 2019, 01:23:55 PM »
"If you have \$10,000 B/R and the starting chip is \$10, it's obvious that you will never lose.It would take probably 10  B2B losses, to lose that kind of B/R.  And it has to happen the very first time you try the system.Because until you run into 10 B2B losses(hypothetically, because realistically it will never happen in this lifetime), you will have well over \$200,000 from winnings, therefore you can afford to lose \$10,000 if the unthinkable happened."

Very interesting Palestis. With this method and the right bankroll lies the HG for a lifetime. You will only feel secure once you pass the self sustaining mark of at least three times your starting bankroll. With this you can experience at least two bankroll losses (B2B) and still have gas in the tank to push forward. A sound retirement plan.

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MickyP

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1251 on: July 11, 2019, 03:54:21 PM »
In reality a bankroll of 10 000 with a chip value of 10 gives you 1000 units.

If 1000 units (of any value) is enough to face the run from hell, black swan, etc using the standard Palestis Single Dozen System with added advantage (triggers are the first advantage as they identify a betting target) of incorporating virtual losses, then by playing strictly to plan a player will see success. You need a few active tables in a B/M casino to conduct business.

Time and money management are required to formulate a sound business plan with an easy to generate initial investment. Players can start with a smaller bankroll and build it up to match the investment required.

That's how we roll....TEST, PLAN, EXECUTE.

palestis

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1252 on: July 11, 2019, 06:01:22 PM »
Actually with that kind of B/R as it compares to the value of the starting chip, several systems can become the HG. Not just the dozen system.
The problem is, that those with that kind of B/R available and easily replaceable, will not play in way that leads to a small profit and then  leave.
And those who managed to get this kind of B/R, but cannot replace it, or it is the last money of their life's savings, still won't go thru the cycle of risking it all, even if tests guarantee a certain win.
And if they come across several B2B losses, they will think twice before the decide to continue and most likely they will stop for fear of losing their entire lifesavings.
The irony is that most players cannot afford, or will not risk  the required B/R if the starting chip value is high, as it is the case in B+M casinos.
And those who have plenty of B/R to afford playing in a 10 cent minimum online casino, are forced to accept a very small profit, which does not add significantly in improving their lifestyle.
The solution is to set aside part of the small profits by playing chip values that the B/R guarantees wins.
When the B/R grows to where it should be  (no matter how long it takes), then start going for the higher chip values. Always setting aside part of the winnings to go for even higher chips as the B/R grows bigger and bigger.

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MickyP

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1253 on: July 11, 2019, 08:54:53 PM »
So true Palestis, so true.

What you have described in your post above is actually the basis of Roulette Business 101.

Rich

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1254 on: July 12, 2019, 06:12:39 AM »
@mickyp
What do you Mean with the dozen Drive system?

Jesper

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1255 on: July 12, 2019, 10:13:10 AM »
I think most people do not think it is sane to risk all theire money on gaming, most will find it strange, even if they got  a small edge in the game. If I would ask any person, which has some knowledge in probability, !WE toss coin, if I win you pay  me 0.9 and if you win I pay you 1.1, they would take the bets, if not think it were in moral.

The very same person which the same or even better odds would hesitate to put all belongings on one bet even if the odds were like 1/3 to lose.

MickyP

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1256 on: July 12, 2019, 11:36:59 AM »
@mickyp
What do you Mean with the dozen Drive system?

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MickyP

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1257 on: July 12, 2019, 12:55:34 PM »
Rich, view the attached file and you will see how to incorporate the Dozen Drive with the Single Dozen System. Pales system is the primary system played and when a  trigger can not be formed then the dozen drive is used to keep play active. As soon as a Single Dozen trigger falls into line, we revert back to primary play. In the example of about sixty spins, the first three spins secure the first trigger and toward the end of the sample there is one more three spin break but play is continuous for the most part. Hope this answers your question.

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NANNI

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1258 on: July 16, 2019, 02:12:23 AM »
Hello @all
thank you  forum admins for letting me join,
thanks palestis and all contributors for this phantastic thread.
I play this System and would like to report in on the results, put forward proposals and ask questions.

At present I have played 52 days:
palestis original version,

6 days lost, total chips +688.
Longest loss streaks: After the 6 lost virtual bets hits on bet 13, 14, 16.

Mako Version: I got severely mauled by strong streaks of bad luck.
Am heavily in the loss with this Version.
I have introduced virtual lost bets before betting in the hope to get my Money back.

Best regards
Nanni

NANNI

Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1259 on: July 16, 2019, 09:01:00 AM »
37Hello again,
the Version of "palestis original game" I´m playing at present is:
Wait for 2B2B losses to appear.
(My chip size is 4 times the minimum.)
On virtual bets 5 and 6 I place a minimum size chip so that in case of a hit,
I have a small financial compensation for the waiting time.
If there is no hit, I have the 2B2 losses and start the progression in real chip size:
1-1-2
3-4-6
9-14-21
35-50-85
If I have no hit within this 12 step Martingale, I have 6 B2B losses.
I then decrease bet size to minimize the losses and accept a loss day.
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If I would have attacked only until 4B2B losses and then waited for another 2B2B losses before
continuing the Martingale attack on the new signal, I would only have lost once in the 52 days. If.
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What interests me very much, is WITH WHAT BETTING PROCEDURE AND WITH WHAT PROGRESSION SETUP DO YOU BELIEVE THAT YOU COULD HAVE A NEAR TO INVINCIBLE GAME SETUP WITH 1000 CHIPS ONLY.

My procedure at present is presumably only second best at most, but not the worst, as kitchen table tests before play have shown.

I would very much appreciate an information exchange with experienced players
best regards

Nanni