### Author Topic: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN  (Read 165284 times)

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#### scepticus

##### Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1080 on: November 06, 2018, 09:39:11 AM »
If you factor in a  negative the result will ALWAYS be a negative .IMO of course

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#### Stratege

##### Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1081 on: April 13, 2019, 06:34:55 PM »
I wish to bring to this discussion of 73 pages (!) Some precise notions to reduce the gaps on the dozens. The model of palestis (XXY + attack on 3 or 4 spins) is a very correct base. We are waiting for the model 2X + Y and we play 3 or 4 spins to hope Z. If Z comes, we will close the part always after the coming of a Z (example: // XYX (YYZ) //; // YXX (YZ) //; // XXY(YXX) XYYXYXYXZ //). It is important to wait until the end of the gap with the coming of a Z to close the part, that is what diminishes the deviances in the accountancy of the player. Of course, if // XYZ // the game is closed, we cannot play it. With this principle of play, we take spins that have a weaker deviance.

But we can improve this principle by using "staggered games". We take for example the sequence // XXY (YXX) XYYXYXYXXZ //. A first staggered will take 1 spin on 2 // XXY (YXX) XYYXYXYXZ //. We have here // XYX (XYY) YX //. It will be necessary to use shifts of 1 out of 2 and also of 1 out of 3, etc. We can thus follow several staggered games and play only the spins that indicate several times Z to play. The gaps will be further diminished.

My opinion on a negative progression is not favorable, because it is playing against the gap (too long). It must be emphasized that the negative progression assumes that we can beat roulette with the force of money. But the "black swan" will always remind us that the only triumphant force against roulette is the discipline based on statistics. Personally, I advise to follow this strategy in "staggered games" with unreal bet and of course to play according to the concept "deviance-compensation" (or another concept if players have a reliable knowledge). I know that players do not like a little complicated method. But it is necessary to make a choice, to enrich the casinos or to defend oneself correctly, with a technical level adapted to “the reality of the laws of the hazard”.
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#### MickyP

##### Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1082 on: April 14, 2019, 09:02:27 AM »
You said one useful thing in your mumblings above. The fact that you should wait for the completion of the cycle. This was covered in the dozen drive and yes, it does tend to soften deviance experienced.

A good approach, don't you think.

#### Sputnik

##### Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1083 on: April 14, 2019, 03:36:49 PM »

Stratege I like the way you describe the imbalance-compensation or should we name it wave-compensation.
There is a time when you are up and times when you are down and we need to get out of the sequence when we are up.
Is very rare that you get a bad sequence without reversal, back to back.

You get reversals 86% with all sequences that start with a negative result and 17% stay negative with no compensation.
The expectation is at least one reversal or wave-compensation

This is true if you play 100 placed bets sample flat betting for 60.000 trials.
68% do you get at least two reversals.
Pretty interesting if you ask me.

Problem is that if you aim for +1 unit or +0 reversal for each and every session.
The average loss is around -8 units and eat up the profits.
I once won 100 sessions with a gain of +66 units and -8 units, but that was fluctuation and luck, next 100 sessions did not go as well as the first one.

I think Brett Morton Money Management Strategy would be a good way to tackle this issue.
Average loss -8 and average win +6

This statement is statistically proven.

Cheers

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#### sweaterszn

##### Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1084 on: May 11, 2019, 12:52:12 PM »
I would not judge a system, based on results in an online casino. Especially RNG or live dealer out of a studio.
The low starting chip has nothing to do with it.
Once they figure that you follow a system, they would sabotage the player.
No system should be played in online casinos. Best not to play at all.
I emphasized in other posts that losing in online casinos creates doubts and insecurities. For reasons other than system failure.

I am currently playing online to build up my bankroll.

Im playing on SugarHouse's website (SugarHouse is in Philly..about 45min from me in Jersey)

How would they sabatage me if they found out I was using a system?

And how would they even find out that I am using a system?

Are they even aware of the single dozen system?

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#### palestis

##### Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1085 on: May 11, 2019, 02:10:29 PM »
They don't need to know any of these.
if it is online they can simply see your winning history.
it is a question of whether or not they are willing to sabotage players.
When you play online anything is possible.
Do they have an option for online playing in that casino?
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#### sweaterszn

##### Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1086 on: May 11, 2019, 06:47:25 PM »
oh ok.

I'm not sure if they have an online option in that casino. I haven't been there in a couple years. Why do you ask?

And I plan to build my bankroll up to \$1000-2000 and then I will start to play live. Because like you said anything is possible with online. But I just love the convenience of playing from home in my pajamas lol

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#### punch

##### Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1087 on: May 11, 2019, 08:26:33 PM »
Hi everyone!

Back to back losses seems like one of the greatest fears with this or any system.  Has anyone tried playing the triggers separately within each dozen?  So basically each dozen is it's own game.  You would keep track of where you are in your progression based on the dozen that the trigger tells you to play.  So for example, if the trigger tells you to bet on the third dozen and you make your first level of three bets and lose, then when the next trigger tells you to play the first dozen, you treat the first dozen as a separate game.  Instead of playing the second level of bets, you play the first level of bets on the first dozen.  The next time the trigger tells you to play the third dozen, then you continue where you left off the last time you played the third dozen.

I don't know if that would increase or decrease the chance of back to back losses, or maybe it makes no difference at all.  But has anyone noticed when they encounter the back to back losses, is it more from a mix of the dozens missing one after the other or is it from one dozen continually missing because it's the sleeping dozen.  I think it would be interesting to find out some stats on that.  If say 90% of the time it's 2 or more dozens missing one after the other, then playing each dozen separately would make sense.  But if 90% of the time it looks like the same dozen keeps missing in a row, then maybe that can be a red flag to watch for?

Thanks for sharing and starting this great thread Palestis!

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#### palestis

##### Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1088 on: May 12, 2019, 02:01:51 AM »
oh ok.

I'm not sure if they have an online option in that casino. I haven't been there in a couple years. Why do you ask?
I am currently playing online to build up my bankroll.
Im playing on SugarHouse's website (SugarHouse is in Philly..about 45min from me in Jersey)
I asked because it sounded like you play online in that casino.
I am just curious what online casinos allow US players to play online

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#### palestis

##### Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1089 on: May 12, 2019, 02:36:35 AM »
Hi everyone!

Back to back losses seems like one of the greatest fears with this or any system.  Has anyone tried playing the triggers separately within each dozen?  So basically each dozen is it's own game.  You would keep track of where you are in your progression based on the dozen that the trigger tells you to play.  So for example, if the trigger tells you to bet on the third dozen and you make your first level of three bets and lose, then when the next trigger tells you to play the first dozen, you treat the first dozen as a separate game.  Instead of playing the second level of bets, you play the first level of bets on the first dozen.  The next time the trigger tells you to play the third dozen, then you continue where you left off the last time you played the third dozen.
Interesting observation.
Back to back losses is indeed  the biggest problems of any system.
The more numbers you play the greater the damage when it happens. (due to the steep progression)
Over the years I found that back to back losses of mixed triggers (of the same system), do not suffer as many B2B losses, as one same trigger carried to a long progression.
Your idea has merit. And needs some extensive testing.
But 3 bets on the target dozen (1st level), is not enough to ring alarm bells.
Because the first or second bet on the 2nd level could produce a hit.
But unfortunately after the 1st level is lost, that's when the player's heart is starting to pound as he watches his bet amounts getting bigger and bigger.
That's y I practice virtual losses.
As I read backwards the score board I am looking for a trigger XXY that has already lost up to the last number spun on the score board.
It could be a loss of the 1st level or it could be a loss of the first level plus one or two bets of the second level. Or it could be a loss of 2 levels, or any combination of levels and/ or steps of the next level.
I see that as money saved if I had started to bet from the  beginning.
Then I start  with real bets after that and hopefully I will not break the B2B lost trigger record that has been observed in tests.

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#### anil26

##### Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1090 on: May 12, 2019, 05:20:54 AM »
They don't need to know any of these.
if it is online they can simply see your winning history.
it is a question of whether or not they are willing to sabotage players.
When you play online anything is possible.
Do they have an option for online playing in that casino?
I want to know if really they sabotage players
I have a record of playing online and have made big bankroll with a very small amount sometimes from just 50 or 100s to thousands and then I lose
What question in my mind is if they would try to sabotage one player would not be they benefitting other players
I lose after making big banktoll I start playing big bets
In online as there are thousands of spin per day and in roulette they have the house edge they do not need to sabotage a player
And if we maintain playing smaller chips and make a per day target and play when there are more players,  is possible to make a constant winning
I want some input on this from some experience players
Because I have only option to play online
I should stop playing roulette and start my forex, trading
Thanks

#### Third

##### Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1091 on: May 12, 2019, 08:25:18 AM »
1) Relying upon the experiences of real players who are successful in the online casino you wish to play at is invaluable

2) We should only play at online casinos that are audited for fair output

Is this a live wheel or RNG?

#### kav

##### Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1092 on: May 12, 2019, 01:26:25 PM »
This great system has now over 150K views!

#### sweaterszn

##### Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1093 on: May 13, 2019, 03:25:45 AM »
playsugarhouse. com

This is the site I play on. They also have a casino in Philadelpia.
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#### sweaterszn

##### Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1094 on: May 13, 2019, 07:08:31 AM »
Looks like you can only play on this site if you live in New Jersey.

On their terms page it says:

6. LOCATION RESTRICTION

It is a Federal offense and a violation of New Jersey state law (N.J.S.A. 5:12-95.23a) for persons physically located outside of the State of New Jersey to engage in internet wagering through a casino in the State of New Jersey. In order to participate in wagering games offered through the Services (but not otherwise access or use your account), you must be physically located in the State of New Jersey. You agree that you will not attempt to participate in such wagering activities while physically located outside of the State of New Jersey, and acknowledge that any such attempt could result in enforcement actions against you.
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