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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1020 on: May 28, 2018, 12:42:37 AM »
We have only one table, and around about 3-5 seats. The machine is in the middle, and ball spinning, not light goes around.  Yes, I can miss spins, not must to bet all the time.

I think, in one table, waiting for wirtual losses can be irritating, expecially if the became wirtual wins. It is easier to wait, and find virtual losses between 4-5 tables in B and M, but in one table I don know, if it is should...

Yes, changing from 2-2-3 to 5-5-10, when the WR is under the avarage, is good. And when I lose few rounds with 5-5-10, or just I cant rexover with the new scenario, I change for the third scenario, and this would be 10-10-15. The winrate must grow up, and after I am winning 2 of them, I am at +40, or near to the recover fase, where I can changing bets for 5-5-10 again, or 2-2-3. This is I think perfect gameplay for lower units. My wingoals is +30 twice a day, or +50 once. I want to build up bankroll to 2000 euro, than play like you, Palestis, 10-10-15 basic bet, than 20-20-30 or 20-30-40. When WR are really sht, and we except to grow it up, change it to 50-50-75 or 100. Wingoals +100 a day. No need stick to standard progressions, cause it may kill the bankroll, I think.
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1021 on: May 28, 2018, 11:02:53 AM »
I can't accept the point wherein play online should be completely avoided.

Since february I rose my BR online from 200€ up to 1200€ mainly on RNG.

While I clearly remember how employers looked at me when I went out with consistent cash every day playing at airball roulette in small casinos near my hometown.

Play online I think it's a huge opportunity of our age (sport betting is possibly even huger than roulette or BJ).

Anyway thanks Palestis for your reply.
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1022 on: May 28, 2018, 11:35:07 AM »

The problem, just like someone mentioned earlier, is that this system not only looses when you face back to back losses, but also with WLLWLWLL etc. There is such a point of no return when you are down, and then you need several back to back wins to recover. And most of the time it simply does not recover. At least, this is my direct experience. Sad to say.
Here is the problem:
Playing online.
Sorry to say but online playing doesn't work. (RNG or live out of a studio with no other players present like DublinBet). If winning is the player's goal, then live B+M casino is the place to be.
Unfortunately the convenience of playing from home leads to unavoidable losses, and the system is not always to blame
A sequence like WLLWLWLL may seem bad for a $50 B/R (as it is usually the case with online playing), but for a healthy B/R like $1000 and $5 or $10 starting chip there is no way in the world that you can lose on a sequence like this. Or even like this: WLLLWLLWLLLLWLLW.
A good size B/R, with small starting chip relative to the B/R,  can withstand a lot more worst sequences like those above.
The problem is, that nobody deposits $1000 in an online casino and plays with $5, 10 or higher starting chips.
Because in the back of every online player's mind there is always the doubt about trusting  an online casino.
Therefore most players resort to very small B/R which cannot handle a bad sequence that uses increasing progression.
On top of all that I have always stressed the use of virtual losses.
Personally I don't play any system without making use of virtual looses.
Depending on the system, it could be one virtual loss (single spin or entire trigger), or it could be 2 or more virtual losses.
A live B+M casino with several roulettes  available to observe, can afford the use of virtual losses.
As it doesn't waste much  time, like online where only one roulette can be played at a time.
Then it is the progression.
The progression is of secondary importance to me. But I had to post it for this system, as most questions circled around the progression.
With small chips you have to start with 1-1-2.
Personally I base my progression on monetary value. With $10-10-15 it corresponds to 1-1-1.5 progression. If I had a loss the next trigger might go 20-20-30 for as long as it is needed to recover the loss. If there is a loss under 20-20-30 ,I may go 50-50-75 for as long as it is needed to recover.
But I keep the  progression at 1-1-1.5. When recovered,  revert back to the usual chip (10).
But I always keep track of my financial situation, so that I can decide which starting chip is required to achieve faster recovery, and still stay with 1-1-1.5 or 1-1-2 progression.
But to do that you need to know the system's behavior.
More specifically the maximum number of back to back losses it can suffer.
Ps: I still haven't lost once with this system whenever I play it.

Play 10$ chip with 1000$ BR should be the same as play 1$ chip with 100$ BR.

Playing this system with 1$/80 BR I surely lost at least twice (which means I went down to let's say 10$ left and could not afford to continue the progression)

I used the original progression:

112 or 11-1.5

223

334

456

789

while now I see

112

223

55-7.5

... I'll give It another try

Well,  I'm not arrogant nor proud, and I see many of you winning with this system so I'm definetly missing something but I couldn't get it to win... Give it another try with greater chip/br ratio
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1023 on: May 28, 2018, 12:37:10 PM »
Book on probability cost much less then your future losses.
  Normal players use higher bank to win more per hour or reduce time spent playing. Not to loose more per session. But who am l to deviate people from their way ? , especially so if they got stone hard determination to become a looser.
   Why in this world people without math background play mathematically ridged games? Entertainment
...
 

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1024 on: May 28, 2018, 01:15:56 PM »
With larger bankroll, larger you can lost. Try it not with a fixed progression, but try like me, and what Palestis said. 200 unit bankroll, wingoal +30, +50. When you reach a 2000 bankroll (about 2 months) change bets to 10-10-15 for a daily 100 euro winnings, dont judge for the progression, try manage every session based on winrate, and the triggers wave.
 
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« Reply #1025 on: May 29, 2018, 05:08:11 AM »
With larger bankroll, larger you can lost. Try it not with a fixed progression, but try like me, and what Palestis said. 200 unit bankroll, wingoal +30, +50. When you reach a 2000 bankroll (about 2 months) change bets to 10-10-15 for a daily 100 euro winnings, dont judge for the progression, try manage every session based on winrate, and the triggers wave.
Giajjenno,
should empty your inbox a bit.
 

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« Reply #1026 on: May 29, 2018, 06:51:36 AM »
After so many pages this topic still do not arrive anywhere....
  Gentleman,  things are simple. If on the long run its a loss, then on short run is a loss, if uplyed on regular basis. If you wanna play with win goal/ stop loss..  these things has to be motivated and produce better result then continuous game. If triggers are considered, they should me motivated as well.
   All this bla bla bla of stop losses/ triggers/ win goals came from trading. There they are motivated, but nature of the game there is a bit different.  In roulette we can not receive winning now and play later...
    I'm observing this situation and wonder...  day after day, month after month... grown up people speaking about how to beat negative expectation game with random bet selection, it's all while using random triggers...
   Really? No one to produce any better idea then that?
 
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1027 on: May 29, 2018, 09:04:19 AM »
With larger bankroll, larger you can lost. Try it not with a fixed progression, but try like me, and what Palestis said. 200 unit bankroll, wingoal +30, +50. When you reach a 2000 bankroll (about 2 months) change bets to 10-10-15 for a daily 100 euro winnings, dont judge for the progression, try manage every session based on winrate, and the triggers wave.
Giajjenno,
should empty your inbox a bit.

How can I do that? Ok, now I did it.
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« Reply #1028 on: May 29, 2018, 09:46:48 AM »

The problem, just like someone mentioned earlier, is that this system not only looses when you face back to back losses, but also with WLLWLWLL etc. There is such a point of no return when you are down, and then you need several back to back wins to recover. And most of the time it simply does not recover. At least, this is my direct experience. Sad to say.
Here is the problem:
Playing online.
Sorry to say but online playing doesn't work. (RNG or live out of a studio with no other players present like DublinBet). If winning is the player's goal, then live B+M casino is the place to be.
Unfortunately the convenience of playing from home leads to unavoidable losses, and the system is not always to blame
A sequence like WLLWLWLL may seem bad for a $50 B/R (as it is usually the case with online playing), but for a healthy B/R like $1000 and $5 or $10 starting chip there is no way in the world that you can lose on a sequence like this. Or even like this: WLLLWLLWLLLLWLLW.
A good size B/R, with small starting chip relative to the B/R,  can withstand a lot more worst sequences like those above.
The problem is, that nobody deposits $1000 in an online casino and plays with $5, 10 or higher starting chips.
Because in the back of every online player's mind there is always the doubt about trusting  an online casino.
Therefore most players resort to very small B/R which cannot handle a bad sequence that uses increasing progression.
On top of all that I have always stressed the use of virtual losses.
Personally I don't play any system without making use of virtual looses.
Depending on the system, it could be one virtual loss (single spin or entire trigger), or it could be 2 or more virtual losses.
A live B+M casino with several roulettes  available to observe, can afford the use of virtual losses.
As it doesn't waste much  time, like online where only one roulette can be played at a time.
Then it is the progression.
The progression is of secondary importance to me. But I had to post it for this system, as most questions circled around the progression.
With small chips you have to start with 1-1-2.
Personally I base my progression on monetary value. With $10-10-15 it corresponds to 1-1-1.5 progression. If I had a loss the next trigger might go 20-20-30 for as long as it is needed to recover the loss. If there is a loss under 20-20-30 ,I may go 50-50-75 for as long as it is needed to recover.
But I keep the  progression at 1-1-1.5. When recovered,  revert back to the usual chip (10).
But I always keep track of my financial situation, so that I can decide which starting chip is required to achieve faster recovery, and still stay with 1-1-1.5 or 1-1-2 progression.
But to do that you need to know the system's behavior.
More specifically the maximum number of back to back losses it can suffer.
Ps: I still haven't lost once with this system whenever I play it.
Palestis,
just one question. How do you choose when to use a "virtual loss trigger"? Is there a specific sequence WLWLW etc. that suggests you to try a virtual loss trigger?
I used virtual losses for one or two spins, but now you talk about a whole trigger and it's something new. You mean you use virtual losses for three spins (a trigger) and then bet the fourth or you simply skip the trigger and wait for a new one to form?
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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1029 on: May 29, 2018, 09:50:17 AM »
GIAJJENNO,
I'll make new tests with 20€ bankroll and 10c chip, which should be the correct ratio BR/chip
 

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« Reply #1030 on: May 29, 2018, 12:59:55 PM »

Palestis,
just one question. How do you choose when to use a "virtual loss trigger"? Is there a specific sequence WLWLW etc. that suggests you to try a virtual loss trigger?
I used virtual losses for one or two spins, but now you talk about a whole trigger and it's something new. You mean you use virtual losses for three spins (a trigger) and then bet the fourth or you simply skip the trigger and wait for a new one to form?
Good question.
Yes by virtual loss I usually mean an entire trigger. That is all 3 bets every trigger requires.
Then look for a new trigger to form. Not a continuation of the same trigger that lost the 3 bets. (though there is nothing wrong doing it this way, but I haven't made testing based on that idea).
I usually go for 2 virtual losses.
A trigger with all its 3 bets lost, then a new trigger with its 3 bets lost, then actually betting on the 3rd trigger that forms.
It may sound time consuming with a lot of winning opportunities lost, but if my aim is to win, I will do whatever it takes to win. I leave nothing to chance. Especially if the minimum chip the casino requires is high. Like here it is $10 or $15 
When many roulettes are available in a real casino, by back reading numbers, you can find virtual losses that have already happened. So you really don't have to wait long, as it is the case when only one roulette is available.
There you have no choice but to wait on one roulette to lose 2 triggers and that can take a long time.
With many disappointments watching the triggers winning but without having benefit of it.
The point is this.
if you are in a real casino it pays to wait for entire trigger virtual losses, then bet high when there is time for real bets.
In a single roulette (airball or online), if the minimum chip required is very low, then you may let individual spins lose virtually and bet the rest of the spins or extend the spins played per trigger to 4 or even 5.

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Re: NEW SYSTEM: SINGLE DOZEN
« Reply #1031 on: June 17, 2018, 09:06:43 PM »
Palestis
Question. And forgive me if this has been asked before...Do you know why this method wins? If each of the 3 dozens has an equal chance of winning, after xyy you would expect one x and two z to complete the six ( 2 x, 2 y, 2 z). So why bet on x rather than z? Just wondering about the logic. Thanks for any guidance you can give.
 

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« Reply #1032 on: June 18, 2018, 01:34:01 PM »
Because in the very short run, dozens (or any other group), doesn't always claim its exact statistical share. Most of the time one group tends to delay a little. So when you have XXY, you chose to bet on the dozen that appeared only once while the other dozen twice. Expecting the Z dozen to delay for a few spins, it is most likely that the Y dozen will appear in the next few spins. Instead of the X for a 3rd time or the missing Z.
And this fact is verified by testing.
 
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« Reply #1033 on: June 18, 2018, 02:46:10 PM »
Testing..?.. OK. 
 

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« Reply #1034 on: June 18, 2018, 02:51:06 PM »
Palestis
Of course. It's clear now. We're betting against a 'perfect' pattern in the short term. Yes.
Thanks.