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Cluster DS Randomization
« on: November 03, 2016, 03:39:30 AM »

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We want to make the bets as random as possible to avoid the cold tables.

I make a quick 50 units.

On attached files, change .txt to .exe and .doc to .bas and run the .exe with the .bas file in the same place. 

Any difficulties, refer to the bottom portion of this post:


What is so strong about this system as opposed to the designer's earliest systems is that the Cluster takes each bet selection one at a time and analyzes it, taking appropriate action depending on what the analysis discovers. 

If it finds excessive resistance in the form of a bad random flow (negative variance), it will fight back just as hard with a counter-random flow, forcing the wheel to try and follow  as it randomly maneuvers from selection to selection; if there is any deviation in the two random paths, a hit will be delivered. 

If the very worst occurs and somehow negative variance is able to successively or directly conform to AT LEAST four separate decision points (much more are likely), providing excessive negative variance at each, then the Cluster engages a powerful stop loss, continuing to duck, dodge and weave & immediately entering the fight to recover profit once the dust clears.

It is far more likely that the negative random flow will NOT be able to follow the Cluster's evasive maneuvers and instead will allow for more decision points than just the minimum of four.

Having an intelligent bet selection like this that pays attention to every spin, makes all the difference in the world when compared to his earliest systems which were purely robotic (though powerful earners).


These do exist and just as every well established business has insurance against catastrophic loss, we must have a bankroll to address these downswings. 

Currently testing these, so far 2000 units is holding...
« Last Edit: November 03, 2016, 03:08:51 PM by Reyth »
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Re: Cluster DS Randomization
« Reply #1 on: November 03, 2016, 04:39:46 AM »
Good grief Reyth, you are blinded by the layout.  Turn your attention to the wheel instead.


Re: Cluster DS Randomization
« Reply #2 on: November 03, 2016, 05:46:06 AM »
I'm only reporting on a system designed by a guy that is up 175K in real money in a real casino and even though you may be swinging with that kind of bread, I think he might just have something valuable to say.

Since I don't believe in wheels and I only believe in the random flow, I wish to attack the game that way and learn from people who do the same.

If I should find myself playing in a B&M casino, I should accept bias included in with variance and I will get my fair share of both.
« Last Edit: November 03, 2016, 07:17:52 AM by Reyth »
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Re: Cluster DS Randomization
« Reply #3 on: December 11, 2017, 08:26:32 PM »
Glad I stumbled across this topic.

I briefly mentioned Charles in a different post with reference to the evolution of his approach. He is also an online trader and much of the way he has evolved his system has to do with Forex trading principals.

Charles does not play off the wheel at all. He plays RNG in all his demonstrations straight off the felt. He has a favourite double street (16-21) and the fact that he has seen the need to switch double streets at set intervals shows that he is thinking more about missed opportunities. We all know a double street can go to sleep for a long time. His approach is now a little more refined than the example Reyth has provided.

His winnings are impressive playing with one dollar chips. His whole approach is so simple to understand and implement in any type of play conditions. His system/strategy is better than some deeply intricate systems that promise big wins.

The fact that Charles is winning continuously must say something. He started with a few hundred dollars if I can remember correctly and has earned a decent chunk of change since then.

This goes against the grain of most roulette approaches but looking at his wins one can not help but wonder why it works?



Re: Cluster DS Randomization
« Reply #4 on: December 11, 2017, 11:47:54 PM »
Thanks for the reply Micky! :D

He started with $1700 and brought it to over $200,000.

I believe it was his tiered recovery system that helped him win that amount.  He also limits his session length.  I believe the "stop loss" in the chart is a failed attempt to help all users benefit from his recovery strategies without having to explicitly state them. 

There is a bit of "kentucky windage" involved in his recovery process and the general principle is to recover faster than it took to obtain the loss and limit exposure during the process.

I think maybe instead of a "new number group" we generate a new session, it will work better.  Once we miss out at the final square, we start a new session and increase the unit size by +1.
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Re: Cluster DS Randomization
« Reply #5 on: December 12, 2017, 07:38:52 AM »
Charles is aware of the potential losses that his system is up against. It is for this reason that he plays with a small chip value to cover his bet. His original approach was +1 on a loss and -5 on a win but it quickly escalates to big bets on the target area. Instead of trying to find a new system like most of us do, he worked out a way to suppress the fast escalation of his bet value. His bet suppression allows improved money management.

He then realised that other areas of the felt were averaging a higher hit rate than his chosen bet area so instead of looking for triggers to change the bet group he simply incorporated a built in machanical trigger that dictates change after X number of spins. This is a very simplistic solution in trying to catch trends and to me it's as good as window dressing the system. The value of this machanical change is as random as the game itself.

I applaud his efforts to create a simple system to win with. He has done that and proved it to us. What is your understanding of why he has managed to pull this off? His starting bankroll could be a factor but if you have a large bankroll with a weak system, chances are you'll loose. So why do you think he wins constantly?

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Re: Cluster DS Randomization
« Reply #6 on: December 12, 2017, 07:58:50 AM »
I am not sure that he did pulled it off.
And if he did, he does not tell how.
Cause if his system is used as he describes it , it is a loosing one.
you are welcome to try.

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Re: Cluster DS Randomization
« Reply #7 on: December 12, 2017, 10:00:02 AM »
Stas, I'm not endorsing his system as a winning system, please understand that.

Should we presume his winnings are not a true reflection of his game play he has presented us with? I think not. I don't doubt his winnings and he does explain step by step how to use his system. His winnings are a result of a predetermined win goal that he sticks to religiously. If his target is set to reach 980 units from a starting balance of 935 units; as soon as he breaches the 980 mark he ends the session. He may end at 987 units, a mere 13 units from 1000 units but he stops. Many players will chase those last 13 units to reach that psychological 1000 mark.

The reason why I commented on this old post is because it gives us an opportunity to study his approach as a whole and instead of branding it a failure, we should try and understand the success of this approach. I choose to believe his winnings are true and I have studied the evolution of his game play. The fact that he is able to manage a "loosing system" and turn it around into a winning one should inspire us to study his methods, don't you think? Nothing ventured nothing gained.
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Re: Cluster DS Randomization
« Reply #8 on: December 12, 2017, 11:13:07 AM »
It's always a good thing to study, so we know that things we do are right or wrong:)

What I am saying is that if we execute the system as he suggests, we loose. that's it.
He might have turned it to a winning one. I am just not sure that it happened by only sticking to the plan.

I am not guessing. I have tryed it, in different stages of its development. the result was always the same.


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Re: Cluster DS Randomization
« Reply #9 on: December 12, 2017, 11:43:14 AM »
So you have concluded that because you lost he must have lost too and that maybe he fabricated his winning to increase traffic to his system. We have to explore all avenues. Have you made contact with him on twitter or email and asked him to explain your loss?

I'd still like to find out why he wins with something that others fail at.
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Re: Cluster DS Randomization
« Reply #10 on: December 12, 2017, 11:51:47 AM »
if there is a scenario - amount of steps to execute to get to some result.
And for example - no one succeeds to get to this result using this scenario.
Except for one person presenting this scenario. (scenario is a specific one)

what might be a cause for such an occurance?
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Re: Cluster DS Randomization
« Reply #11 on: December 12, 2017, 01:20:40 PM »
It's backtesting.  Folks gather results then invent system without testing it. Obviously it do not gonna work.


Re: Cluster DS Randomization
« Reply #12 on: December 12, 2017, 03:37:14 PM »
I will continue until I understand why he wins.
Rovait, branding him a cheat is unfair, especially because you have no proof other than your own losses.
MrPerfect, no system invention is taking place, just the need to understand the approach in question. As an AP you believe all systems are doomed to failure so based on this your opinion is valid.
I still need to understand the "MAGIC" behind his winning.
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Re: Cluster DS Randomization
« Reply #13 on: December 12, 2017, 10:18:04 PM »
I answered this question in my post but I wasn't very explicit because I have thought for a very long time about this.

Rovait is correct that his systems AS PRESENTED lose.

I don't believe he was lying or cheating and therefore the only answer is his recovery methods which he does not fully disclose.

The systems he presents win more times than they lose.  Using that as a starting point, he plays his recovery to further maximize the chances of a win.  I know he accomplishes this with the tiered recovery and limiting his sessions; as far as anything else he may do, I cannot know because he didn't ever get into details about recoveries, he just mentions them and that they were successful and that he used timing to his advantage.

I have watched every video in his account AT LEAST twice and am very familiar with things that he has said and posted. :)

Is it possible that he used funds from his forex to just fill his account and thus gain subscribers and people to join 888?  Theoretically its possible but its not what I believe.
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Re: Cluster DS Randomization
« Reply #14 on: December 12, 2017, 10:53:18 PM »
Thanks for the explanation Reyth.
I have watched his videos many times and the one question I've not been able to answer is... What's the payoff?

Charles is in the business of making money yet he freely shares his tried, tested and winning system for free. If I was looking for triggers this would be a red flag. Having said that, I still want to find  out why he consistently wins.

I've tested his system at home with pen and paper and modified it then played a bit at B/More table and won. Big bankroll required. Recovery is not easy as the system produces too many swings.

For now, without proof, I'll refrain from branding him a fraud. There are aspects of his system that make sense and the amount of work he has put in or appears to have put in helps to convince viewers that his wins are authentic.

The payoff will reveal the truth.