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Title: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: Romn.Paras on March 31, 2016, 03:04:01 AM
Hello Friends.  I have been reading different periodicals and came across an interesting perspective and would like to share it with you all.

The article stated that " The first principle of any game--every game--is the same.  It's a four sided proposition.  The sides are about like this:

1.) Prevent your opponent(the bank)  from making you play his game, the style of play he prefers.

2.) Prevent yourself from playing his game.

3.) Prevent him from preventing your making him play your game.

4.) Make him play your game.

So how do we prevent the bank from making us play his game?  Does that mean we use a positive progression instead of a negative progression because a negative progression chases our previous losses and that is what the bank wants?  Do we play the outside instead of the inside bets because the odds are much better for us on the outside and the inside benefits the house? 

These were some of the thoughts and ideas I was pondering this afternoon. I would be interested to hear your prospective on this.
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: scepticus on March 31, 2016, 03:20:20 AM
I think. Romn, it comes down to  personal  opinion .
I Flat Bet.
I Hit and Run - which really means - if in  profit  I leave that table.
I now play Straight - Up or Splits because if variance favours me ( luck ) I win more than if  I make Outside Bets.
( for my bankroll }
I also stop for the night when I win or lose a certain amount .( my target }
So I think that I do not bet the way that the casino wants me to bet  !
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: Real on March 31, 2016, 03:46:14 AM
If you have a winning system, then why must you hit and run?  Why wouldn't you want to stay and play for as long as possible?

Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: Trilobite on March 31, 2016, 07:11:22 AM
I use what could be called hit and run as part of my overall strategy, but it is connected to bankroll exposure.

I play long time with small bankroll exposure and large win targets, moderate time with moderate bankroll exposure and moderate win targets, and short time with high bankroll exposure and low win targets.

So betting for relatively short periods with my bankroll at its most vulnerable to win a minimal amount is kind of hit and run in a way.
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: thomasleor on March 31, 2016, 07:56:51 AM
If you have a winning system, then why must you hit and run?  Why wouldn't you want to stay and play for as long as possible?

On this I agree completely. Whether you have a winning system or a tracking software that does the same thing ,applying a strategy of 'hit & run' is more about psychology than the producing profitability of said system or TS.

If your system or TS platform has computational flaws, taking said hit & run and reiterating the former method of 'nibbling small stakes'  from the casino, be it a hundred times or even putting it on an infinite curve, will with good certainty produce a loser on the long run.
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: Dane on March 31, 2016, 08:49:45 AM
If you have a winning system, then why must you hit and run?  Why wouldn't you want to stay and play for as long as possible?


Stress is known as "fight or flight".
Opposed to "Stay and Play" :)

The banks want you to transcend Time - or to forget Time.
No clock is in sight.
They really do want you to stay as long as possible.
You might be smitten by greed, fatique,  noise, lights etc.
Time is still essential.
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: rotaman on March 31, 2016, 08:50:36 AM
I too, agree with Real. Never saw the point of hit and run, and why have a win target? if you're winning keep at it until the tide turns.
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: rotaman on March 31, 2016, 08:55:21 AM
They really do want you to stay as long as possible.
You might be smitten by greed, fatique,  noise, lights etc.
Time is still essential.

Yes but as Thomas says, any advantage is purely psychological. Hitting and running can't affect the edge. An edge is an edge, and if you have it, you could play all day and night as long as fatigue and other factors don't mess up your discipline.
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: Trilobite on March 31, 2016, 09:13:48 AM
We don’t have an edge, we’re system players.
I think you can only create an edge by coupling a stable bet selection with a complex betting plan that only exposes your whole bankroll for brief periods, and only doing so after a lengthy winning stretch.
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: dobbelsteen on March 31, 2016, 10:10:56 AM
Real Scepticus does not claim  he wager a winning system His method has the charactor of a strategy.

Hit and run belongs to a strategy

 You still do not understand a strategy and a system.

I know the definition of the House Edge . The only edge of peaple is their mind and experience.
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: Reyth on March 31, 2016, 10:44:03 AM
We don’t have an edge, we’re system players.
I think you can only create an edge by coupling a stable bet selection with a complex betting plan that only exposes your whole bankroll for brief periods, and only doing so after a lengthy winning stretch.

(https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3239/2401182194_0b34d83f79.jpg)
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: rotaman on March 31, 2016, 11:02:59 AM
We don’t have an edge, we’re system players.
I think you can only create an edge by coupling a stable bet selection with a complex betting plan that only exposes your whole bankroll for brief periods, and only doing so after a lengthy winning stretch.

Yeah, confusing...

If you only expose your bankroll for brief periods how can you have a lengthy winning stretch?

Hit and run would work if you knew that during those brief periods you were going to win, but we can never know that.

Besides, hit and run sounds like far too exhausting a way to play.  ;D
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: scepticus on March 31, 2016, 07:38:14 PM

You guys tell us there is no difference  between Staying and Playing and Hit and Run.
 As Dobbelsteen has told you we use Hit and Run because , due to OUR experience we have found it more profitable than Staying and Playing.
You also tell us that if we stay then the longer we stay and play the more certain that we are to lose both our bankroll and any profits we have made .
By leaving a table when we have a profit that profit is then put away and not used again in that session . Clearly our  bankroll is not at the same risk as is those who Stay and Play. Also ,  our put-aside profits can  add up to more than  our initial bankroll  and even if the infamous long Run hits us we still have a profit while the bankroll of our Stay and Play friends is totally lost - including any profits made.

REALITY  beats  HYPOTHESES  !
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: Reyth on March 31, 2016, 08:13:18 PM
Oh OK, I get it.  replacing the bankroll with winnings?
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: Trilobite on March 31, 2016, 09:18:56 PM
Correct. Stay and play because hit and run is useless.

I stay and play in 3 stage rounds of up to 500 spins total. I expose a small portion of the bank roll for about 350-400 spins, then expose a bit more bankroll for about 100-180 spins, then expose the whole bankroll for about 20-40 spins.
If after the first 2 stages I have lost money then I do not proceed to stage 3 and expose the whole bankroll. I simply start again from stage 1.
Sometimes I will play only the first 2 stages for several or more sessions because I keep losing, but the moment my system is on a winning stretch and shows profit for the first 2 stages (about 450-480 spins) I will push on and play large for a relatively brief period to try and capitalize on the upward momentum.

Yes, sometimes I lose the whole bankroll in 20-40 spins too.

But this is all about creating an edge with a level selection (which is the best we can hope for) and making my bank work for me.
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: BlueAngel on March 31, 2016, 09:21:33 PM
If you have a winning system, then why must you hit and run?  Why wouldn't you want to stay and play for as long as possible?

On this I agree completely. Whether you have a winning system or a tracking software that does the same thing ,applying a strategy of 'hit & run' is more about psychology than the producing profitability of said system or TS.

If your system or TS platform has computational flaws, taking said hit & run and reiterating the former method of 'nibbling small stakes'  from the casino, be it a hundred times or even putting it on an infinite curve, will with good certainty produce a loser on the long run.

I agree, but didn't you suggest otherwise on your ''hexagon blog''??!
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: BlueAngel on March 31, 2016, 09:25:24 PM
If you have a winning system, then why must you hit and run?  Why wouldn't you want to stay and play for as long as possible?


Stress is known as "fight or flight".
Opposed to "Stay and Play" :)

The banks want you to transcend Time - or to forget Time.
No clock is in sight.
They really do want you to stay as long as possible.
You might be smitten by greed, fatique,  noise, lights etc.
Time is still essential.

Here is another popular fallacy from a gambler who suggests bets like ''Tic Tac Toe''!
OMG, what else are we going to see and hear?! :o
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: BlueAngel on March 31, 2016, 09:30:16 PM

You guys tell us there is no difference  between Staying and Playing and Hit and Run.
 As Dobbelsteen has told you we use Hit and Run because , due to OUR experience we have found it more profitable than Staying and Playing.
You also tell us that if we stay then the longer we stay and play the more certain that we are to lose both our bankroll and any profits we have made .
By leaving a table when we have a profit that profit is then put away and not used again in that session . Clearly our  bankroll is not at the same risk as is those who Stay and Play. Also ,  our put-aside profits can  add up to more than  our initial bankroll  and even if the infamous long Run hits us we still have a profit while the bankroll of our Stay and Play friends is totally lost - including any profits made.

REALITY  beats  HYPOTHESES  !

That's your version of ''reality'', not everyone's reality!
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: scepticus on March 31, 2016, 11:38:18 PM
Oh OK, I get it.  replacing the bankroll with winnings?
Replacing the bankroll after a loss but increasing the bankroll when winning- or spending some of it  when we think we have reached the optimal betting bank. I suppose what we do is take advantage of variance when it is in our favour.
Will critics of Hit and Run please explain  their reasoning for their  objections rather than just say that it doesn't work or that it is due to psychology. I think I have explained MY view so why can't you guys explain YOUR view .
I think mine is a reasonable explanation.
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: scepticus on March 31, 2016, 11:45:25 PM
Correct. Stay and play because hit and run is useless.

I stay and play in 3 stage rounds of up to 500 spins total. I expose a small portion of the bank roll for about 350-400 spins, then expose a bit more bankroll for about 100-180 spins, then expose the whole bankroll for about 20-40 spins.
If after the first 2 stages I have lost money then I do not proceed to stage 3 and expose the whole bankroll. I simply start again from stage 1.
Sometimes I will play only the first 2 stages for several or more sessions because I keep losing, but the moment my system is on a winning stretch and shows profit for the first 2 stages (about 450-480 spins) I will push on and play large for a relatively brief period to try and capitalize on the upward momentum.

Yes, sometimes I lose the whole bankroll in 20-40 spins too.

But this is all about creating an edge with a level selection (which is the best we can hope for) and making my bank work for me.

Trilo
Can you explain your method in more detail.
What is your total bankroll for this ?
How much of it for your bankroll do  you use for your first stage ?
How many spins do you actually bet in your 500 spins ?
500 spins takes about 5x 3hours = 15 hours in a Bricks and Mortar ( B&M) casino .Do you really bet for all that time ?
What do you mean by level selection ?
Thanks
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: scepticus on March 31, 2016, 11:48:26 PM

You guys tell us there is no difference  between Staying and Playing and Hit and Run.
 As Dobbelsteen has told you we use Hit and Run because , due to OUR experience we have found it more profitable than Staying and Playing.
You also tell us that if we stay then the longer we stay and play the more certain that we are to lose both our bankroll and any profits we have made .
By leaving a table when we have a profit that profit is then put away and not used again in that session . Clearly our  bankroll is not at the same risk as is those who Stay and Play. Also ,  our put-aside profits can  add up to more than  our initial bankroll  and even if the infamous long Run hits us we still have a profit while the bankroll of our Stay and Play friends is totally lost - including any profits made.

REALITY  beats  HYPOTHESES  !

That's your version of ''reality'', not everyone's reality!

Well BA I did say that it was MY reality . MY reality is profitable  so I guess you mean that not everyone's reality is not profitable .
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: BlueAngel on April 01, 2016, 12:44:23 AM


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1.) Prevent your opponent(the bank)  from making you play his game, the style of play he prefers.

2.) Prevent yourself from playing his game.

3.) Prevent him from preventing your making him play your game.

4.) Make him play your game.

You are repeating 4 times the same thing in different words, that's not so clever.

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So how do we prevent the bank from making us play his game?

If casinos wanted their clients to bet in specific way or to prevent them betting in a particular way, there would be already such rule in place.
Or do you mean to bet opposite from what's happening?
Why don't you say casino instead of bank?
We are not talking about the bank of America neither a bank of a river.

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Does that mean we use a positive progression instead of a negative progression because a negative progression chases our previous losses and that is what the bank wants?

Who told you that? How did you arrive to that conclusion?
Did you discussed with a casino owner or a casino's staff and told you that we want gamblers to use negative progressions??
Are positive progressions better? Why?
Do you think that a win after a win is more possible than a win after a loss?
Do wins and loses occur in a specific order?

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Do we play the outside instead of the inside bets because the odds are much better for us on the outside and the inside benefits the house? 

Who told you that?
To win more times because you are betting ''outside'' sections doesn't make ýou winner, according your reasoning is even better to bet on 30 numbers with High and 1st dozen for example, but of course couldn't be farer from the truth.
It's the ratio between wins and loses in regards with the payout of your selection which could make you winner.

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These were some of the thoughts and ideas I was pondering this afternoon. I would be interested to hear your prospective on this.

Keep on thinking...!
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: BlueAngel on April 01, 2016, 12:57:29 AM

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Well BA I did say that it was MY reality . MY reality is profitable  so I guess you mean that not everyone's reality is not profitable .

Well, not all realities are the same, there are many realities living in ''parallel worlds'' and all of them are parts of one big, unified reality

What I understand is that every single individual across all forums around the web believes that gambling could be profitable with one way or the other (including illegal activities).
The arguments is the effect of different approaches, but if someone didn't believe that some form of gambling could be profitable then why to bother at all?!

Since you agree that we argue because of different approaches, how could anyone claim that every method is the same?!
Are all people the same? Is what they are doing the same?
Are their knowledge and experience the same?
Of course not, so how each and every single individual should expect the same results??!

Everyone can believe what he wants and be responsible for his doings, you can never blame someone on a forum and after you fail to meet expectations to use the excuse ''he told me to do so''!
He told you? So what?!
If I was telling you that you should wear your clothes inside out for good luck, should you've listened me??
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: scepticus on April 01, 2016, 01:41:26 AM

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Well BA I did say that it was MY reality . MY reality is profitable  so I guess you mean that not everyone's reality is not profitable .

Well, not all realities are the same, there are many realities living in ''parallel worlds'' and all of them are parts of one big, unified reality

What I understand is that every single individual across all forums around the web believes that gambling could be profitable with one way or the other (including illegal activities).
The arguments is the effect of different approaches, but if someone didn't believe that some form of gambling could be profitable then why to bother at all?!

Since you agree that we argue because of different approaches, how could anyone claim that every method is the same?!
Are all people the same? Is what they are doing the same?
Are their knowledge and experience the same?
Of course not, so how each and every single individual should expect the same results??!

Everyone can believe what he wants and be responsible for his doings, you can never blame someone on a forum and after you fail to meet expectations to use the excuse ''he told me to do so''!
He told you? So what?!
If I was telling you that you should wear your clothes inside out for good luck, should you've listened me??

you seem to be unaware that my " Reality beats Hypotheses " remark was in answer to various  members- including yourself - that claimed that our Hit and Run was nonsense and now you say that everyone can claim what he wants .
So why did you agree that Hit and Run was psychological and without merit ?
If you think that everyone is entitled to his opinion why do you criticise others  when they express their opinion ?
If Hit and Run doesn''t work why  do those of us who use it profit from it ?
That it works IS the Reality !
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: BlueAngel on April 01, 2016, 02:09:44 AM
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you seem to be unaware that my " Reality beats Hypotheses "

According to whom?

Should we receive your words as the reality?

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So why did you agree that Hit and Run was psychological and without merit ?

Because this is what I believe or should I say want you want to hear?

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If you think that everyone is entitled to his opinion why do you criticise others  when they express their opinion ?

Now look who's talking!

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If Hit and Run doesn''t work why  do those of us who use it profit from it ?

Every time I'm going at the casino I'm witnessing individuals who win, does it mean that they posses a super hit n run strategy?

Does every time someone wins mean that he's using a winning method?

I think not, hit & run is the thieves mentality, good luck with that because you'll need it!
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: rotaman on April 01, 2016, 09:43:50 AM
By leaving a table when we have a profit that profit is then put away and not used again in that session . Clearly our  bankroll is not at the same risk as is those who Stay and Play. Also ,  our put-aside profits can  add up to more than  our initial bankroll  and even if the infamous long Run hits us we still have a profit while the bankroll of our Stay and Play friends is totally lost - including any profits made.

REALITY  beats  HYPOTHESES  !

What difference does it make whether you leave after making 1 unit profit or 10 units? If you hit and run after 1 unit profit it takes you 10 sessions to make as much as the guy who has a target of 10 units. What you say sounds reasonable but if you actually think about it carefully you will see there's no advantage. All the hit and run guy is doing is just splitting up his playing time into shorter sessions. And like I said in the other post, only if you can predict the future will hit and run be of any benefit. If you are counting cards at blackjack hit and run would actually work because you would only start betting when the count was advantageous and stop when it wasn't, but the situation in roulette is quite different.
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: ernroo1 on April 01, 2016, 10:02:41 AM
Hit and run? Seriously is that the best this forum can do? I dont think so.
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: scepticus on April 01, 2016, 10:36:22 AM
oh ! Guys ! Come on ! Come on !
I explained  why I play Hit and Run but that is allied to my Bet  Selection so I am  not  using Hit and Run by itself as you guys seem to think and it is not based on psychology LOL . Small profits add up so don't sneer at them  .
ALL of us play in THE SHORT TERM so, yes, we play shorter terms than you but you also have to choose WHAT to bet- and when , don't you ? What we are saying is that we PROFIT with what we do so just what is your criticism worth when compared to our profit ?   
Our profit is the REALITY !
Your criticism is the HYPOTHESIS  based on your misunderstanding of Hit and Run .

Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: Reyth on April 01, 2016, 11:32:19 AM
Correct. Stay and play because hit and run is useless.

I stay and play in 3 stage rounds of up to 500 spins total. I expose a small portion of the bank roll for about 350-400 spins, then expose a bit more bankroll for about 100-180 spins, then expose the whole bankroll for about 20-40 spins.
If after the first 2 stages I have lost money then I do not proceed to stage 3 and expose the whole bankroll. I simply start again from stage 1.
Sometimes I will play only the first 2 stages for several or more sessions because I keep losing, but the moment my system is on a winning stretch and shows profit for the first 2 stages (about 450-480 spins) I will push on and play large for a relatively brief period to try and capitalize on the upward momentum.

Yes, sometimes I lose the whole bankroll in 20-40 spins too.

But this is all about creating an edge with a level selection (which is the best we can hope for) and making my bank work for me.

Ya kind of like a Paroli approach...
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: rotaman on April 01, 2016, 11:42:44 AM
oh ! Guys ! Come on ! Come on !
I explained  why I play Hit and Run but that is allied to my Bet  Selection so I am  not  using Hit and Run by itself as you guys seem to think and it is not based on psychology LOL . Small profits add up so don't sneer at them  .
ALL of us play in THE SHORT TERM so, yes, we play shorter terms than you but you also have to choose WHAT to bet- and when , don't you ? What we are saying is that we PROFIT with what we do so just what is your criticism worth when compared to our profit ?   
Our profit is the REALITY !
Your criticism is the HYPOTHESIS  based on your misunderstanding of Hit and Run .

scepticus anyone can make a claim that they profit but it doesn't really count for much by itself. There are already some doing that on this forum and it just leads to petty and pointless bickering.  Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by hit and run but let me put this question to you-

If two players are using the exact same system is it your contention that the one using hit and run will do better than the one who isn't?

If your position is that hit and run is kind of built into the system itself then I'll agree with you, but that's not what I understand by hit and run. When most players talk about hit and run they mean just a kind of add-on to any system, which, according to them, gives them better results than if they stay at the tables for longer, regardless of the system they're using.
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: Trilobite on April 01, 2016, 12:18:11 PM

 Trilo

 Can you explain your method in more detail.

I bet on dozens, and I use a 9 step up as you lose progression.

What is your total bankroll for this ?

10 session bankrolls of 66 units being a lifetime bankroll of 660 units.


How much of it for your bankroll do  you use for your first stage ?


First stage is 3 rounds each stopping with a 38 unit win target or 28 unit loss. Here I could theoretically win 114 units or lose 84 units.
Second stage is 2 rounds each stopping with a 23 unit win target or a 43 unit loss. Here I could theoretically win 46 units or lose 86 units.
Third stage is 1 round stopping with a 14 unit win target or a 66 unit loss. Here I could theoretically win 14 units or lose 66 units.


How many spins do you actually bet in your 500 spins ?


Bets are placed on about 75% of total spins.

500 spins takes about 5x 3hours = 15 hours in a Bricks and Mortar ( B&M) casino .Do you really bet for all that time ?

My method suits the personal permanence principle, so sessions can be carried forward and completed whenever convenient.


What do you mean by level selection ?


As stated I play the dozens, so for this a level selection is one that wins 12/37 attempts in the long run taking into account all the volatility and variance one can expect from a 12/37 scenario.

   
Thanks

You’re welcome.
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: scepticus on April 01, 2016, 01:11:50 PM
oh ! Guys ! Come on ! Come on !
I explained  why I play Hit and Run but that is allied to my Bet  Selection so I am  not  using Hit and Run by itself as you guys seem to think and it is not based on psychology LOL . Small profits add up so don't sneer at them  .
ALL of us play in THE SHORT TERM so, yes, we play shorter terms than you but you also have to choose WHAT to bet- and when , don't you ? What we are saying is that we PROFIT with what we do so just what is your criticism worth when compared to our profit ?   
Our profit is the REALITY !
Your criticism is the HYPOTHESIS  based on your misunderstanding of Hit and Run .

scepticus anyone can make a claim that they profit but it doesn't really count for much by itself. There are already some doing that on this forum and it just leads to petty and pointless bickering.  Maybe I'm misunderstanding what you mean by hit and run but let me put this question to you-

If two players are using the exact same system is it your contention that the one using hit and run will do better than the one who isn't?

If your position is that hit and run is kind of built into the system itself then I'll agree with you, but that's not what I understand by hit and run. When most players talk about hit and run they mean just a kind of add-on to any system, which, according to them, gives them better results than if they stay at the tables for longer, regardless of the system they're using.

What I am doing here , rotaman, is trying to counter the argument that  Hit and Run does not work.  Sneering at Hit and Run that it is psychobabble or " the best you can do" cuts no ice with me. I don't know what you mean by Hit and Run being " built into the system itself " means so can you explain further ?
Do I think that Hit and Run is superior to Stay and Play using the same system ? Yes . I do. Assuming that  the Stay and Play Bettor is prepared to bet at only one table until his session ends . In the event of the dreaded Long Run occurring  the Stay and Play player has lost all his bankroll and accrued profits while the Hit and Run player still has his profits won from previous tables . Small profits really do add up .
Title: Re: How to Get The Bank to Play Your Game
Post by: scepticus on April 01, 2016, 01:33:00 PM

 Trilo

 Can you explain your method in more detail.

I bet on dozens, and I use a 9 step up as you lose progression.

What is your total bankroll for this ?

10 session bankrolls of 66 units being a lifetime bankroll of 660 units.


How much of it for your bankroll do  you use for your first stage ?


First stage is 3 rounds each stopping with a 38 unit win target or 28 unit loss. Here I could theoretically win 114 units or lose 84 units.
Second stage is 2 rounds each stopping with a 23 unit win target or a 43 unit loss. Here I could theoretically win 46 units or lose 86 units.
Third stage is 1 round stopping with a 14 unit win target or a 66 unit loss. Here I could theoretically win 14 units or lose 66 units.


How many spins do you actually bet in your 500 spins ?


Bets are placed on about 75% of total spins.

500 spins takes about 5x 3hours = 15 hours in a Bricks and Mortar ( B&M) casino .Do you really bet for all that time ?

My method suits the personal permanence principle, so sessions can be carried forward and completed whenever convenient.


What do you mean by level selection ?


As stated I play the dozens, so for this a level selection is one that wins 12/37 attempts in the long run taking into account all the volatility and variance one can expect from a 12/37 scenario.
   
Thanks

You’re welcome.

Thanks for that detailed explanation Trilo.
Your betting  not confined to one visit  is surprising since most of us talk about our " session" being one visit.
I am a bit puzzled about your 10 sessions each of 66 units when you talk about 3 rounds of possible 28  loss and 2 rounds with possible 43 unit loss and Third round with a possible 66 unit loss.
Do you mean a total loss of 66 units over the 6 rounds ? The first losing 28 units , the second losing 15 units and the third losing 23 units ?
If so what do you mean by a" round "- 37 perhaps  ? And how many bets within your round and the values of your progression?
I am intrigued.