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Title: winning system anyone?
Post by: scepticus on June 27, 2019, 05:14:13 PM
Bebediktus
Laurance Scott teaches VB butI don't I think he  actually plays now but  claims  that he had been a Roulette Professional. .
Pawlicki was a student of Laurance Scott  .You have his book so must know that he claimed to be  a knowleledgeable AP / VB player. You will  know that  Scoblette says that Pawlicki only bets whenhe has a"  Mathematical Edge " or a " Physical Edge " .
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: palestis on June 27, 2019, 11:35:55 PM
Mr Perfect
Palestis said some time ago that he would not reveal a truly profitable method . I agreed then - and still do for what I think are obvius reasons.
Scep
I don't think I ever said that.
I think I mentioned the opposite.
If I had a 100% winning system I wouldn't mind sharing it in here.
The chances of a few of us being at the same casino playing the same system at the same time  (thus raising pit bosses eyebrows), are remote to say the least.  (LoL).
Right now my biggest problem is that the new casino I was waiting to open (which opened last Sunday), has unbelievable minimums.
After 2pm all the roulettes have $50 minimum, and only 2 roulettes  $25 minimum.
Before 2 pm only one roulette open with $25 min. and crowded as expected being only one.
That requires a system in itself in dealing with such high minimums.
If one can afford a high BR fine. But these are minimums for high stakes private rooms.
Not for the general playing public.
And we are talking about the HE being the enemy. Running out of money is the most likely enemy, because it wipes you out much sooner than the HE.

Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: scepticus on June 28, 2019, 03:48:25 AM
Hi Palestis
I seem to remember you saying that some time  ago. Away back when you lived in Europe and Reyth and Harry J were here .
The main reason for not sharing is that some Shark is going to sell it to unsuspecting Bettors.

Reminds me of the Old Joke. Someone asks a guy to share  with him his winning system .
The guy replies " Can you keep a secret ?
 Answerr " Yes "

The guy replies "So can I   ! " 
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: kav on June 28, 2019, 05:34:20 AM
Palestis, this is a real bummer!

Like I have said many times. Even if a consistently winning system was posted, very few would really take advantage of it. Most would read it and then wait for a new system to read (system junkies). Others would test it for billions of spins and find that it doesn't perform in the long run. Others would use it with changes to "suit their play-style" and make it ineffective. Others wouldn't be interested or complain because it is slow/high bankroll etc. Very few would have the faith and determination to use it as it should and actually make money. So the "I won't share my winning system" attitude is pointless IMO. In fact I believe, the notion of a winning system is a bit off. It may be more correct/pragmatic if we said "this is how I win" instead of "my winning system".
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: thomasleor on June 28, 2019, 06:11:17 AM
Best thing you´ve written in a long time, Kav. Really well put.

Thank you, and be aware that I might even take the liberty to quote you some time in the future, not only here, but also on my own forum when writing about this inflationary "diversity" of opinions and approaches preventing the complete implementation of an available well defined system, or platform, for online. or landbased casino play. ;)
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Bebediktus on June 28, 2019, 07:35:09 AM
Bebediktus
Laurance Scott teaches VB butI don't I think he  actually plays now but  claims  that he had been a Roulette Professional. .
Pawlicki was a student of Laurance Scott ....
Larry not teach, he simply had forum some years back and talked in forums. He wrote books, but with them is other storry, not sure if  good in forum talk about that - most AP player understand what I say. That was simply bussines project and nothing more....not every can something learn from them...

But he till now play, and play not bad :) Or can say he know how to play right :)

Pawlicky not was  a student, he never had aim to win in play. he was simply interested slight in  all that, because he wanted to write book , again - as bussines project. he do several such he writed book about roulette about craps , maybe about something other...
And he played only to have feeling what is that play , but not as professional player...

So was interest to earn money from book, but not to become professional :)
You can talk with them if know where and they will say you the same .
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Joe on June 28, 2019, 07:52:20 AM
Like I have said many times. Even if a consistently winning system was posted, very few would really take advantage of it. Most would read it and then wait for a new system to read (system junkies). Others would test it for billions of spins and find that it doesn't perform in the long run. Others would use it with changes to "suit their play-style" and make it ineffective. Others wouldn't be interested or complain because it is slow/high bankroll etc. Very few would have the faith and determination to use it as it should and actually make money. So the "I won't share my winning system" attitude is pointless IMO. In fact I believe, the notion of a winning system is a bit off. It may be more correct/pragmatic if we said "this is how I win" instead of "my winning system".

Kav, I must disagree with you here. I think people switch from system to system and endlessly create them because they haven't yet found one which does work consistently. That's the simplest explanation. I know that if I found one which did pass a test of millions of spins, I would probably find another hobby.  ;)

By the way, isn't it a contradiction to say that a system is a consistent winner and in the next sentence say that it doesn't perform in the long run? Surely the ability to perform in the long run is the major (in fact, only) factor which makes a system a consistent winner.

The very fact that there are roulette forums full of members busily creating and testing systems is surely evidence that no genuine winners exist. Even those who claim to win seem to hang around the forums year after year; but what for? And I'm suspicious of these folk; although undoubtedly some of them have gambling problems.
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Joe on June 28, 2019, 07:58:46 AM
Right now my biggest problem is that the new casino I was waiting to open (which opened last Sunday), has unbelievable minimums.
After 2pm all the roulettes have $50 minimum, and only 2 roulettes  $25 minimum.
That is indeed a bummer. Can't you play online? Or isn't it allowed where you are?
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: dobbelsteen on June 28, 2019, 09:04:29 AM
Joe you write about consistent winning system. The word system is used in different contexts. In theory winning systems does not exist. A system has fixed rules. The DTOP is the area where every system change in a permanent loss. Experience players play strategies. It is possible to make small profits. A positive result of 1 a 2% is possible. A strategy or  a system is not profitable but the experience player is.

The performance of SSB is till now not beaten. In spite of this SSB is not a HG
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: palestis on June 28, 2019, 09:24:57 AM
That is indeed a bummer. Can't you play online? Or isn't it allowed where you are?
No it's not allowed to play online here except if you reside in a certain state.. Maybe some online RNG wheel is allowed if you look hard enough. But that's not a solution.
The point is even with $25 min. bet (that means $25 total bet as opposed to $25 min. per chip in some European casinos), you still need well over $3,000 BR.
Also having most roulettes being at $50 min., you have to spend more time waiting by one or 2 tables
to find a trigger at one or two $25 tables. The funny thing is that most $50 tables are almost empty or with only one or two players playing. So it might change in the future. (unless they want to push people towards the slot machines where the biggest casino profits are.)
It will take some psychological preparation to get used to the high roller type of tables.
The rewards are bigger but also the risks are bigger.
PS: They do have 2 airball machines with $5 min, and also one live dealer roulette where you bet electronically from nearby stations, also $5 min.
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: scepticus on June 28, 2019, 09:40:17 AM
Bebediktus
Frank Scoblette was the main source of my info about Scott and  Pawlicki. So go and argue with him.

In addition , I read some time ago that   Scot CLAIMED  to have travelled  the world as a Roulette Professional but gave it up because the expenses were too great .  Why don't you get in  touch with him and post his reply here ?
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: scepticus on June 28, 2019, 09:53:16 AM
kav
The opposite attitude that " I will share my winning system " is also pointless for the same reasons you gave . It IS a matter of opinion and not the  " Given " you claim.
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Bebediktus on June 28, 2019, 10:14:47 AM
Bebediktus
Frank Scoblette was the main source of my info about Scott and  Pawlicki. So go and argue with him.

Mine source are direct from these peoples, only that talks was 5 years back. Scoblette is writer . Does you not understand that writer can  gave you not real picture of all ? And that is natural, he needs to sell his books !!
If I will write book I will do similar so no object for arguing ...
I read some time ago that   Scot CLAIMED  to have travelled  the world as a Roulette Professional but gave it up because the expenses were too great .  Why don't you get in  touch with him and post his reply here ?
He traveled and travel till now and expences are of course very big. I that know himself because that is main why I cant live  better. Why to ask him what is natural and clear ? These expences change house edge from 2.7 to maybe 7-8 % not so easy to beat such edge. We cant play 100$-200$ per number  what will change all and not because we not have enough bancroll !!! Bancroll is second -  , simply in such case you will be too visible for casino !!
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: scepticus on June 28, 2019, 04:59:13 PM
Bebediktus.

1 )  No true Professional Gambler would spend his Bankroll. That is the  “tools of his trade “ .That casts doubt  that he ever was a Roulette Professional .

2 ) Scoblette says Scott told him  one thing . You say Scott told you something entirely different . Why should we believe  you rather than Scoblette. He has a professional reputation to uphold. 

3 } Pawlicki says Scott was his mentor . Are you saying he lied ?

4 ) All you Ap /  VB  guys seem to be doing is searching for a biased wheel  . Why do you need to travel so much to find one ?
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Bebediktus on June 29, 2019, 06:21:32 AM
Scepticus , you himself understand what you want to say and aim of all arguing ? For me that is not clear...
1. You think that Larry absolutelly not know how to play roulette ? If yes then you are absolutelly wrong :)

2. What is difference to who believe ? Are simply logic how player behave, if some say something what is not logical, that he do usually with some aim and for peoples who understand matter - all is clear.
If for you that is not clear maybe only because you are not enough strong in that...

3. Mentor , I think is not teacher, maybe more - consultant, adviser...yes.

4. It only you who think that much :)  I will say you big secret  - yes mostly AP players talk, that  is super hard to find where to play...but you never thought why we so talk ? If for us that is good , that others think this way or bad :) ?I can say you one thing - from all your posts is clear that you not believe , or you are forced not believe, by some others :) . In forums are many , who do job :) .

But many who understand that no matter what you talk say Scott how he played - the same he play - your talk here not have any influence to his play, the same not have influence to my and others play.

Maybe even have opposite, than you expect effect even on new players...and with  such your talks without logic - you simply can push them to look for  true... this way all your job is worthless :)
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: scepticus on June 29, 2019, 01:54:52 PM
Bebediktus

1 ) I never said that Scott did not know how to play roulette . Even I know how to play roulette !

2 )  You produce no evidence that what Scoblette said was wrong .

3 ) A Mentor does teach .

4 ) I agree that Ap /VB players “ mostly talk “ and
 They” find it super hard to find  where to play “

 Of course what I say won’t stop others from playing the way they want to play. I have often said that long progressions is not the way to go but it has zero effect on those who play that way !

You still don’t understand why I ridicule about  AP / VB . You guys continually ridicule Method players by saying that AP / VB is THE ONLY WAY - THE TRUE WAY .

Until you guys have the balls to prove your claims at a REAL table in a  REAL casino with your own money I will not believe your claims.

The Heading of this thread is “ Winning System Anyone “ . You produce nothing but words .
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Bebediktus on June 30, 2019, 09:19:36 PM
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You guys continually ridicule Method players by saying that AP / VB is THE ONLY WAY - THE TRUE WAY .
Yes i think this and will think till somebody will not show me something other :)
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Until you guys have the balls to prove your claims at a REAL table in a  REAL casino with your own money I will not believe your claims.
I think nobody worry you believe or not ....
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The Heading of this thread is “ Winning System Anyone “ . You produce nothing but words .
And  you ??? ????
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: scepticus on June 30, 2019, 10:02:57 PM
bebediktus
  I have showed such a way  . Use the Nine Block idea .  Juggle  the numbers .

  If you do not worry then why do you reply.?
All  you have proved so far is that you are looking for a biased wheel  but not other proof .

Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: MickyP on June 30, 2019, 11:59:38 PM
Septic, what did you prove with your lego blocks????? NOTHING.

You lick butt to try and get people to play with your blocks and a few do try now and then but they fail in the same way you have continued failing all this time. Fake guarantee BS

AP/VB is not just about biased wheels. Study the approach before you comment.
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Bebediktus on July 01, 2019, 05:27:17 AM
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If you do not worry then why do you reply.?
I reply not because I worry you believe or not, but because you write what you not know.

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All  you have proved so far is that you are looking for a biased wheel  but not other proof .
I nothing here try to proove.
 And at all VB and all AP is not what need to proove. For one - better is drive car , for other fly with plane, for third walk step by step...
You want walk - good, but not say, that fly is worse...especially when you never flyied...
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: scepticus on July 01, 2019, 10:04:34 AM
Bebe
If I don't know what I say here you need to prove that Pawlicki ,Thorp  and Scoblette are wrong .

Over to you .
Incidentally, I did not START this thread .
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Bebediktus on July 01, 2019, 11:07:56 AM
In what they are wrong ???
You understand himself what is your aim what you want to reach ? Looks that for you important only be against...

Now you simply talk - AP is not possible , but what is that AP - you not know.

How can be bad meter with which we measure  how long something is ?

All AP is comparing history with reality. What was in past - something similar must be in future, because all forces and all situations are the same or similar !!!

If apple fall down when Newton lived - the same  it must do nowdays ! Because no any significiant changes. And if are some changes - for that is players skill - to notice them and know how to react !!
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: scepticus on July 01, 2019, 01:03:08 PM
If  Pawlicki is right in telling what VB is - and I understand what he  says - why do you say I don't understand ?
So, to prove that I am wrong you must prove Pawlicki wrong or that I don't understand Pawlicki.  This you fail to do .
 I don't think I said that AP was not possible but that you need a computer to play it ...and you  don't use a computer . As you don't play AP no need to explain it here - thoughI could .

Amusing that you object to criticisism  of VB  yet continue to criticise Method players .
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Jesper on July 01, 2019, 08:03:00 PM
There is now "Winnig!" system!  You can win  a lot. It is up to luck. There are system can help you for a while and if it suits the wheel at the moment, you can win, you can win much. No system win på it self.  I have got from 500 tp 50000 using system, but all goes to luck.
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Bebediktus on July 01, 2019, 08:42:47 PM
If  Pawlicki is right in telling what VB is - and I understand what he  says - why do you say I don't understand ?
So, to prove that I am wrong you must prove Pawlicki wrong or that I don't understand Pawlicki.  This you fail to do .
I not understand why here is that Pawlicky ? As I can decide acordingly what you here write - you simply not understand what is AP. And Pavlicki here nothing will help to you...

Several persons from forums saw me in play . I met many ( maybe 10 ) persons from forums in looking for some good players, but i not found what i looked...
If I will think that you are real player and if i will believe that you can play good, I very easy will invite you to play in the same casino and to discuss direct in place.

Problem is that I not think that you are real player. You are too against advanced methods :) . No logic to be player and fight against that. That do only casino peoples.. :)

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yet continue to criticise Method players .
Copy paste mine critick , I want to read :)
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: scepticus on July 02, 2019, 03:58:19 AM
To put it simply. bebediktus  - Do you agree with the way Pawlicki describes how to play VB ?
AP means Advantage Play  and refers to  wheelwatchers  who  use a computer .

VB players are wheelwatchers who do not use a computer .

Are you prepared to put your money where your mouth is when you  claim  that  I am not a real player ?
Copy Paste ?
Yes i think this and will think till somebody will not show me something other
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Bebediktus on July 02, 2019, 05:43:56 AM
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To put it simply. bebediktus  - Do you agree with the way Pawlicki describes how to play VB ?
Pawlicki wrote his book maybe 20 years back. In the book, all described very pure...I play other, so agree, not agree is not that question. Here is similar like to ask who played better in chess - Lasker 100 years back or Karlsen now? Of course, Karlsen plays better and significant. So how I can agree with what was 20 years back? Life goes in front not stay...
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AP means Advantage Play  and refers to  wheelwatchers  who  use a computer .
Ap means any play where a player creates an advantage, no matter how he plays and what he use...
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VB players are wheelwatchers who do not use a computer .
I said no matter how who play and what use - important play with advantage or without. Nobody use only VB - all use all complex...
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Are you prepared to put your money where your mouth is when you  claim  that  I am not a real player ?
Of course I not sure in 100% but i decide because your talk is super not logical. Player want to win, so he wants knowledge. You want attack methods which create an advantage. Understand that any player which earn from the play will attack methods which can give him benefit?
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Yes i think this and will think till somebody will not show me something other
So point me where is critic? Till now i not saw any player who will win without creating advantage and not imagine how that to do. But with creating advantage - saw...
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: scepticus on July 02, 2019, 10:38:34 AM
1 )  The basics of  wheelwatching  are still the same as in Pawlicki's day.
2 / 3 )  Yes . Advantage Play  ( AP  )  means the player has created  an Edge  but , in Roulette,   AP refers ONLY to   wheelwatchers who use a computer .  Glad to see that you agree that a Method player can create an advanthage !VB players here have said ONLY that they use VB and not a mixture . Good Luck wilth your Mixture .

4 ) So you backtrack on your slur ?
5 ) THAT is a criticism . You  are  claiming  that because you have seen no evidence then no Merhod is valuable . Not a logical conclusion .. 
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Bebediktus on July 02, 2019, 11:21:25 AM
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The basics of  wheelwatching  are still the same as in Pawlicki's day.
Not say such because that is not true . The goat have four legs and horns, the same like deer, so what they are the same animals   :) ?
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AP refers ONLY to   wheelwatchers who use a computer
I think nowdays - all peoples use computers :), or you mean that computer play instead human ?
I doubt if you good understand what do computer for advantage player...
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THAT is a criticism . You  are  claiming  that because you have seen no evidence then no Merhod is valuable . Not a logical conclusion .. 
For me without difference in which way I got advantage. I have methodic which very exact detect, if play is with advantage or without, every can test  play acordingly that methodic and  and all will be clear.
very easy is to test and your play and calculate how big is your edge , if it is
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Third on July 02, 2019, 01:36:22 PM
Talos says that his system will win no matter which of the available bet selections he chooses to play; i.e. he plays each possible selection with the same spin sequence and wins all of them.  This is the goal that we must all strive toward; we should craft our system with this goal in mind.  We must be able to handle the worst in order to succeed long term.  The worst selection is not our biggest problem!  Our biggest problem is getting in our own way, forcing roulette to give us results that are worse than the worst!
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: scepticus on July 02, 2019, 02:26:08 PM
 "very easy is to test and your play and calculate how big is your edge , if it is "  I already have posted it bebeb- and solaris confirmed it by actually testing it .   
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: scepticus on July 02, 2019, 02:35:23 PM
Dr Talos thinks there is no need for Bet Selection. I do not agree . If you don't have the winning number in your selection then you lose . Simple .
Relying on only differential  odds is high risk .  Isn't Dr Talos' method just a parachute method ?
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: DrTalos on July 02, 2019, 02:38:26 PM
I show you a couple of example, so you can get ideas out of it, Third.
  Yesterday I had a very long game, exactly 114 spins. My worst moment was around spin 86/87, when I had an outstanding balance of -172. They way I designed my sistem now will allow me to reach 500 units as max exposure, but was the first time that crossed 100 pieces. (To be honest, the new version is just a few months old, so statistically is still a new land to discover). I keep always three times more bank that the max exposure faced (so from now on is 550).
  The game ended with a positive 12 pieces, for almost two hours of play. Doesn't seems much, but at the end of the night my total win was 126 pieces.

Second thing. I faced a problem with a table. They closed down in my face. I was the only player, with 25$ chips. They gave me a 2 spins warning and they closed. They thought that could have been an hard hit on me. I was a little over -30, and they were smiling...
  I moved to the next table, like nothing has happen. I continued my game and I end the game in 12 spins, gaining 9 units. The first table was still counting chips for closing. I knew they were looking at me. I walked there, I left a chip as tip to the dealer, smiling.
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Third on July 02, 2019, 03:06:14 PM
Funny, I did get an idea from it.  It made me think you are playing something like EC+X, where the EC (High/Low) will pay a very small amount but the main selection (DZ/DS(s)) will pay your target; the concept being that this would somehow keep expenses low :shrug:
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Frequency on July 03, 2019, 12:48:18 AM
How many games approximately have you have been playing without reaching 100- units exposure? I assume that is now a very rare event after you redesigned your system or maybe you have not played a lot lately.
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: DrTalos on July 03, 2019, 01:54:28 AM
I usually play around3/4 days a week, ten to twelve hours (with frequent stops). Most of games ends in first spins, getting me from 1 to 3 pieces profit. One out of ten games goes to spin 5 (what I call the recovery mode). Usually that last less than 40 spins.
  I play 200/250 games a day, and my profit is 160 to 200 units.
  In the last 4 months I played roughly 10000 games, probably 22/23 thousand spins. Let's say 400 spins a day, 2000/2400 spins a week... yeah seems about right. When I changed I started with airball, 5$ units. Then I moved to 10 and after to 25$. Moved to table because it is to much for some airball machines. If can halp, I did notice that in the real wheel games are a little shorter, but this can be a false perception.

  I think is tested enough. And consider that is not completely new. I made it a little more aggressive because for years I never used the full progression, not even close, so I tried to get more advantage on short games. The only down side is that sometimes I play for an hour just to get 1 unit. There was a point when I was just chasing safety, now I chase money...

I keep my playing costant over years. I consider it a job, and act accordingly. I will retire at 57/58, I presume. That will bring me to play occasionaly after that (I am 50 now). Hope this clarifies it to you.

Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Third on July 03, 2019, 02:15:07 AM
Your advice has been of very great value to me; even without your secret, your principles are the very keys to win.  I feel very fortunate to have "met" you.  Thank you very much.  :'(
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: leowls on July 03, 2019, 03:46:34 AM
Drtalos aren't u afraid your system will be exposed by playing at a real table?
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Third on July 03, 2019, 04:14:31 AM
(he has had someone who viewed his system in person and offered to pay him a large sum to teach it to him -- Talos declined)
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Greek on July 03, 2019, 05:21:32 AM
To me a winning system is simple, requires only 12 spins, 8 spins to determine what to play, and only 1 to 4 spins to win. If a player can achieve that, they have a winning system.
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Third on July 03, 2019, 05:55:41 AM
Except when you lose.
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Greek on July 03, 2019, 06:20:02 AM
Except when you lose.
Let me qualify that.

To me a winning system is simple, requires only 12 spins, 8 spins to determine what to play, and only 1 to 4 spins to win. If a player can achieve that, they have a winning system.

What constitutes a winning system? Playing the above will win 8 out of 10 sessions. Yes, there is a possibility it may not hit, losing 2 out of 10 attempts makes it a winning system.
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: DrTalos on July 03, 2019, 10:50:01 AM
Third, you and few others are the reason why I am here, why I started posting years ago. I was tired of sellers, scammers and Naysayers. I wished everybody could try to reach the impossible, and some believed that and succeeded. This is my joy, my way to give back.
[/size]  I provide advices, directions or just encouragement to find your own way.
[/size]  There are always new players searching for their road, and I am here for them.
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[/size]Leowls, my system is not in the numbers I play, but in the way I manage the recovery. You can sure get the first spins, and win most of the time, but how to recover when it does not happen, that is all in my mind. I do my math in my mind, all of it, and because I don't have a bet selection, nobody can get it. I travel a lot, so I visit the same casino 2/3 times a year, no more. I am sure they know me, but there is nothng they can do now to stop me. I am more concerned about thieves and gold diggers, but I have my countermeasures for them too.
[/size]  I have grown ambitious recently, and I set a goal. Look forward to reach it.
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Third on July 03, 2019, 11:54:50 AM
What constitutes a winning system? Playing the above will win 8 out of 10 sessions. Yes, there is a possibility it may not hit, losing 2 out of 10 attempts makes it a winning system.

I have a system that wins 8 out of 10 times and 20% is a very large gap that can produce tremendous successive loss sequences; sure most of the time I win straight out but if we go to the well many times daily, we will see these losing streaks regularly.

So there is more...

EDIT: I will say though, that an 80% win rate will produce a pattern that can be exploited to survive and recover from even the worst sequence.
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: MickyP on July 03, 2019, 01:59:38 PM
An 80% win rate is realistic in roulette especially when you play the wheel.

DrTalos, I do agree with the way you approach roulette. Your words have assisted me in developing new methods of play. Although your bet selection is random I have focused on the wheel. I have found that a random bet selection (target area) misfires too often and does not give me the constant 80% plus win rate I work towards. Playing the wheel means a bigger bankroll but with the consistent gains I find safety in my play style.

In spite of the fact that the methods I use have been extensively tested, I continue testing them according to parameters I have set myself. A test I recently conducted had me reach my monthly win goal in 8 days instead of 20. This is pretty much the norm for me. I have managed to control my play and not leave it up to random to decide.
You continue to inspire me and I suppose other players as well. Thank you.

Greek, It is not an easy task trying to explain to others that an 80% win rate will be successful. How many players actually manage their play? I know you do and DrTalos does as well. How many players will be happy winning one unit after an hour of play? Not many at all; most will fold and get reckless. People on the forum should take you more seriously.
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Third on July 04, 2019, 12:41:29 AM
Hey Dr. Talos, have you ever thought of making the ratio 1:74 instead of 1:60?
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Post by: Frequency on July 04, 2019, 12:49:16 AM
He changed the ratio to 0:66 recently, he will probably 5 years ahead change the ratio to 0:90 while using a 50 unit bankroll. :P
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Post by: DrTalos on July 04, 2019, 01:29:29 AM
Love the humor.
  When I switched to 1:66 I noticed that profit was lower without making sessions shorter or safer. So, I worked in the other direction. I tried to get more money out of my efforts, without changing the core of the system. But yes, I still work on it, in a way or another. Does not matter how profitable is your endeavor you will try to improve it.
  My basic system was asking for hypotetical 1200+ units. How could I bring 30000 $ with me at the casino? 12000 is a big enough sum, I tell you (So you know, I don't carry all that cash in my pocket when I play).
In five years will be different, I know. But all those differences will come with efforts, sweat, calculations and hard work.
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Jesper on July 05, 2019, 01:53:35 PM
There are winning sessions and winning players, just  that. Even WOODO can win.  A good "system" can make it a fraction better. Take care. We can win a lot, and we can lose.   I am up a 500000 units (0.1) and due to my "system" suite the permanents. Easy as that, if you bet a place you win if you did bet at the number show.
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Bebediktus on July 09, 2019, 06:07:31 AM
Wins this who know and who can something more. You all imagine, that you play against some roulette soul, really you play against some other player , which stands in oposite side.

You can imagine, that you play against dealer say 100 spins, then you change role and you become dealer , but he - player.

After such combined 200 spins some of you will be - winner. Now imagine , if you this way play against many players as in turnament - somebody will be winner. If in such turnament will participate 100 peoples that means that the winner play better, than 99 others - that is big number.

So if you talk about wins - must think, if you can be that, which is better than 99 others ? And if you think so - you must understand that you cant be winner in such tournament, without better skils, than have thesse 99.

And if you still think that you can be winner - then you must easy know answer to questtion what you know better in what your skills are better ?

Can you ?
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Third on July 09, 2019, 06:33:02 AM
I simply have to choose the better numbers and bet them in way that still allows me to win. 

However, the paradigm of a contest only goes so far.  Roulette reality is that I am trying to consistently win a profit, while protecting my bankroll; that's a more realistic paradigm.
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Bebediktus on July 09, 2019, 07:42:13 AM
Sure we must choose numbers which win :)
But if that for you is simply, then natural questtion - what you do here? With such simply choosing  you must be  multi-millionair  and can spent time in some better way... :)
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Post by: Jesper on July 09, 2019, 08:05:01 AM
It is near impossible to win  hundreds of 1000 spins, every test can prove it.  Specially if we use system with high turnover and may be two zeros with normal payout.  But as any can hit a jackpot, there are times when it works very long.  A winning system in the case it can not lose, we have better stop looking for.  We must take risks, and use a bankroll which can stand some bad runs, which will come. A stop loss would not help, it is just a warning.
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Post by: Third on July 09, 2019, 08:23:19 AM
Some numbers are better than others, no matter how long the sequence.  Even AP experience variance, so when I say "simply", I mean that it is the only solution (with money management) for winning the contest.
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Post by: Bebediktus on July 09, 2019, 09:11:21 AM
It is near impossible to win  hundreds of 1000 spins, every test can prove it. 
I think that if i will have oportunity to play 1000 spins how i want  - so bet say till 7-8 sec till end no matter which is wheel - I must be winner. Very simply calculations  done on simulator - for example I taked hit rate as 1/33 i think that i have usually even better.
So results 1000 in one group and 100 trials
 Losses: 2   Amount: -272    Wins: 98      Amount: 92548    Spins: 100000

Total Profit: 92276

Once more :
 Losses: 8   Amount: -1052    Wins: 192      Amount: 187368    Spins: 200000

Total Profit: 186316

I think all setings are super realistic.
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Post by: Jesper on July 09, 2019, 09:44:39 AM
This can happen, and if i does, you should check the fairness of the random generator. I have had using javascript random got such a results. When checking it was just about passing the fairness test. Anyhow what is the gain if no money were put at stake.

A such long test can be fair, luck can last.   Simple do a million spins, and count the odd numbers to the even, on a NOZ.  There is a good chance you will be 1000:s of units more ahead. Flat betting one of them.
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Post by: Bebediktus on July 09, 2019, 10:31:36 AM
No that is mathematic - you have hit rate 1/37, but I have 1/33 and that do all....
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Post by: Jesper on July 09, 2019, 11:00:55 AM
There is just 36 numbers in my casino.  If you can prove  by math, you have such a hit rate on a fair wheel, I may soon see you in Stockholm the 10 of December any  year from now.   

In your sample it may be true, but it will never hold a test. A test must have some conditions to be valid. If you take your hypothesis from the same sample you test it with, it is not the proper way.  It should be possible to repeated by others, who probably  know math to some more extent.   

The winning in a game of roulette is based on luck, or in some cases cheat or an observation on a technical issue on the wheel.
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Post by: Bebediktus on July 09, 2019, 01:35:51 PM
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The winning in a game of roulette is based on luck
There are no any luck - all are only calcualations where ball will land.
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There is just 36 numbers in my casino.
then it is online casino I not play in such
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If you can prove  by math, you have such a hit rate on a fair wheel, I may soon see you in Stockholm the 10 of December any  year from now.   
Proving is not so hard , but i doubt that you can still will understand.
Simpliest proving is such say if you look to very end of spin and ball just stopped in some pocket. You must understand that for example opposite side of wheel had lowest  chance to be hitted and this which where hit - largest , if you that not understand then hard something prove to you.
But if you understand - then  I can say that me can  calculate  this part of wheel some time before that happened  and i never cover that bad part  and try as more acurate cover part which will be near to  optimal center..

Because this i got hits, more often than others.Of course i not know exact which hit rate i will have in next play, all is based previous results say i cover 15 pockets and play 100  spins, normally must hit 100*15/37=40.54, but say i had 46 hits - do simple calculations and got that mine hit rate is about 1/32.6
After playing roulette 25 years i know that usually mine hit rate is more than 1/35 and less than say 1/28 somewhere in this range . Of course every wheel is different and many depends how big and how good data i have...  :)
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Post by: Jesper on July 10, 2019, 09:48:49 AM
If you play straight ups with a hitrate of 1 to 33, in some years it should end up in billions. 
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Post by: Third on July 10, 2019, 09:51:35 AM
Heck, I am happy with 1:35! :D
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Post by: Bebediktus on July 10, 2019, 10:00:24 AM
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If you play straight ups with a hitrate of 1 to 33, in some years it should end up in billions.
Theoretically - yes , but practically it is not so easy. I know several guys  which won millions and play worse than me.
Was such, that I played for their money without chance to lost...with such mine help they won I think more than  several hundreeds thousands....

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Heck, I am happy with 1:35! (https://www.roulettelife.com/Smileys/default/cheesy.gif)
With such hit rate sooner or later disperssion will kill you...
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: Jesper on July 10, 2019, 04:18:44 PM
Poor bankroll then?
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Post by: MickyP on July 10, 2019, 04:38:02 PM
Bankroll size is relative to the method being played. If you use a method and base your bets on expectation alone, you will not need a bankroll running into the thousands. If a method requires a "large bankroll" then there is a problem with the method. Guessing where the ball might land falls in line with big bankrolls. I know triggers are controversial but with limited spins bet on each trigger and tests having pinned a high success rate of the trigger, the odds are in the players favour to be successful with a small to medium bankroll.
Main problem is that players don't know how to manage their cash. Loss chasers.
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Post by: Jesper on July 10, 2019, 05:18:57 PM
Micke that's is baa cheap. I bankroll is important, Why I play pennies and win on a bet of 1000 times more?  I got 300000  1 cents when i chipet up ONLY then bankroll as well were larger.  I relay on luck only.  People which  think they are furtune teller, are quite common here. They use to be at least not polite.
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Post by: MickyP on July 10, 2019, 05:51:21 PM
Aaaaah.... but I am being polite and although your insinuations are derogatory, I don't find you antagonistic at all.

Triggers are not sucked out of ones thumb. Research and testing gives a probability of success within a limited number of spins. Making use of triggers is not fortune telling but play based on probability of a trigger yielding positive results. This offers the player parameters to manage his game by.

I'm not trying to change the way you play but I would certainly not place bets purely on luck alone. Any information that can assist a player to identify a playable area (wheel or felt) must be utilized. Scattering penny chips randomly on the table is not the way to go.

I do agree that bankroll is important but what is more important is what you do with your bankroll.
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Post by: Bebediktus on July 10, 2019, 06:05:05 PM
Poor bankroll then?
How can be poor  bancrol  with hitting 1/33   :) ?
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Post by: Third on July 10, 2019, 09:30:05 PM
He meant the reason you were playing for someone else?
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Post by: Bebediktus on July 10, 2019, 11:45:47 PM
Reason is slight other and if you it not know, then...
Simply roulette is such game which need  to fix too much information - alone is not possible that to do , because of that is created teams... In team every member have  some specifical task...but i doubt if that for you is interesting and if i need talk such things...
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Post by: scepticus on July 11, 2019, 12:43:09 AM
So, Bebdiktus, it is not practicable to work alone with VB  ?
How do you divide the winnings ?

Trust is needed ?

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Post by: Bebediktus on July 11, 2019, 08:30:04 AM
Really for alone is hard. Possible , but hard. Team members are usually peoples which  know for long time.  Bancroll is made from all team and winings divide acordingly job and merits. Winings ar very stable , but after dividing - they are not big enough.
Problem is that all casinos try protect himself and not let win many . Because of that need traveling and that is quite expensive.
Title: Re: winning system anyone?
Post by: scepticus on July 11, 2019, 10:12:44 AM
NOT  " EASY " then ?
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Post by: Bebediktus on July 11, 2019, 11:19:47 AM
If will  be "EASY" casinios will be bancrupted  ;D
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Post by: scepticus on July 11, 2019, 03:12:27 PM
 ;D ;D ;D
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Post by: scepticus on July 11, 2019, 03:19:34 PM
"If you have $10,000 B/R and the starting chip is $10, it's obvious that you will never lose.It would take probably 10  B2B losses, to lose that kind of B/R.  And it has to happen the very first time you try the system.Because until you run into 10 B2B losses(hypothetically, because realistically it will never happen in this lifetime), you will have well over $200,000 from winnings, therefore you can afford to lose $10,000 if the unthinkable happened."

Very interesting Palestis. With this method and the right bankroll lies the HG for a lifetime. You will only feel secure once you pass the self sustaining mark of at least three times your starting bankroll. With this you can experience at least two bankroll losses (B2B) and still have gas in the tank to push forward. A sound retirement plan. ;D

The proper  thread ?  :D
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Post by: MickyP on July 11, 2019, 03:33:49 PM
Old Yellow,  :-* ... get back to answering the questions on your 9 block thread.

Or even better, why not use this thread to present the 9 block winning system?

You still need to answer some difficult questions though... ::)