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Title: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Third on May 14, 2019, 02:14:50 PM
Here is a marquee I encountered online while playing with real money:

(https://www.roulettelife.com/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=2780.0;attach=6196)

What do you guys think??
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: GIAJJENNO on May 14, 2019, 02:24:55 PM
My think that should f*** off the RNG. My first and last RNG play was in pub like like a slot machine was...I was betting dozens and came up 2 4 7 3 9 8 ...my first 6 bet I lost little 20 euro, on the second machine 30, so I stood up, and walked away.

I will NEVER play RNG again.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: shaldoryn on May 14, 2019, 02:30:42 PM
LOL!
That's because of this kind of things we say it's not fair. Try to play only one color with a simple progression, after a while it will create a crazy streak on the opposite color, or crazy streaks in a row.
Those are algorithms = man made.
Do you trust men when context is power or money ? Not me :)
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: MickyP on May 14, 2019, 03:01:05 PM
The sequence can happen but the odds are very low unless the RNG wheel developed a bias through players slapping their mouse on the desk or the side of the machine....lol

Listen to serious roulette players and do not play RNG. Only play in B/M casinos on tables you qualify for your methods.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: UnlikelySam on May 14, 2019, 04:39:39 PM
BTW what system were you playing Third ; dozens EC etc ? That really is a freakish piece of something... :o
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Joe on May 14, 2019, 06:26:29 PM
It's rare, but not that rare. The probability of a number hitting 5 or more times in 8 spins is 1 in 36,000. To put this in perspective, that's equivalent to an even chance streak of 14-15.

So no, it's not "completely unnatural" and you shouldn't assume that the RNG is fixed just because you saw it.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: shaldoryn on May 14, 2019, 08:15:50 PM
Joe, the problem is that you will encounter this kind of events way more frequently than that, and never in your favor. Very quickly you see it's going too much against you. I've only played in demo mode, where it's the case too. But heard many ppl frustrated of that very same behaviour, when they don't encounter a similar experience on real roulette.
RNG is only about algorythm, no matter certifications, proves or whatever you want that it's fair, with money under the table, like it happens everywhere, all is possible.
The other possibility, the generated random is just simply not real random, which I believe, but not that much.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Roulette Man on May 14, 2019, 09:00:48 PM
How about this...

This is from our "Unfair Roulette" documentary (https://www.roulettelife.com/index.php/topic,2753.0.html).

Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Joe on May 14, 2019, 09:38:42 PM
Joe, the problem is that you will encounter this kind of events way more frequently than that, and never in your favor. Very quickly you see it's going too much against you. I've only played in demo mode, where it's the case too.
I'm not saying that there aren't bent casinos with fixed RNG's but I don't believe it's as common as players make out. For one thing, if you're suspicious in the first place you're going to notice more "unusual" events than you would otherwise, because you're looking for them. And also don't forget that on RNG you can get hundreds of spins in a short time, maybe 10 times more in a given time period than you would in a B & M casino, so no wonder you see more "extreme" events.
Without actual stats over a large number of spins it's hard to draw conclusions about any particular casino, but here I assume Third is just talking about a one-off event, not events like that repeated in a relatively small number of spins.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: shaldoryn on May 14, 2019, 10:14:07 PM
I agree with you, and I'm sure not all the RNGs are fixed, but from personal experience, the crazy color streaks (opposite color of course), I had this several times, like +20 times, with one opposite color somewhere inbetween. I have also souvenir of frequent same numbers, like 3-4 times in like 5 spins. I usually don't trust other ppl saying things, but as I've experienced myself the same issues, I give most of them credit.
Anyway, RNG is at potential risk, let's say it like that, and as long as the player knows it, I guess it's ok.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Third on May 14, 2019, 10:25:56 PM
I apologize, could it be possible that I was really tired?  I failed to mention that on this particular sequence (from the bottom), I was betting High and I made $84.

I really, really, really like Joe's posting here!

(https://static3.seekingalpha.com/uploads/2017/4/17/47889281-1492462192729577.jpg)

(https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/500x/66081853/give-that-man-a-round-of-applause.jpg)
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: kav on May 14, 2019, 10:48:30 PM
It's true that strange steaks become much more suspicious because (when) they are most often against us instead of favorable to our bets.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Third on May 15, 2019, 12:11:47 AM
I have a serious question for you Joe.  How did you calculate the chances of 5 numbers appearing in 10 spins?

@Kav: Its true I have found myself doing it.  We all should be aware that there are definitely rigged RNG's out there and its not necessarily difficult to do it (especially if the results are not audited).
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: UnlikelySam on May 15, 2019, 09:47:43 AM
My sentiments exactly Kav... Third if they really implemented "Sniper Mode" then it would have been curtains for ya  :'(  You actually ended up coining it bro , well done you ;D ....

Ok this was some time ago  what I did couple times... I entered various patterns of Hi Low and the rest of EC in each of its own text file separately... About 2-3 pages of random patterns but all grouped together no spaces or line breaks. Sooooo as the spins hit I used the search function till I had a match of 8 "characters" in the text file and then I reckoned let's see if this pattern can repeat exactly so betted against the pattern...

Well I did win the majority of the time until 1 day when that pattern matched right up to the 15th "character" and only broke the pattern on the 16th :o .... Ohhhh no it didn't ; yes it did... >:( >:( >:(  It felt like it was totally out to get me :-\  Random vs Random... Ohhhh Well it worked while it lasted and made some pretty darn profit...  :D
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Astutillo on May 15, 2019, 11:31:01 AM
Just today I test online on RNG a simple method to understand if the software is reliable and fair.
The betting system was:Bet 5 double streets - 30 numbers.Not covered: 1-2-3 street ; 34 - 35- 36 street ; zero (7 numbers)
Every time you win you gain 1 chip, when you lose you lose 5.When you lose, just double and look for three hits in a row to make a new high.
I test this in fun mode with no problem and big profits (fun profits).Today I test it with real money.After about twelve spins the software spun out 7 non covered numbers out of the next 10 spins!!!I lost my bankroll (only 20€ for testing) and learn another lesson.
Consider that in Italy all the online casinos must have the license by the government to work.But everyone knows that evolution gaming/playtech RNG are rigged. They simply play against your bet selection if you play many numbers. The most ridicoulous reaction is when you bet on large sectors - it would be funny to see if wouldn't so sad, you simply can't win. In my experience, although I play mainly in B/M casinos, the best selection to play RNG is play few numbers.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: MickyP on May 15, 2019, 02:25:58 PM
LOL, It is for this reason that you never test a system in fun mode.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Astutillo on May 15, 2019, 03:26:30 PM
LOL, It is for this reason that you never test a system in fun mode.

MickyP yes this is so true.
Fun mode is a non sense.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Third on May 15, 2019, 03:52:05 PM
the best selection to play RNG is play few numbers.

If the RNG is rigged, the best selection to play is the following:

NO NUMBERS

If a RNG is rigged you will LOSE period.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Astutillo on May 15, 2019, 04:01:51 PM
the best selection to play RNG is play few numbers.

If the RNG is rigged, the best selection to play is the following:

NO NUMBERS

If a RNG is rigged you will LOSE period.

It' not so straightforward.
I made profits betting few numbers, while it's quite impossible to avoid heavy drawdowns betting large sectors or many numbers.
I mean the software behaves differently.
In the second case it clearly turns on a "defensive mode". Same if you play on sunday.

Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Third on May 15, 2019, 04:06:48 PM
Well, I agree that its not straight-forward but in the experiences I have had with what I suspect was a rigged roulette, I was receiving "reverse odds"; so like, if I would be playing 2 Dozens, I would get the odds of 1 Dozen.  What would happen is my bankroll would go down by 33%, up by 20%, down by 33%, up by 10% and bust.  So that's what I mean.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Joe on May 15, 2019, 06:44:27 PM
I have a serious question for you Joe.  How did you calculate the chances of 5 numbers appearing in 10 spins?
First, I would like to say how much I admire what you're doing Third. It's no mean achievement to make a living from roulette, especially playing systems online, and with an RNG too! Kudos to you. I hope you continue to find success because I'm drawing inspiration from it.

The calculation is a little tricky, but I will try to explain it; let me know if anything's unclear.

I'm assuming you're aware of the binomial distribution formula? it calculates the chances of the number of "successes" in a number of trials. So in this case I took the number of trials to be 8, not 10, because we want to calculate the probability of the cluster occurring in the minimum number of trials, which means taking the end of the sequence at the point where the cluster is confirmed to end (which happens on the 8th spin in your screenshot).

There are 5 of #28 in the sequence, but we don't calculate the chance of exactly 5 #28's in 8 spins, rather we want the probability of 5 or more #28's. Why? this is where it can seem paradoxical; the chance of exactly 5 hits is actually lower than the chance of 5 or more, because in the latter case we are adding up the probabilities of exactly 5 hits, 6 hits, 7 hits, and 8 hits. This is just a consequence of the law in probability which says you that you add probabilities which are mutually exclusive.

Rather than calculate those separate chances and add them up, it's easier to use what's called a Cumulative Distribution Function or CDF. The CDF is actually defined as the chance of less than or equal to some outcome, which in this case would be the probability that you would get 0..5 hits of #28 in 8 spins. But we don't want that, we want the probability of at least 5, and to get this we need to subtract the CDF from 1.

Why? because it has to be true (ie 100% chance) that either #28 hit 0 to 4 times inclusive, or it hit 5 times or more. ie, in terms of probability :

chance that it hit 0 to 4 times + chance that it hit at least 5 times = 1

But the chance that it hit 0 to 4 times is the CDF (using 4 as the parameter), so

CDF + chance that it hit at least 5 times = 1, and rearranging we have

Chance that it hit at least  5 times = 1 - CDF

Calculating the CDF is tedious but there are calculators online to do it. Unfortunately none of the ones I've seen give you the degree of precision needed for this calculation (because the probability is very small). I use a statistical software package called Gretl (free) which can do this very easily and a lot more besides.

Here is the output from computing the above calculation :

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p = 1 - cdf(b, 0.027, 8, 4)
Generated scalar p = 7.50545e-07

But remember this is the probability of a particular number (in our case #28) hitting at least 5 times in 8 spins. We need the probability that any number will do it. That means we have to multiply the probability by 37 (because there are 37 ways it can happen, one for each number).

So the final probability is 37 * 7.50545e-07 = 0.000027770, which is 1 in 36,010.

Ok so that was quite tough for those who don't know basic probability. Let me know if you want anything clarified.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Joe on May 15, 2019, 06:58:12 PM
It's true that strange steaks become much more suspicious because (when) they are most often against us instead of favorable to our bets.
Kav that's a good point. You would never hear someone say : "this casino must be fixed because I'm winning too much!". That might seem silly because obviously if the casino is fixing outcomes it's going to be in their favour not ours, but it does draw attention to our confirmation bias.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Third on May 15, 2019, 07:56:23 PM
LOL.  Ya it would make no sense the casino sitting around saying, "Darn it!  We were fixing the results but the guy didn't bet the way we wanted!".  ROFL.

Thank you Joe.  Excellent work btw.  Being of an ignorant sort here, I am strongly inclined to argue that the chances of a PARTICULAR number doing something, is the same as ONE (out of 37 numbers) doing something and we cannot calculate the chances of a particular number doing something without factoring in the 37 number set, right?  So, I don't understand how you needed to make a separate calculation for the 37 numbers?
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Joe on May 16, 2019, 04:07:50 PM
So, I don't understand how you needed to make a separate calculation for the 37 numbers?
It might help to show why you have to do it by describing a simpler calculation. If you want to calculate the chance of getting two hits in row on a single number you might reason like this :

The chance of getting a hit on one number is 1/37, so the chance of getting 2 consecutive hits on a number is 1/37 * 1/37 = 1/1369, because you multiply the probabilities to find the probability of a streak.  But there is an ambiguity here; does "a number" mean a particular number, such as #19, or any number? If the latter, the above calculation is not correct because it applies only to some particular number. If you think about it, it's much harder to pick a particular number specified in advance to repeat than it is to predict that some number will repeat.

In fact the chance that any number will repeat is 1/37 and not 1/37 * 1/37. This because you are saying that :

#0 will repeat or #1 will repeat or #2 will repeat .... all the way up to #36

And because these events are mutually exclusive you can add their probabilities (as I explained above). So each probability of a repeat is 1/37 * 1/37 and the calculation for all numbers is :

 1/37 * 1/37 +  1/37 * 1/37 +  1/37 * 1/37 + ... up to 37 times.

But this is just a long way of writing 37 * 1/37 * 1/37 = 1/37 (the 37 cancels the 1/37), so the probability of any number repeating is 1/37.
The same logic applies to more complex calculations using the binomial formula; you still have to multiply by 37 to get the probability of the event for any of the 37 numbers.

If you're still not convinced, you can write code to find the probability. In fact I would recommend doing this for any complex calculation because it serves as check that your maths is correct. And actually some probability calculations are so complex that there isn't any way of calculating them; you have to write a simulation.

I don't have time right now but I'll write some code to verify it later this evening.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Joe on May 16, 2019, 08:20:50 PM
So according to my calculation, the probability of at least 5 repeats in 8 spins is 1 in 36,010. This means that if I take 10 million samples, each consisting of 8 spins, then 10,000,000/36,010 = 278 (on average) of them should result in at least 5 repeats.

The high level algorithm goes like this :

1. generate 8 spins
2. set the number of "successes" (a sample containing 5+ occurrences of the same number defines a success) to zero
3. determining whether the current sample is a "success"
4. if it is, add 1 to the success count
5. goto step 1 until 10M samples have been collected and analysed
6  print out the number of successes (it should be around 278)

Here's the actual code in C:

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#include <stdio.h>
#include <stdlib.h>
#include <time.h>

# define SAMPLE 8                  // 8 spins in a sample

int main()
{
  int spins[SAMPLE];
  int i,j,k, spin, successes, hits;
 
  srandom((unsigned)time(NULL));   // seed the RNG
  successes = 0;
  for (i = 0; i <= 10e+6; i++) {   // get 1M samples of 8 spins
    for (j = 0; j < SAMPLE; j++)   // get 8 spins
      spins[j] = random() % 37; 
    for (j = 0; j <= 36; j++) {    // for each # from 0 to 36...
      hits = 0;                    // reset hit counter
      for (k = 0; k < SAMPLE; k++) // look at the current sample
        if (spins[k] == j)         // if a number in the sample is j
          hits++;                  // add 1 to hit counter
      if (hits >= 5) {             // if there were >= 5 hits
        successes++;               // add one to success counter
        break;                     // quit loop (get another 8 spins)
      }
    }
  }
  printf("%d\n", successes);
  return 0;
}
You can test the results for yourself by going to

https://rextester.com/l/c_online_compiler_gcc (https://rextester.com/l/c_online_compiler_gcc)
Remove the sample code from the editor and copy & paste the above code into it, then click the "Run it" button (or press F8). Obviously you won't get 278 every time (it's called variance!) but the number will cluster around this value.

Here's a screenshot of a sample run:
(https://i.postimg.cc/cHmh8Zw1/probability.png)
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Third on May 16, 2019, 09:29:12 PM
Fantastic! :D
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: sam41 on May 16, 2019, 09:34:40 PM
Well I saw the number 7 had hit 4 times in a row on a live dealer wheel just yesterday, so strange things like that can happen. Last week I saw 25 hit on every other spin 5 times, so it was 25, another number,25, another number etc. Five times in a row! Then finally 25 didn't hit after another number, but guess what? It hit on the next spin!

That said I certainly don't play RNG anymore after many uncomfortable experiences. Once on sky Vegas I was playing dozens 1 and 3 and dozen 2 hit....11 times in a row! Has anyone ever seen the same dozen or column hit on a real wheel that many times in a row? I think 8 is the most I've seen. But just the fact it also happened to be the dozen I wasn't betting, it was laughable.

I took a screen shot and sent it to sky to complain, knowing I was wasting my time but I wanted to at least show them the fix isn't even subtle and is actually so blatant it's funny.

Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Third on May 16, 2019, 11:30:12 PM
Once on sky Vegas I was playing dozens 1 and 3 and dozen 2 hit....11 times in a row!

.999996 chance that simply won't happen.  This is a 1:250,000 coup attempt event!

I would be watching this casino very carefully!

The max I can simulate is 16.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: sam41 on May 17, 2019, 12:02:14 AM
Exactly. I told them it wasn't realistic that could happen if it's meant to give results like a real wheel but just got the predictable standard reply about it being random and tested etc.

Makes me happy when I take money off them now via the live dealers. I change casinos every day but I play sky Vegas about twice a month and happened to play there today, shifting another £140 from their account to mine. 😀
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Third on May 17, 2019, 12:17:33 AM
I mean they are likely to be correct about it but it does cause one to raise the eyebrow more than slightly...
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: UnlikelySam on May 17, 2019, 05:02:26 AM
Sam I have actually lost count the number of times someone has told me about the weird happenings they encountered on a Live Wheel especially those repeat patterns you mentioned...

With regards to seeing that dozen hit 11 times ;  I have seen it hit 11 times and 12 max ; sheer ludicrousness... They simply retort "Variance" when questioned... All these strange phenomena is the very reason why most refer to RNg as "Slots"... It really tarnishes the faith one has even in a legit RNg as you do not know when the risk to ruin will occur... I must confess your posts are somewhat Dejavu for me... It is really "comforting" to read and establish that our own experiences with all of these are not so isolated as they would have us to believe...
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: petespin on May 17, 2019, 08:45:06 AM
All online games including roulette games refered as random but they are not ! The main deference is how they call it "appear to be random" !! Now think about it ,I 've discuss with a guy that he's own a local national lottery shop and he's accepted that the outcomes could change depending how much players bet on the virtual games!
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: UnlikelySam on May 17, 2019, 10:14:32 AM
Pete what you speak off reminds me of sporting bets ; rather speaking of the odds -  constantly dropping as  the more bets placed on a particular market...  ???
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: petespin on May 17, 2019, 10:29:53 AM
Sadly if u hear "server based" games there's "something" no good behind!!! :-\
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Rinad on May 17, 2019, 02:45:33 PM


    I dont know how many times in my 30+ years of playing I had to said ;   I tested this thing over 20.000 spins and within one hour playing live it goes bust??!!!  surely it can happen but..... deja vu......but....mmm.......

then someone said; oh but no man, the casinos would never take the risk of losing their licence,ect.....
I am like ;  never watch "american greed ??",lol

Rinad
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: UnlikelySam on May 17, 2019, 04:24:44 PM
20 000 spins :o  lol Rinad how were you testing that bro?

If I may ask when you are at a B&M how many methods are you playing on the table at a time?
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Rinad on May 17, 2019, 04:36:31 PM


    I was just making a statement OMG !!!   no need to investigate. 20k there, 30k there, who care ?  I am just making a point here.

R.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: UnlikelySam on May 17, 2019, 04:42:41 PM
" 20 000 spins   lol Rinad how were you testing that bro? "... Me too cos I was wondering 30 years ago no RX ;D

Sooooo errrrrr the 2nd part to my question ; how many methods? :P

Regards

Sam...
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: UnlikelySam on May 17, 2019, 05:16:43 PM
" no need to investigate. 20k there, 30k there "

I know bro I know :-\  but sometimes the urge to put the pedal to the metal  :-[  ... The force is just far too strong... Can't resist the temptation to take it to the max...  ::) :P  To some it's a form of an " addiction " they wouldn't ever think of going to Rehab for... ;D ...

Click Play...
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Rinad on May 17, 2019, 05:58:18 PM


   I can honestly said that every method I ever played live was tested at home first, either using rx ,rng, live spins, ect....  I begin playing BJ extensively for years. then went to roulette.  never played more then one method per session.  the casino  has ways to cheat the player and to become invisible as much as possible has its advantages. maybe not the grandiose ones you see in vegas but others for sure.
it is kind of sickning to know that they are so many dishonest ones. why ? because a guy could have something very solid in a method only to see it crashing playing live and then becoming a doubter of his own method.
I have played in Elco nevada a double dozen system in my early years on a real live wheel getting creamed because the losses on betting 2 dozens were inamaginable after hours of play, never getting even close to a 50/50 hit rate!
I saw a oriental women dealer switching cards on me when playing 2 hands of BJ. I saw it, told her, the pit boss review and called for the review, never apologized for their (mistake), yep.  no mistake there my friend.
so many other stories with airball machines. 
anyhow are they honest games out there? sure they do. but it is a double edge sword and most players are not as ignorant on this forum as some think they may be.
R.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: UnlikelySam on May 17, 2019, 06:44:38 PM
Yikes!!!  The cheek of them ; not even a sincere apology... If the tables were turned around  >:( Just a  couple weeks back seen a video of live BJ where the dealer was so quick to swop the cards from the deck literally pushing the front card to 1 behind... Blatant cheating so casually and openly...  :-\ 

Imagine playing BJ against a magician :o

Airball has the element of doubt so many stories good and bad...  ???
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: sam41 on May 18, 2019, 12:47:47 AM
I don't play airball either for the same reason, can't trust it's fair. I'm not 100% convinced live dealer online is always fair either, but not sure how they can target just you or how they can do it without it being obvious. But it's why I never play at the same casino after winning a decent amount, at least for a week or so. No idea if it helps or if the problem is really even there in the first place but it's no big deal so I guess if anything it gives me peace of mind.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Rinad on May 18, 2019, 09:21:08 PM


  many of us dont want to speak negatively about "roulette cheating"  so we stay quiet.

I know what i know and I have seen too much testimony about how casinos cheat players.  even by the use of a 'remote control"  they can rigged a game. so if they choose to do so they wont get cut !!!
 I also hate if a pit boss grabs a phone as soon as you place a big bet.

R.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: MickyP on May 18, 2019, 09:58:38 PM
Reminds me of the movie, "The Truman Show" where a guy grows up and his life is a reality TV show but he doesn't know it. Roulette players are like Truman. We don't know about the production team that works behind the scenes. Is there a production team that works beyond the normal security detail? You tell me.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Rinad on May 18, 2019, 10:58:49 PM


  the Truman show, exactly.  since you bring up the "behind the scenes", I did read a book years ago about this guy who did investigate the "origine"  of the eye in the sky.  most of what we know, which is not much, according to his research is that we only know what they show us on tv about their "securities and cameras,tv and all the teckno they have to zoom in on finding cheaters. all we know. what they show us.
this person that wrote the book had a different story.  nobody knows who work there.
they are not even connected with the business of the casino and are tottaly independent.
even pit bosses dont know who is there.
try asking if they can show you their "eye in the sky room".. good luck.
since no one knows it is a very "low key-under-cover business".

Rinad
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: petespin on May 19, 2019, 08:06:40 AM
U know iam thinking if u re not sure about airballs why u have to be sure for real wheels as well??
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: UnlikelySam on May 19, 2019, 09:01:14 AM
Pete I guess owing to the articles about some sneaky airball machines ; there will always be that doubt. The machine you play at ; is the ball landing area preset or totally truly random in your opinion ? I remember you did mention a few times that at your airball place the guys were all losing big time while a few were winning if memory serves me right ???
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: petespin on May 19, 2019, 12:21:38 PM
Sam the machines are made to beat u ! At least the vast majority of the players ,after All there were always be a very small precentage that can win at constant basis at those machines , what u need is knowledge and knowledge and....    ;D
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: petespin on May 19, 2019, 12:33:17 PM
We 've achieved to found a pattern at  specific type of airball machine but u know about  hacking which helps me a lot and I always love to try my skills in every new challenge which appears to me , so generally speaking I think almost every different machine type has its own patterns ,it can't be done any other way it's programmed in that manner !
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: MickyP on May 19, 2019, 01:05:13 PM
Pete, if you do find a pattern with a airball machine, can you narrow down that pattern to a few spins that you can capitalize on? Would you mind explaining the type of pattern you have found?
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: petespin on May 19, 2019, 01:40:01 PM
Mickey what I 've found is an specific repeating pattern which appear after every x number of spins the amount may differ and it works only till u bet at 2e size if unit ,no more than this amount ,this is very important , if u play the same but increase your wagers u 'll fail! Saying too much already  ;D
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: petespin on May 19, 2019, 01:49:24 PM
So don't be expect anything magic with this cuz u have too stay for a lot of hours to gain a very nice profit ,and it works in just one type of airball machine we 've try to another and it didn't worked !
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: UnlikelySam on May 19, 2019, 01:49:47 PM
Pete below is what I wanted to post before you posted the reply before the last...

Do you wait for the high rollers to stroll by the airball and once they place their large bets you bet the exact opposite of their bets with smaller bets ;D ... :o
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: petespin on May 19, 2019, 01:54:29 PM
Sam nothing like that but  simple if the machine is starving it will take much longer to have good profit as u 'll have poor payouts depending if the machine is well feeding ! I think its common sense.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: UnlikelySam on May 19, 2019, 02:00:31 PM
Pete I didn't wanna say this in the earlier post but now you are saying what I have been thinking ; a slot machine... :-[  like you put lasagne in the oven and waiting for it to get "done" ;D
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: petespin on May 19, 2019, 02:05:32 PM
Sam and guys here these are slot machines as they programmed to do certain things but those ...patterns are not visible its impossible to find unless u re not familiar with programming and I d say at first rate!
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: UnlikelySam on May 19, 2019, 02:19:01 PM
So Pete they are indeed "preset" patterns. As you know a programme is a predefined set of instructions to execute. Congrats bro at least not all the money the other bettors are losing are going to the casino :D ;)
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: petespin on May 19, 2019, 02:25:12 PM
Yes it is, a programm can not be  completely random simply Becoz random does has limits (and they know that !) So find  your own pattern and beat em !
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: UnlikelySam on May 19, 2019, 02:50:32 PM
In the words of the late great Michael Jackson ; Just beat it ... Just Beat em bro... 8)
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: MickyP on May 19, 2019, 05:40:08 PM
Petespin, I'm not interested in airball, don't play it for obvious reasons. I asked you the question for conversation sake and I see you and Sam had a good exchange along the lines. Was entertaining, thanks!
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: petespin on May 19, 2019, 07:05:44 PM
Micky I gave some clues here as how to act if u re not able to figure this out them iam not responsible for this , I tried , I will not give away this info  for free !
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: MickyP on May 19, 2019, 09:59:16 PM
Pete, even if I can figure it out, I have no interest in airball or any type of electronic based roulette; trust me.

Was just for conversation sake. I know you always claim big but do you actually sell any of your get rich quick schemes?

No need to answer but it will be an interesting conversation if you do.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Rinad on May 19, 2019, 10:15:58 PM


   Pete i have a question for you in regard to airball machine. if you find a particular pattern at a certain machine, lets said "inter block"  as a example, do you think it works at all other interblock machines or are they each individually programmed differently ? 
R.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: petespin on May 20, 2019, 07:14:41 AM
Hi to micky first off are not quick schemes u have to stay for hours to gain a good profit ,second iam not even will I g to sell it to someone who s living .m.close to my base and third it will be for big amount cuz simply u 'll not ever have a loosing session ! To rinad it works at specific type of machine not at every let's say "interblock" types as u understand I can't say more as they probably remove those specific machine type .btw this is a new model which means stay at casinos for long time .
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: MickyP on May 20, 2019, 09:49:11 AM
Was a bit of "dark humour" Pete, no stress. Glad you have found a flaw in the system to manipulate to your benefit. Good for you.

Break the Bank!!!!!

There may just be a roulette novel in the making with your discovery; Something like the Monte Carlo story.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: petespin on May 20, 2019, 10:03:28 AM
Well speaking about pay out -in mode this getting too complicated these days so pls pay attention in this post cuz u 'll read things u 'll never imagine ! This not the same for every manafucter but generally u have to know some important things and brand new updates came on scene , let's begin ...U sitting at the machine where other guys play as well (airballs) and u see most of them loose ( where is the most accepted scenario!) Then u think that ....this is your chance to win Becoz u think machine is ready to pay out after earning too much ...that's wrong !!! U know new programming nullify automatically thexodd s as u play and u don't know it !! They have set an amount let's say 500$ to nullify the pay out mode and to start all over again!
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: Rinad on May 21, 2019, 12:54:28 PM


   Pete can you tell me in all honestly and no exageration if you have had access to a enginer/technician that is a expert on automatic air ball machine or did you just studied and figure things on your own ?
I have often try to speak to the "teck" guys that come and fix the machines when there is a problem but they all said the same lines; all random.....no way to manipulate the outcome...ect...  I just wish i could actually speak to a non-bias honest expert that knows the in-outs of exactly how they work. I dont think it is possible to brake the code and figure those machines out just by sitting down for hours ect....impossible in my view.  you got to hear it from a expert to really have a true opinion.

R.
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: petespin on May 21, 2019, 01:31:36 PM
Rinad what did u expect to tell u bro? But afterall they don't even know ,perhaps the only person knows is the programmer who s program this specific type machine and let a back door open! Only him ! I co operate with a guy that worked in this manafucter ,honestly I couldn't do that on my own !I can tell u a lot more but what's the use ?
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: petespin on May 21, 2019, 02:21:19 PM
In addition of course its very hard to beat the machine only studying it for long time unless u don't know "what" are u looking for , I can give u an ex in slot machines that I 've done in the past , a real ex .
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: UnlikelySam on May 21, 2019, 02:50:30 PM
Pete a real example of how slots can be exploited would be great ;D  I personally do not play ; just sheer morbid curiosity ;)
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: petespin on May 21, 2019, 04:24:29 PM
For sure doesn't works at now days machines its just an ex back to 00s , it was local manafucter and programmer had open a backdoor ( probably to exploit the flaw on his own !) So this machine plays as follows ... it gave free spins when u rise the bet 39 at 7th spin ( after no pay at all till then) and at 8tg bet at 58 credits !! It doesn't work at any other numbers ( well if u played randomly could hit at any number of credits u played) I remember there were a lot of those machines then at coffee shops and we fully exploit till they .....remove those machines after paying out so much without taking a lot of action!!!!I hope u got an idea about what is calling "backdoors" at programmers language .
Title: Re: IS ONLINE RNG BROKEN!?
Post by: UnlikelySam on May 21, 2019, 05:09:22 PM
Pete I know exactly what you mean ; realistically speaking very few people in that position wouldn't be tempted to create a loophole for a way to access later for monetary gain ; like a duplicate key to a vault... Offcourse the greedy one's may draw attention to themselves by killing the Golden Goose ::)  But then again you never know when the Goose will be replaced by somebody else's Goose ( newer model )  ;D  I like secret combos reminds me of the cheats in video games for GODMODE :P