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Title: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: Badger on February 09, 2019, 12:22:40 PM
There would be 3 kinds of roulette gamblers that casino’s would watch out for.

1.   Biased wheel players
2.   VB players
3.   Progression players

Assuming that there is no such thing as a HG, it would be safe to say that flat bettors would not be a cause of concern to casino’s.

A few members here would scoff at the suggestion that progression players could present a danger to the casino. However, the Blanc brothers were broken by Napolean 111 and after that introduced table limits. His bank was bigger than theirs by a large margin.
Also remember the novel 13 Against the Bank.
If the base bet was 0.01 and the table limit was 100, I think many skilful roulette players would consider the conditions very favourable for themselves.

Now consider playing roulette on an airball machine.

Bias is no problem as the number is generated in a computer.
VB players are nullified by calling no more bets before launching the ball
That leaves progression players. Generally the casino wants to lure players by offering low base bets, so they have to be sure that they can contain the progression players.

In my opinion the machine would play as follows :

1.   The computer selects a random number
2.   Check if anyone is playing a high progression
3.   If so, are they covering the random number that the computer has chosen
4.   If so, go back to step 1 and choose a new random number
5.   Record the number
6.   Launch the ball and guide it to the chosen pocket

Now if government officials decide to check if the numbers are random, they would look at the numbers recorded on the hard drive and would never be able to see that the machine had “cheated”.
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: rimsky on February 09, 2019, 01:45:33 PM

Now consider playing roulette on an airball machine.

Bias is no problem as the number is generated in a computer.

? ? ?
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: Badger on February 09, 2019, 02:45:11 PM
If you look at the patents you will see that the number is generated in a computer and the technology allows the ball to be delivered to the chosen pocket.

Maybe not all or older machines, but certainly the latest ones. This has already been covered in posts by other members.
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: thomasleor on February 09, 2019, 02:48:15 PM
Nicely put, Badger. I have written about this more times than I can count, but I ve stopped because people who want to bet at any cost will negate all odds, be it mathematical or technological, against them and go bet anyway. It is basically useless to write about how the gaming commissions work, or how the latest wheels and corresponding technology works against the gambler. But hey, have at it.

I like your style.
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: petespin on February 09, 2019, 02:58:19 PM
U can't even imagine how new machines work , except "cheating" they put a lot of psychology In machine s program  as a player to take the wrong desicion , I 've already said about one type which selects from 9 no not from all 37!! Btw after all I like to play on a irballs simply Becoz the get lot of play thou have to pay out at some point , I can beat em more easy than live wheels .I 've seen people play at a irballs and complaint that loosing most of the time ..
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: mr j on February 09, 2019, 03:45:45 PM
Dont forget, its also classified as a SLOT game. Any casino game WITHOUT human interaction (dealer) is slots.

Ken
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: scepticus on February 09, 2019, 03:57:14 PM
" If you look at the patents you will see that the number is generated in a computer and the technology allows the ball to be delivered to the chosen pocket.!  Badger 

Of course it does  . This doesn't validate your conclusion that the software can change a selection when it sees a HIgh Progression.  Your posts seem to be sour grapes that you have lost and seek an excuse . Random is what Random does - messes with the minds of the inexperienced .If players think that there is cheating then surely they should steer clear.Those who  complain that they have been cheated when they " know " they are being cheated deserve all that they get .
   
We win - We Lose . Get over it     
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: mr j on February 09, 2019, 04:10:04 PM
Do you cause s**t with everyone?
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: MickyP on February 09, 2019, 06:39:04 PM
U can't even imagine how new machines work , except "cheating" they put a lot of psychology In machine s program  as a player to take the wrong desicion , I 've already said about one type which selects from 9 no not from all 37!! Btw after all I like to play on a irballs simply Becoz the get lot of play thou have to pay out at some point , I can beat em more easy than live wheels .I 've seen people play at a irballs and complaint that loosing most of the time ..

Gamblers fallacy at its best.
The part in bold is a fascinating claim. You go boy!
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: scepticus on February 09, 2019, 06:56:03 PM
Do you cause s**t with everyone?
With everyone  who misleads newbies ? Yes !    With everyone who claims that they make a living without showing the area of their claimed expertise ? Yes !   With everyone who claims  that winning at roulette is EASY ? Yes !
With Micky boy wno doesn't know the difference between 3 in 4 and 4 in 4  amd calls me a liar because he  lacks understanding   ? Yes !  With Mickyboy  who  joined this forum in 2017 as a newbie but posted that he had been a Roulette  Professinal since 2016? Yes ! with Micky boy who took his children with him on a job . In a casino ? Yes !  With  Mickyboy who lost a client .  Yes ! 

You and Mickyboy are here as Attention Seekers to brighten up your sad little lives . Two Roulette  Professionals ?  LOL  ! 
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: MickyP on February 09, 2019, 07:26:32 PM
Do you cause s**t with everyone?
With everyone  who misleads newbies ? Yes ! LIKE YOURSELF SCEPTICUS.    With everyone who claims that they make a living without showing the area of their claimed expertise ? Yes ! I HAVE SHARED ENOUGH WITHOUT REVEALING TOO MUCH.   With everyone who claims  that winning at roulette is EASY ? Yes ! EASY WHEN YOU KNOW HOW.
With Micky boy wno doesn't know the difference between 3 in 4 and 4 in 4  amd calls me a liar because he  lacks understanding   ? Yes ! I KNOW THESE THINGS BUT YOU KEEP CHANGING YOUR WORDS AROUND.  With Mickyboy  who  joined this forum in 2017 as a newbie but posted that he had been a Roulette  Professinal since 2016? Yes ! ADDING YOUR OWN WORDS AGAIN. WHEN YOU JOIN THE FORUM YOU ARE A NEWBIE ON THE FORUM NO MATTER HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN PLAYING ROULETTE. with Micky boy who took his children with him on a job . In a casino ? Yes !T WAS A PHOTOGRAPHY JOB IN SOWETO, YOU CHANGE/ADD WORDS AGAIN.  With  Mickyboy who lost a client .  Yes ! TRUE, BECAUSE I DON'T SUPPORT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION  OR BBBEE (Broad Based Black Economic Empowerment) I BELIEVE IN MERIT. THE BEST MAN FOR THE JOB.   

You and Mickyboy are here as Attention Seekers to brighten up your sad little lives . Two Roulette  Professionals ?  LOL  ! HAHAHAHA! Almost brought tears to my eyes. I'll pay more attention to your 9 blocks; pinkie promise, at least you can get some attention too.

The forum has been kind to you. Why did you get eaten alive on the other forums when you tried to introduce your 9 block thingy to them. They don't hate you but they hate your silly system because it fails even with the phony guarantee. It's a coin flip system.

 
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: Badger on February 09, 2019, 08:07:42 PM
" This doesn't validate your conclusion that the software can change a selection when it sees a HIgh Progression." Scepticus

You are right. Of course it doesn't. But the technology makes it a possibility. If you read my post above you will see that it would be easy to cheat and no trail is left behind of any foul play. A perfect crime.

The concept of monitoring high progressions was made up by me as a means for casino's to protect themselves against progression players. I was speculating. Perhaps they could find another way to monitor ways that progression players operate.

Many players that I have watched randomly spread their units all over and it might be that some NUMBERS have 1 unit on them, other numbers 2 and other numbers 3 or more. This could hardly be called a progression. And that is why I chose to say that the casino would monitor higher progressions.

This is all hypothetical of course. I do believe that the technology exists to be able to cheat and that no one would be the wiser.

However, the reason I started this topic was to discuss 2 players that have won on airball for many years and why they could possibly be winning on machines, that a lot of people say cheat.

I personally do not play airball and apologise to any newbies that I may have inadvertently misled and especially for triggering and offending Scepticus.
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: petespin on February 10, 2019, 01:33:53 AM
Back in time when u re seating in a machine your session s results was predetermined , eng those days act that way , in our times this have changed as the machine "decides" at real time and every single spin what to pay out and what to avoid as well , this is a  fact including slots , r oulettes etc , but let's say in airball play 8 guys and feed the machine , its impossible to loose all of them ,some, well, 1 or 2 will win , most of the time  that guy who s playing for low stakes , these are very simple things to figure out , in addition if we take for granted that live wheels are true number generators there u 'll be experienced with more complex  results than auto  machines as machines do have limits , if u re able to sit and analyze thousands of spins of both wheels u can see the difference comparing the outcomes .
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: petespin on February 10, 2019, 06:19:19 AM
And to settlethethings in the right order I must point out something its common sense ,order tech machines in act controlled by pay out-in precentage  that chip send order to rng as how someone  s feed the machine the odds changed , well its not fix but at some types work that way
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: petespin on February 10, 2019, 06:40:02 AM
Ian sorry about wrong typing but now let's see about a irballs , its also common sense to play only when machine gets lot of play , second u need a really smart bet selection, no progressions, at some point u 'll be cheated as well , u can't avoid it , but if u re experienced on this it will be very rare , that's important .
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: scepticus on February 10, 2019, 11:28:53 AM

  « Reply #11 on: Yesterday at 08:07:42 PM »   " This doesn't validate your conclusion that the software can change a selection when it sees a HIgh Progression." Scepticus

You are right. Of course it doesn't. But the technology makes it a possibility. If you read my post above you will see that it would be easy to cheat and no trail is left behind of any foul play. A perfect crime.
Badger. In te UK Airball Machines are subject to regulation. No major casino company would endanger it's reputation - and licence - by cheating . 

I repeat. If players think they are being cheated then , by continuing to bet , they deserve all they get.
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: scepticus on February 10, 2019, 12:04:19 PM
Do you cause s**t with everyone?
With everyone  who misleads newbies ? Yes ! LIKE YOURSELF SCEPTICUS.    With everyone who claims that they make a living without showing the area of their claimed expertise ? Yes ! I HAVE SHARED ENOUGH WITHOUT REVEALING TOO MUCH.   With everyone who claims  that winning at roulette is EASY ? Yes ! EASY WHEN YOU KNOW HOW.
With Micky boy wno doesn't know the difference between 3 in 4 and 4 in 4  amd calls me a liar because he  lacks understanding   ? Yes ! I KNOW THESE THINGS BUT YOU KEEP CHANGING YOUR WORDS AROUND.  With Mickyboy  who  joined this forum in 2017 as a newbie but posted that he had been a Roulette  Professinal since 2016? Yes ! ADDING YOUR OWN WORDS AGAIN. WHEN YOU JOIN THE FORUM YOU ARE A NEWBIE ON THE FORUM NO MATTER HOW LONG YOU'VE BEEN PLAYING ROULETTE. with Micky boy who took his children with him on a job . In a casino ? Yes !T WAS A PHOTOGRAPHY JOB IN SOWETO, YOU CHANGE/ADD WORDS AGAIN.  With  Mickyboy who lost a client .  Yes ! TRUE, BECAUSE I DON'T SUPPORT AFFIRMATIVE ACTION  OR BBBEE (Broad Based Black Economic Empowerment) I BELIEVE IN MERIT. THE BEST MAN FOR THE JOB.   

You and Mickyboy are here as Attention Seekers to brighten up your sad little lives . Two Roulette  Professionals ?  LOL  ! HAHAHAHA! Almost brought tears to my eyes. I'll pay more attention to your 9 blocks; pinkie promise, at least you can get some attention too.

The forum has been kind to you. Why did you get eaten alive on the other forums when you tried to introduce your 9 block thingy to them. They don't hate you but they hate your silly system because it fails even with the phony guarantee. It's a coin flip system.
Solaris did not find my "silly system  failed " and there have been in excess of 130,000 views of my thread so some people are interested . Despite  your childish criticism.

My words -changed or otherwise. are not needed to anyone who thinks. The Guarantee is clear to anyone who disects ANY block . You are clearly unable to do so  .
You clearly did not understand what I was implying when I said that you took your kids  when you went on a job. No one takes their kids into a casino so " your job" cannot be that of a roulette professional . You gave evidence to that when you said that you were a Photographer. So your profession seems to be a Photographer and not a Roulette Professional . You also said that you employed at least one person. Roulette Professinals do not " employ " people. They may have " team members " but usually work alone.

There must be very few in this forum who still believe your nonsense that you are a Roulette Professional.   
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: MickyP on February 10, 2019, 12:51:58 PM
Firstly Scepticus, I never did state that I am a roulette professional. You labelled me with that tag.

As a Professional Photographer I often had my girls on shoots with me. At times they would be included in the shoots when I did work for motoring magazines. The shoot I spoke of was in SOWETO, a Black township outside Johannesburg and is not the name of a casino. Google will educate you if you are not sure.

As a Photographer and a roulette player I work alone, always have.

What you are trying to do is to pin something on me to discredit me but you fail every time. Unlike you I stand by what I say and don't make stories or change words that mean something totally different.
You backed out of your AP challenge because you said it is irresponsible gambling. Later you blame MrPerfect for backing out.
Your thread is a source of entertainment on the forum. It is riddled with people disputing your word and asking you to explain what you actually mean. Not much in the way of people contributing or discussing your amazing system.

Show me one post where I say I am a Roulette Professional.
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: Badger on February 10, 2019, 02:42:10 PM
"In te UK Airball Machines are subject to regulation" Scepticus

OK. It's a question of semantics. Lets use preservation of self interests instead of cheating.
A blackjack player is asked to leave because the pit boss suspects him of counting cards.
In the players eyes, the casino is a cheat. In the casino's eyes they are just protecting their interests.

Now an airball machine sits all by itself on the casino floor. No pit boss to monitor if everything is OK.
The machine has to be built to cope with whatever "dangers" it may face.

The first part of my post deals with who may be considered "dangerous" to the casinos interests.
The second part of my post deals with how the casino could counter this "danger".

All I am guilty of is using logic and reason to analyse why certain people feel that this machine cheats.
Your quote above Scepticus is like saying : The Americans would never torture muslims because they are Christians.

I have tried to present my case in a logical and reasonable way. You say sour grapes. But I don't play airball, so how can I be sour grapes.

Having said all that about creating a machine that can protect itself, it does not always work.
Last year in my local casino our one and only airball machine went "crazy". It played the same number spin after spin. A lady playing at the time won 25 000 bucks by the time the managers came to close the machine down.

Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: scepticus on February 10, 2019, 02:54:47 PM
Micky boy
You said that Roulette was your business and your only source of income . That makes you a Profressional . Now you say that you are a Profesional Photographer  so, once again you make  yourself out to be a liar . 
 
I don't need to discredit you. You do a fine job of that yourself.  Mere repetition does not make it a coinflip system.

You can fool some of the people  all of the time  but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
You haven't the balls to present your so c alled system for analysis because you don't have one worh anyhimg. Your main occupation here is to argue and I am not alone in thinking that so, as I said before Mickyboy . KEEP POSTING and keep revealing  your ignorance  ! 
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: scepticus on February 10, 2019, 02:58:00 PM
Badger
Regulation of casinos is not a question of " semantics" but a fact .
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: Badger on February 10, 2019, 03:01:00 PM
Scepticus. I think you have a problem with comprehension.
You can obviously read, but you don't understand what you are reading.

That's called comprehension.
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: scepticus on February 10, 2019, 03:44:07 PM
Badger ,
If by lack of comprehension you mean that I did not underatand your change of stance - from cheating to casinos self-interest . I did , but it is pretty meaningless isn't it since casinos WILL look after their self-interest .
What I don't " comprehend " is how you can argue that  " This is all hypothetical of course. I do believe that the technology exists to be able to cheat and that no one would be the wiser. " and then argue as if it was a fact.
Incidentally. did I really accuse YOU of Sour Grapes ?
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: mr j on February 10, 2019, 03:47:36 PM
Scept >> Yesterday you had only mentioned myself and MickyP when I asked about you starting s**t with others. Are you sure its ONLY two members? (lol)
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: scepticus on February 10, 2019, 03:54:54 PM
Wrong again  Kenny boy !
Read the post again. And thistime try and COMPREHEND what I wrote    ;D
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: mr j on February 10, 2019, 04:01:04 PM
Maybe your adding skills suck? I count more than two people you start s**t with on a REGULAR BASIS. You live a sad life sir.
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: scepticus on February 10, 2019, 04:08:02 PM
You talk sh*t  on a regular basis ken .   You are still not Man enough to admit to lying  so it is you that has a sad life . I have a wife and kids to keep me happy. Have you ?   
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: mr j on February 10, 2019, 04:20:36 PM
I asked you yesterday to post the lie,,,,,,,WAITING.
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: scepticus on February 10, 2019, 04:23:14 PM
which " lie "was that ken ?
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: mr j on February 10, 2019, 04:29:15 PM
which " lie "was that ken ?

HaHaHaHa, misdirection. Post the lie. Its an easy request from me. We are all waiting for you sunshine.
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: MickyP on February 10, 2019, 06:18:37 PM

Micky boy
You said that Roulette was your business and your only source of income . That makes you a Profressional . Now you say that you are a Profesional Photographer  so, once again you make  yourself out to be a liar . 
 
I don't need to discredit you. You do a fine job of that yourself.  Mere repetition does not make it a coinflip system.

You can fool some of the people  all of the time  but you can't fool all of the people all of the time.
You haven't the balls to present your so c alled system for analysis because you don't have one worh anyhimg. Your main occupation here is to argue and I am not alone in thinking that so, as I said before Mickyboy . KEEP POSTING and keep revealing  your ignorance  !

Below is the opening thread of one of my threads. Scepticus, read the RED TEXT.

I have made a concerted effort to not be too harsh on you and have avoided insulting you you to the level you insult me but I stand my ground.

Scepticus you say I'm being dishonest about the Roulette Professional thing and if you can show me one post where I claim to be a Roulette Professional I will gladly apologise.


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    This should get some scoffs, laughs and head nodding. It may even cause you to ask yourself a few hard questions.

    From the onset; I will not reveal my true identity but I will give you an insight to how and why I think the way that I do.

    For those of you who have read my posts you will know that I am from South Africa, a controversial country to say the least.
    Due to Broard Based Black Economic Empowerment I have been forced into early retirement and for the last two and a half years I have made my living from roulette.
    I could have taken up photography again but the risks are way too high; life threatening to be exact.
    I resigned from my last position in management to be with my daughter who experienced severe trauma. Yes, I sacrificed my well paying job to be with my daughter.
    My uncle on my late wife's side, a retired advocate was murdered on his farm a few years back. No arrests to date. Such attacks occur almost every 18 hours here. My home is a prison but I feel it is not fortified enough.

    I was a casual roulette player for many years. I started playing in the 1990's. As a newbie I lost my months recreational funds fairly quickly but there were times that I won so much I felt like I could do it on a full time basis. The next loss always grounded me again.
    My late uncle was a best friend to me and we spent a lot of time together. We would discuss random issues about life but we never discussed roulette. He was against all forms of gambling.
    I played and watched people play roulette at every opportunity and slowly my understanding of the game developed.
    I had been viewing roulette forums for a few years before I joined R30.
    I have developed a few methods of my own, some modified from other people's systems and they manage to generate the monthly income I require. Until this point I have not had the need to push for more winning.
    I have recently put my roulette business into action. I shared the basics in the thread "small wins per session". So far so good; I am progressing well.
    I'm doing this to afford my daughters the opportunity to immigrate with enough cash to do so comfortably.  I will follow once they are settled.
    Now at least you know what occupies my mind the most.

    About my posts on the forum; many of the threads I began are not relevant to my game play but I started them to initiate discussions. I value the insight of others and although many threads don't directly impact my game, I never-the-less try and learn from them. I may need that information at some time. I do believe that my threads and posts have helped others to better understand the game (I asked many of the "stupid" questions). I have learnt a great deal in my short time here.

    You may ask, What's with the fights between Real, Scepticus, Mr j  (Ken) and I?
    Nothing really, just a heated discussion that went pear shaped. I do believe all three players are experienced and can teach me and others how to be better players. I am in no way innocent of contributing to the tension created. I stand my ground when challenged.
    I have got no personal issues with the three antagonists. I would like to see Scepticus active on the forum again and I give my word that I will not respond harshly to him again.
    As for Ken, he doesn't care much about anything so I'll learn to avoid him.
    And finally Real, I do like his sense of humour but the one liners can be a bit too much.

    Do I classify myself as a professional roulette player? No but I am a winning one. I'm comfortable winning more than I lose over a month. I don't have a holy grail, Bertrand or any win all the time AP  method so I can't afford to push my play too far with continuous play. I have to play strategically and stop when my goals are reached.

    From the above you will understand my hunger for knowledge but mostly why I get so annoyed with naysayers who do not offer alternatives but are hell bent on derailing discussions. When you are asked a question just answer it. Every word written on the forum is to the benefit of all.

    That's all for now folks.

    Newbie.


Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: MickyP on February 10, 2019, 06:27:42 PM
You talk sh*t  on a regular basis ken .   You are still not Man enough to admit to lying  so it is you that has a sad life . I have a wife and kids to keep me happy. Have you ?

Scepticus, if you want Mr J to own up for lying then you obviously know what he lied about and when he lied.

Please tell us what leads you to believe he is a liar.

I'm sure you will fail once again and blame someone else for your reckless talk.
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: scepticus on February 10, 2019, 08:38:04 PM
Micky P !

Ken KNOWS ask him .
"I have got no personal issues with the three antagonists. I would like to see Scepticus active on the forum again and I give my word that I will not respond harshly to him again."
You have consistently rubbished the 9 Block idea so YOUR WORD is worth  ZERO  !


which " lie "was that ken ?

HaHaHaHa, misdirection. Post the lie. Its an easy request from me. We are all waiting for you sunshine.

I am WAITING....
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: MickyP on February 10, 2019, 08:46:04 PM
I thought you might use that line. The 9 blocks are what they are, Non effective in profiting from roulette.  Am I being harsh by posting my findings on your system? Would you like me to tone down the truth?
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: scepticus on February 10, 2019, 08:46:42 PM
Mickyboy
You claimed that income from roulette was your ONLY INCOME. That makes you  a Roulette Professional .
If it walks like a Duck and Quacks like a Duck- then it IS a Duck .

You  can't Duck that  :D   
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: mr j on February 10, 2019, 08:48:25 PM
"Ken KNOWS ask him" >> Ummm, no, Ken does not know. 
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: scepticus on February 10, 2019, 08:49:44 PM
I thought you might use that line. The 9 blocks are what they are, Non effective in profiting from roulette.  Am I being harsh by posting my findings on your system? Would you like me to tone down the truth?
solaris found different so he is NOT telling the truth ?
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: MickyP on February 10, 2019, 08:59:19 PM
Mickyboy
You claimed that income from roulette was your ONLY INCOME. That makes you  a Roulette Professional .
If it walks like a Duck and Quacks like a Duck- then it IS a Duck .

You  can't Duck that  :D

How I make a living from roulette is not rocket science. I simply manage my play like a business. You should look into this but I must warn you it requires discipline. This does not make me a professional roulette player, only a good businessman.  8)

Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: scepticus on February 10, 2019, 09:01:37 PM
"Ken KNOWS ask him" >> Ummm, no, Ken does not know.
In discussion with Real/ The General etc.

" Scepticus has taken the lead over MickyP in regards to arguing and thinking he has multiple HGs. He would fit in great at RF.

 He reminds me of Notto. You should go back to R30 under a new name. (lol) You would NOT be bored there."

oops  !
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: mr j on February 10, 2019, 09:03:36 PM
What part is the lie?
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: MickyP on February 10, 2019, 09:06:46 PM
I thought you might use that line. The 9 blocks are what they are, Non effective in profiting from roulette.  Am I being harsh by posting my findings on your system? Would you like me to tone down the truth?
solaris found different so he is NOT telling the truth ?

His tests do not reflect a profitable approach on a B/M tables. I don't do the online thing and I would not be able to make a living using your 9 blocks. Our truths differ.
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: scepticus on February 10, 2019, 09:10:48 PM
Your argumnet was that the 9 block was USELESS .- a coin toss and NOW you change  that to - It  is not
a profitable method  LOL-- ROFL  !
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: scepticus on February 10, 2019, 09:17:28 PM
What part is the lie?
   Ken

" thinking he has multiple HGs. He would fit in great at RF. "
I have never claimed to have ONE HG never mind multiple HGs.  So ipso facto You LIED  !
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: MickyP on February 10, 2019, 09:18:15 PM
Your argumnet was that the 9 block was USELESS .- a coin toss and NOW you change  that to - It  is not
a profitable method  LOL-- ROFL  !

If it can't show a profit on B/M tables it's useless. It's a coin flip system and you know it that's why you chickened out of the challenge with MrPerfect.

PS I used the word approach not method.
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: scepticus on February 10, 2019, 09:38:03 PM
Your argumnet was that the 9 block was USELESS .- a coin toss and NOW you change  that to - It  is not
a profitable method  LOL-- ROFL  !

If it can't show a profit on B/M tables it's useless. It's a coin flip system and you know it that's why you chickened out of the challenge with MrPerfect.

PS I used the word approach not method.
I have already said that I profit in A B&M CASINO !

You previously  claimed that I chickened out of MY challenge with Mr Perfect and NOW you change that. to " The challenge WITH Mr Perfect ! LOL

 Where is the proof that I chickened out of MY challenge to Mr Perfect ?
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: MickyP on February 11, 2019, 01:51:53 AM
Yes Scepticus you would profit from time to time because you have about 50% chance of being right. With a coin flip the results will be about that too. You will win from time to time and when you do then you can post those results to prove I'm wrong...lol.

I'll find the thread with your Challenge to refresh your memory.
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: mr j on February 11, 2019, 02:45:26 AM
I did post this before. I'm sure nobody bookmarked it. We have air ball here. The computer launches the ball WHEN/WHERE it needs to. Thats the important part. I did an experiment at 5am because I did not want other players playing at the same time.  It might of screwed up my results. $10 units, 8 numbers, 50 total spins. A total of 4K needed. I THINK these were my stats, it was a few years ago but the end result is the same.

00 wheel. I bet my 8 numbers spaced out but only on ONE side of the wheel >> 28 30 20 5 15 36 2 1.
Anyways, I took a huge loss. Something like 37/50 spins were on the opposite side of the wheel. Did I get some wins? Well of course. Point being, its odd how that happened. Coincidence? Maybe. Also, some of those machines have a brake on it, kinda like a car brake. I have seen the brake applied *BEFORE* the ball was in the pocket.

Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: petespin on February 11, 2019, 07:19:52 AM
Mrj if u play at this fashion on a irballs u almost have no hope , I 've seen guys play beside me bet that way , u have to follow different tactic at those machines.
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: GIAJJENNO on February 11, 2019, 07:32:58 AM
Mrj if u play at this fashion on a irballs u almost have no hope , I 've seen guys play beside me bet that way , u have to follow different tactic at those machines.

And what tactic you can follow on airball machines?
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: mr j on February 11, 2019, 02:44:11 PM
Mrj if u play at this fashion on a irballs u almost have no hope , I 've seen guys play beside me bet that way , u have to follow different tactic at those machines.

Ummmm, no s**t. I said it was an experiment. To SEE if the launch spots were as such so the ball rarely hits in MY AREA and I got the answer.
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: petespin on February 11, 2019, 04:02:29 PM
I don't for what experiments u re talking about but playing e same area numbers is suicidical , u simply give the machine to beat u! No smart at all ! Giajjeno its common sense what s the best way to play at those machines . I can't answer specifically simply Becoz there are many different types ,a system could work in one could not in another .for example there were some machines in Netherlands long ago which it was easy to beat playing only 1 number, from all players the same number! it's hard to me to explain how it worked and it doesn't really matter , but its just an example ad how the things going !
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: petespin on February 11, 2019, 04:18:10 PM
Believe it or not  my bet selection (hg??) Is adjusted to beat ALL those machines , and no one can stop it !
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: mr j on February 11, 2019, 06:16:12 PM
Could someone help me please?
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: petespin on February 11, 2019, 06:32:08 PM
Hey Mr j or Ken or whatever they call u u re perhaps older than me but your iq is much smaller than mine , I can play with your mind ..u can not !  P.s. pls take it for granted!
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: MrPerfect. on February 11, 2019, 07:12:53 PM
Could someone help me please?
If you are looking help to make sense of what people say on roulette forum... stop now. There is no much sense to be found. We maybe will be able to help selected few, all other will become statistics. 
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: MickyP on February 11, 2019, 07:55:40 PM
Hey Mr j or Ken or whatever they call u u re perhaps older than me but your iq is much smaller than mine , I can play with your mind ..u can not !  P.s. pls take it for granted!

Wow!!!! You sound like the result of a liberal breeding program. God help us all.....

Believe it or not  my bet selection (hg??) Is adjusted to beat ALL those machines , and no one can stop it !

Maybe your Guru will be able to explain your unicorn approach. (RoFL).
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: petespin on February 11, 2019, 08:06:50 PM
On the other forum (cc) they banned me becozvi call someone "idiot" I 'll not do the same mistake here , but silliness is a disease without any therapy !
Title: Re: How and why casino's would cheat using airball roulette
Post by: MickyP on February 11, 2019, 08:17:04 PM
I agree Petespin; 100%. That's why no therapy was suggested for you.